Russia, China block bid by Western powers to impose UN sanctions on Syria

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Here is the real deal...

The US does not need the UN to install a sanction regime on Syria.

When you go the UN, you are seeking group approval. You want as much and as great assurance as possible that your cause, be it an economic sanction regime or delivering food to starving people, is just and deserving of participation by as many as possible.

If you fail to convince and regardless of that failure, if in your mind you still feel your cause is just, you can proceed on whatever path you chose. Group approval and participation have benefits. You can share the burden of execution, for example. You can dilute the blame if something goes wrong.

US can go alone to install sanction without UN, if US make UN irrelevant than US will be irrelevant...simple as that

 

[帅的一匹]

Here is the real deal...

The US does not need the UN to install a sanction regime on Syria.

When you go the UN, you are seeking group approval. You want as much and as great assurance as possible that your cause, be it an economic sanction regime or delivering food to starving people, is just and deserving of participation by as many as possible.

If you fail to convince and regardless of that failure, if in your mind you still feel your cause is just, you can proceed on whatever path you chose. Group approval and participation have benefits. You can share the burden of execution, for example. You can dilute the blame if something goes wrong.

That's why you are hegemony. When your president make oath when he put his hands on bible, he did make oath to Lucifer. We all know what America government is! Killing people and slander people! Now Russia and China will rise to fight.

 

[Star Expedition]

If Syria falls, the world will collapse.

 

[gambit]

US can go alone to install sanction without UN, if US make UN irrelevant than US will be irrelevant...simple as that

Wrong. If somehow the UN become irrelevant, the US will become the most relevant country in the world. If the US exit the UN, the UN will collapse. Neither Russia nor China will fund it. And just because the US left the UN, that does not mean we cannot create and/or enter another alliance.

Something like this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_of_Democracies

There is nothing in the UN that we -- this alliance of democracies -- cannot do, and most likely even better. We do not have to worry about any member working to undermine goals, such as how the UN is today. We can trade among ourselves and with those outside the alliance. Currently, the UN have no armed branch of its own, but in this alliance of democracies, because this is an ideological alliance, mutual defense is even more important, making us stronger as individuals and as a collective. No one will be able to challenge us, not even China.

 

[TaiShang]

A terrorist-abetting regime that, according to President Trump, helped establish ISIS, is always a terrorist-abetting regime. Even Trump cannot contain it.

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CIA-Linked Jihadists Take Credit For Damascus Bomb Attacks as Washington Runs For Cover

On Friday, Washington labeled a jihadist coalition with ties to the CIA as a terrorist organization. Hours later, the jihadist group attacked Damascus

Matthew Allen

A "moderate" bombing — just as we suspected

"A Syrian alliance of jihadist groups known as Hayat Tahrir al-Sham said on Sunday it was responsible for a double suicide bomb attack in the capital Damascus that killed dozens of people," according to Reuters.

Hayat Tahrir al-Sham? Where have we seen this name before?

Hours before the Damascus bomb blasts, the State Department made a quick, not-very-publicized announcement:

On Friday, the United States officially declared the newly formed Hayyat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) a terrorist group in a written statement. The jihadist coalition consists of Jabhat al-Nusra and some opposition groups that formerly enjoyed US support, including Harakat Nour Al-Din Al-Zenki.

This terrorist designation comes as a major blow to the armed Syrian Opposition as Hayyat Tahrir Al-Sham is considered the single largest rebel faction in all of Syria.

It looks like we called it back on Saturday when news broke of the attacks: These were "moderate" bomb blasts.

It also looks like Robert Fisk was right:

As we've pointed out previously, despite several "re-brandings", al-Nusra has never been able to hide the fact that it has received direct and indirect support from the CIA.

By the way, here's how Reuters ends its report on Sunday's Damascus bomb attacks:

Hayat Tahrir al-Sham was created from a merger of Jabhat Fateh al-Sham - formerly al Qaeda's Nusra Front - and several other groups. The jihadist alliance, which is not linked to Islamic State, includes some of the most hardline rebel elements fighting Assad.


See? They're not CIA-linked terrorists. They're "hardline rebels".

It's a good thing Washington distanced itself from these "hardline [CIA-linked] rebels" — and just one day before they blew up Damascus. Excellent timing.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Wrong. If somehow the UN become irrelevant, the US will become the most relevant country in the world. If the US exit the UN, the UN will collapse. Neither Russia nor China will fund it. And just because the US left the UN, that does not mean we cannot create and/or enter another alliance.

Something like this....

UN was western primary geo-political tool to policing the world and to make them as legitimate invaders because it's approved by UN. US was the first to use UN to create an UN army for Korea war, If US think to be relevant without UN, why it wants to use UN's name to sanction Syria ?, it could just go alone with sanction. After Irak fiasco about WMD, all nations around the world see US as world dictator and Illegitimate invader that unilaterally declare war without UN approval, therefore US didn't want to go alone again...so you tell me if US is relevant without UN?

 

[TruthHurtz]

Wrong. If somehow the UN become irrelevant, the US will become the most relevant country in the world. If the US exit the UN, the UN will collapse. Neither Russia nor China will fund it. And just because the US left the UN, that does not mean we cannot create and/or enter another alliance.

Something like this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_of_Democracies

There is nothing in the UN that we -- this alliance of democracies -- cannot do, and most likely even better. We do not have to worry about any member working to undermine goals, such as how the UN is today. We can trade among ourselves and with those outside the alliance. Currently, the UN have no armed branch of its own, but in this alliance of democracies, because this is an ideological alliance, mutual defense is even more important, making us stronger as individuals and as a collective. No one will be able to challenge us, not even China.

wrong, china will be able to pimpslap your pathetic alliance, lol will this "alliance" be run by women like most democracies are?

can't wait until the us is wiped off the face of the earth tbh

 

[gambit]

UN was western primary geo-political tool to policing the world and to make them as legitimate invaders because it's approved by UN. US was the first to use UN to create an UN army for Korea war, If US think to be relevant without UN, why it wants to use UN's name to sanction Syria ?, it could just go alone with sanction. After Irak fiasco about WMD, all nations around the world see US as world dictator and Illegitimate invader that unilaterally declare war without UN approval, therefore US didn't want to go alone again...so you tell me if US is relevant without UN?

The UN was created in the hope that everybody would use this platform to settle inter-states disputes, hopefully peaceably whenever possible. It was an idealistic dream. If any inter-state dispute must resort to war, it was also hoped that the UN would act as a barrier for that war to become as atrocious as WW II.

In both hopes, the UN failed. Iraq's WMD ? What about the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait ?

In the Iraq's WMD situation, you speak as if the US acted brashly when in fact, we acted under UN direction for 10 yrs. For starter, did you know that the Iraq WMD inspection teams must be led by non-US personnel ? If you did not know this little fact, what major facts are you ignorant about the issue ?

As for the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, where was the UN before the invasion ?

Your China was passive throughout. So passive that China might as well be useless in helping settle inter-states disputes as originally hoped for. The only thing your China is good at is criticizing US. If your China is so useless in helping to settle disputes, set an example and leave the UN.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

The UN was created in the hope that everybody would use this platform to settle inter-states disputes, hopefully peaceably whenever possible. It was an idealistic dream. If any inter-state dispute must resort to war, it was also hoped that the UN would act as a barrier for that war to become as atrocious as WW II.

In both hopes, the UN failed. Iraq's WMD ? What about the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait ?

In the Iraq's WMD situation, you speak as if the US acted brashly when in fact, we acted under UN direction for 10 yrs. For starter, did you know that the Iraq WMD inspection teams must be led by non-US personnel ? If you did not know this little fact, what major facts are you ignorant about the issue ?

As for the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, where was the UN before the invasion ?

Your China was passive throughout. So passive that China might as well be useless in helping settle inter-states disputes as originally hoped for. The only thing your China is good at is criticizing US. If your China is so useless in helping to settle disputes, set an example and leave the UN.

Don't Bullshit about western idealistic dream of UN, Western toke part and make wars more than entire world combined especially US, US used UN name to interfere and make the local conflict worst, it's never American's intention to have a peace world but to stir up conflict so they can jump in to rip off these conflictual nations such as sell arm, exploited the weakness and extract concessions out of them.

And what you mean China is passive? of course China is helping to settle inter-states dispute by veto US from dictate and abusively use UN as false pretend to make matter worst in the dispute, therefore we got appreciation around the world, we dare to stand where coward not, in contrary China is very relevant in UN thanks to US hence China will stay and sit on the permanent UN chair.

 

[maximuswarrior]

US can go alone to install sanction without UN, if US make UN irrelevant than US will be irrelevant...simple as that

LOL under Trump the US is already irrelevant. Nowadays the US is only good at taking jibes at world leaders in the White House. Remember Trump also promised a more isolationist America. That by default makes America more irrelevant on the world stage.

 

[gambit]

Don't Bullshit about western idealistic dream of UN,...

Worked better than Marxist version that your China peddled overseas for decades despite being an utter failure at home.

 

[ahtan_china]

Worked better than Marxist version that your China peddled overseas for decades despite being an utter failure at home.

LOL, The Marxist is come from Germany. Now China doesn't peddle the China system, Just make business. But the USA like to peddles the color revolution.