Russia and Iran discuss ‘oil for power plants’ deal

[Hack-Hook]

Are you being a cretin on purpose? I just showed you that they don't have enough with solid facts and figures. They can have as much as the whole world, but you have to look at their energy needs and infrastructure. Their demand is INSANE and they have already built the hydrocarbon/coal plants. More than 90% of their demand in met with hydrocarbon and coal. At some point it becomes inefficient to keep burning. Iran is nowhere near that point. For Iran, it makes more sense to build the cheap and proven than to go hyper expensive and sanction ridden route.

You don't even need to punch the numbers in to understand. You need half a brain and a shred of common sense to understand that if electricity is the problem, one or two reactors/25 years with an insane price tag and a bucket of sanctions as seasoning isn't the answer. If you see China building reactors it's because they are the number 1 consumer of energy on the planet and they've already exhausted other options. On top of that they build these reactors at a per unit cost that's 1/7th to 1/10th of what you pay and they don't get sanctioned either. They also have cheaper maintenance costs and they can recoup their costs by selling reactors to 3rd world countries at a margin. Apples to apples, oranges to oranges.

why you don't understand we produce more than 90percent of our electricity with Hydrocarbons , there is no river in remained that we can construct a Dam on it , we are building Solar and wind power-planet but they are not enough , why we must deprive ourselves from nuclear energy ?
and the fact is that We at most can rely on our oil for only 15 years how hard its for you to understand .

 

[SOHEIL]

why you don't understand we produce more than 90percent of our electricity with Hydrocarbons , there is no river in remained that we can construct a Dam on it , we are building Solar and wind power-planet but they are not enough , why we must deprive ourselves from nuclear energy ?
and the fact is that We at most can rely on our oil for only 15 years how hard its for you to understand .

So hard !!!

 

[Abii]

why you don't understand we produce more than 90percent of our electricity with Hydrocarbons , there is no river in remained that we can construct a Dam on it , we are building Solar and wind power-planet but they are not enough , why we must deprive ourselves from nuclear energy ?
and the fact is that We at most can rely on our oil for only 15 years how hard its for you to understand .

Holy shit dude, how thick are you? Iran and USA ARE NOT THE SAME. Just to make this stick for you let's compare Iran's TOTAL output to USA's renewable energy output alone (emphasis on renewable):

Iran's total output: 200 TWH

USA's renewable energy output alone: 513.4 TWH <<< that's just from wind, solar, hydro etc...

USA is a hungry beast, you're an ant. Iran has roughly 20% of the planet's natural gas, but it's only 3rd in consumption behind USA and Russia. Meanwhile you're trying to build reactors at a rate of 1 per quarter century at the cost of sanctions, getting ripped off, destroying the country politically and economically and losing hundreds of billions of dollars in direct, indirect and opportunity cost.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

Let's recap. USA is a hungry beast, you're an ant. They have done EVERYTHING, you've done nothing. They have no options, you have multiple options. They build reactors at 1/7th to 1/10th of the price you pay and get more and delivery time is faster too. You pay 10 times more, get sanctioned and barely get a unit built in 3 decades. You have 20% of the planet's gas, but are only third in consumption.

I can't chew this down anymore. I'm arguing economics, you're trying to drill akhoond logic into this discussion.

Right now the world doesn't want you to have reactors and they will make it as difficult as possible for you to get them. This means they're 10 times costlier to you initially then they are to others. On top of that you can't build them on your own which means you pretty much get one off the ground every 3 decades. Meanwhile cheap natural gas is sitting there not being used. Iran needs to be the world's number one consumer when the country has 20% of the world's reserves. Does that make sense to you? If it doesn't then I have to tap out. I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[The SC]

What rip offs are you people talking about? first the Busher reactor was built on an unfinished German reactor, that was the rip off!
Second it did cost 1.5 billion $ and took less tan 6 years to make. Iran went for the safest possible structures capable of sustaining its earthquakes That was a whole new design for the Iranian and Russian teams. This was the first one, the following ones will be built on the same safety standards now in place, and will consequently take much less time and will cost around 1 billion per reactor, or 5 billion $ for a nuclear power plant composed of 4 nuclear rectors.
By the way the Busher nuclear reactor is fully functional a 100 % capacity. Check the news!

 

[Falcon29]

What rip offs are you people talking about? first the Busher reactor was built on an unfinished German reactor, that was the rip off!
Second it did cost 1.5 billion $ and took less tan 6 years to make. Iran went for the safest possible structures capable of sustaining its earthquakes That was a whole new design for the Iranian and Russian teams. This was the first one, the following ones will be built on the same safety standards now in place, and will consequently take a much less time an will cost around 1 billion a reactor or 5 billion $ for a nuclear power plant composed of 4 nuclear rectors.
By the way the Busher nuclear reactor is fully functional a 100 % capacity. Check the news!

You gotta appreciate the conversation between the two though.

 

[Abii]

What rip offs are you people talking about? first the Busher reactor was built on an unfinished German reactor, that was the rip off!
Second it did cost 1.5 billion $ and took less tan 6 years to make. Iran went for the safest possible structures capable of sustaining its earthquakes That was a whole new design for the Iranian and Russian teams. This was the first one, the following ones will be built on the same safety standards now in place, and will consequently take a much less time an will cost around 1 billion a reactor or 5 billion $ for a nuclear power plant composed of 4 nuclear rectors.
By the way the Busher nuclear reactor is fully functional a 100 % capacity. Check the news!

Let me educate you.

Iran expects to save 2 billion dollars a year by replacing fossil fuels with a 1000 Megawatt reactor. Russia was more than a decade behind.

- Opportunity cost: 10 times 2 billion = 20 billion dollars

It didn't cost 1.5 billion. The actual cost was closer to 5 billion dollars. They were 400% over budget.

- Direct costs: 5 billion dollars

The plant contributed massively to sanctions and hostilities.

- Indirect costs: tens of billions of dollars

Total cost for Iran: 25 to 50 billion dollars for one reactor.

 

[The SC]

You gotta appreciate the conversation between the two though.

Appreciate what hazzy? it is full of rust!

Let me educate you.

Iran expects to save 2 billion dollars a year by replacing fossil fuels with a 1000 Megawatt reactor. Russia was more than a decade behind.

- Opportunity cost: 10 times 2 billion = 20 billion dollars

It didn't cost 1.5 billion. The actual cost was closer to 5 billion dollars. They were 400% over budget.

- Direct costs: 5 billion dollars

The plant contributed massively to sanctions and hostilities.

- Indirect costs: tens of billions of dollars

Total cost for Iran: 25 to 50 billion dollars for one reactor.

Don't be so arrogant, I am talking about facts I have followed on a daily basis. The cost is at most 2 billion $. What do you take the Iranians for?
All the delays were made to try to get around the sanctions and follow the international regulations. What about the zionist country. no law, no regulations and nuclear weapons.
Can you please clearly explain your opportunity cost, direct cost and indirect cost? with facts and sources.

 

[Falcon29]

@The SC

I'm being sarcastic.

It was like those rascals planned the whole conversation.

 

[rmi5]

What rip offs are you people talking about? first the Busher reactor was built on an unfinished German reactor, that was the rip off!
Second it did cost 1.5 billion $ and took less tan 6 years to make. Iran went for the safest possible structures capable of sustaining its earthquakes That was a whole new design for the Iranian and Russian teams. This was the first one, the following ones will be built on the same safety standards now in place, and will consequently take a much less time an will cost around 1 billion a reactor or 5 billion $ for a nuclear power plant composed of 4 nuclear rectors.
By the way the Busher nuclear reactor is fully functional a 100 % capacity. Check the news!

All of your data are BS. Its cost was about 6-6.5 billion dollars, and it has not reached to 2000 mega watts capacity, its not even 1000 mega watts right now, and it is under maintenance and fully shut down about 3-4 months of a year.
It was supposed to be fully built by 1.5 billion dollars, but Russians demanded more and more and more money.
Also it took about 2 decades to be built, not 6 years!!!! and about half of it was already completed by germans.
Anyway, you are the same person who was talking about building 5th generation qaher with 2-3 million dollars unit cost and defeating F-22s with it. So, personally, I don't take you seriously.

Let me educate you.

Iran expects to save 2 billion dollars a year by replacing fossil fuels with a 1000 Megawatt reactor. Russia was more than a decade behind.

- Opportunity cost: 10 times 2 billion = 20 billion dollars

It didn't cost 1.5 billion. The actual cost was closer to 5 billion dollars. They were 400% over budget.

- Direct costs: 5 billion dollars

The plant contributed massively to sanctions and hostilities.

- Indirect costs: tens of billions of dollars

Total cost for Iran: 25 to 50 billion dollars for one reactor.

That's right. Just one correction. 5 billion dollars is what Russians demanded in addition to the initial 1-1.5 billion dollars costs.
Anyway, funny that Skandari guy was saying that Iran's hydrocarbon resources would finish in the 15 years!!! with this rate of oil and gas extraction, Iran would have enough oil for the next century.

PS. to understand if it has been a rip off or not, I am just letting you guys know that Iran could have built 8000 mega watts plus, gas power plants instead of this under 1000 mega watts chernobyl style plant with this costs.

 

[The SC]

All of your data are BS. Its cost was about 6-6.5 billion dollars, and it has not reached to 2000 mega watts capacity, its not even 1000 mega watts right now, and it is under maintenance and fully shut down about 3-4 months of a year.
It was supposed to be fully built by 1.5 billion dollars, but Russians demanded more and more and more money.
Also it took about 2 decades to be built, not 6 years!!!! and about half of it was already completed by germans.
Anyway, you are the same person who was talking about building 5th generation qaher with 2-3 million dollars unit cost and defeating F-22s with it. So, personally, I don't take you seriously.




That's right. Just one correction. 5 billion dollars is what Russians demanded in addition to the initial 1-1.5 billion dollars costs.
Anyway, funny that Skandari guy was saying that Iran's hydrocarbon resources would finish in the 15 years!!! with this rate of oil and gas extraction, Iran would have enough oil for the next century.

PS. to understand if it has been a rip off or not, I am just letting you guys know that Iran could have built 8000 mega watts plus, gas power plants instead of this under 1000 mega watts chernobyl style plant with this costs.

2000 MGW capacity!?That says it all about who is BS*iting. get you facts right and come back to discussion. I've never seen one of your post not being false or biased.
The Qaher -313 discussion was in a different context of people talking about off the shelf cheap avionics that will cost at most a 100 000$ and I have answered that in that regard adding a composite airframe and an engine it will cost 3 million dollars, and that realistically it will cost around 8 million dollars to buils a stealth cheap fighter plane in big numbers to overwhelm the F-35 or F-22 and others in the skies of the Persian gulf, using total silence and stealth mode. And I am still sustaining that.

 

[Prechko]

Don`t want to open a new thread , presidents Putin and Rouhani in Astrakhan yesterday

Rouhani got nice gift from Putin , historical shield

What says here? I can figure out only that is 17th century shield

 

[Hack-Hook]

All of your data are BS. Its cost was about 6-6.5 billion dollars, and it has not reached to 2000 mega watts capacity, its not even 1000 mega watts right now, and it is under maintenance and fully shut down about 3-4 months of a year.
It was supposed to be fully built by 1.5 billion dollars, but Russians demanded more and more and more money.
Also it took about 2 decades to be built, not 6 years!!!! and about half of it was already completed by germans.
Anyway, you are the same person who was talking about building 5th generation qaher with 2-3 million dollars unit cost and defeating F-22s with it. So, personally, I don't take you seriously.




That's right. Just one correction. 5 billion dollars is what Russians demanded in addition to the initial 1-1.5 billion dollars costs.
Anyway, funny that Skandari guy was saying that Iran's hydrocarbon resources would finish in the 15 years!!! with this rate of oil and gas extraction, Iran would have enough oil for the next century.

PS. to understand if it has been a rip off or not, I am just letting you guys know that Iran could have built 8000 mega watts plus, gas power plants instead of this under 1000 mega watts chernobyl style plant with this costs.

why not go and read my post again tovsee what I said.
Iran with its current increase rate in the oil use in domestic market will loose the capacity to export any oil in next 15 year.

And by the way therevis nothing Chernobyl's style about bushehr

 

[Abii]

why not go and read my post again tovsee what I said.
Iran with its current increase rate in the oil use in domestic market will loose the capacity to export any oil in next 15 year.

And by the way therevis nothing Chernobyl's style about bushehr

Why are you talking about oil? Oil is a non-factor here. Iran has 20% of the planet's natural gas (highest share in the world), but it ranks third in consumption. Gas fields are largely undeveloped and untapped in comparison to what is available for use.

By the time you 6th century arab wannabes decide and manage to get some of that gas out of the ground, the world has moved on to renewable energy wholesale and managed to perfect that side of the market. The Rockefellers are taking their money out of fossil fuels (as are many other investors). By the time you guys get off your arses, natural gas and oil will be worthless anyway.
Rockefellers go green: Rockefeller foundation divests funds in fossil fuel industries - Climate Change - Environment - The Independent

You spent 25-50 billion dollars on a single 1000 MW reactor that only works 9 months out of the year. You could have solved the entire region's electricity shortage problems had you invested that money on natural gas plants.

Don`t want to open a new thread , presidents Putin and Rouhani in Astrakhan yesterday

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Rouhani got nice gift from Putin , historical shield

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What says here? I can figure out only that is 17th century shield

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This is a direct translation:

Ceremonial and martial shield, early 17th century.

Ceremonial and martial shield made of bronze and gold, which belongs to a guard of Shah Abbas' military. It dates back to the Iran-Ottoman wars.

 

[Hack-Hook]

@Abii I rather send all the gases to petrochemical planet instead of burning or exporting it.
And for the information oil is Iran main hydrocarbon export not natural gas