Russia aborts T-50 PAK-FA stealth fighter takeoff

[gambit]

Gents,

Drop this discussion. The pilot, not the country call 'Russia', has authority to abort if he feels any problem is serious enough to jeopardize the test flight sortie.

 

[T90TankGuy]

Counter what ? India doesn't even have a Stealth Fighter yet !

i believe you did not get his point . but for that matter we have 7 operational squadrons of su30 now . may i ask what have you got to counter that ?

 

[Zabaniyah]

Please , let Pakistan scourge its economy to come up with $$$ to pay for the J-10s first (if thats coming) , then we can talk about J-20 and beyond.

I think those J-10s will be in PAF service soon.

 

[harpoon]

I think those J-10s will be in PAF service soon.

Probably. Chinese can be very generous with Pakistan.They can even get J-20 for free.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Why shouldn't you educate him who barely knows (this is what you told about him), instead of bashing the Indian members who are criticizing a low class post from somebody who barely knows (again, this is what you told about him)?

Learn to respect there is no armchair vengeance online and don't jump at whole Pakistan just because of a single Pakistani poster who will learn everything in time once he starts to dig information on this very forum.

Because he is a new poster I would not call his post low class rather misinformed. Yet you and your tagged senior russian member really came up with low quality posts, correction bashing started by your people learn to hold your horses until virus break out.

 

[IBRIS]

common buddys dont worry its obvious ..u know i think this 5 th generation fighter forgot a morning bathroom so thats due to hurrry and huge pressure every thing came out ..i think russian will take precausione in next flight test go bathroom first then come on the ground

What a waste of bandwidth you are some sort of creature suffering from gaining height issues. I think Russians will make sure to supply your thought of chain with some enlightenment of who your boss is in your own region, if prefer them to be as down graded as you refer them to be, once again who are we talking about here BTW...The once who feed the real life in fighter jets and your proxy state against it's enemy. Damn shame you have comprension issues in your 8th post already, Damn you silly boy.

 

[ptldM3]

Not surprised with your low class post to a junior forum member who barely knows and you then jump at the whole Pakistan.

Ironic is that not more then a single Pakistani posted regarding T-50 and you start bashing Pakistan, post ought to be branded a third class post by a tagged senior member.

You should know a thing about low class, since you go around calling the pak-fa a cheap rip off of the F-22, even worst is copying and pasting/making up random claims about 'stealth' for no other reason than to degrade the pak-fa.

And yes more than one Pakistani jumped in with 'low class posts' yet you decided to single me out. Also understand this, I never said anything about 'Pakistan' my post was aimed at the Pakistani individuals that maid the absurd claims.

Because they are scared of leaking their weakness.

You are right, that's called insecurity. T50 or Pak-Fa is not at par with real 5th Generation birds like F22 or J20, the main birds of superpower air force in the next 30 years.
But I do agree they can compete with F35, the marketable new generation jet for world countries. India, Japan, Australia and many other countries could be potential buyers.

(I don't know if Russia will still have the chance to come up with real competitor of F22 and J20 in the future, if their techs and cash reserve allow, but T50 definitely won't be the one that can challenge Americans and Chinese in the air.)

And you would know this how? The only thing we know about the J-20 is that it exists and it's black, oh I almost forgot one of the prototypes uses Russian engines--ironic.

5th gen should be "properly built" and should be using "top notch" technology to reduce the element of risk ! - this just shows the quality of work , this is it.

No it just shows that you are ignorant. The technology in today's fighters is more complex than ever before, the chances of design flaws especially in prototypes is the rule not the exception. There is a reason that between the F-22 and F-35 there had been groundings, crashes, and recalls and the reason is as I mentioned--new technology.

The 117/117S has a new FADEC and plasma ignition system amongst many other systems, it is foolish to think that something as complex as a jet engine with the latest technology much of which has never been used in previous engines will not have some glitches. Bench trials in labs tests engine performance and uncovers any faults in designs--and there is always faults, this is why it sometimes takes a decade or more to developed an engine. But because the entire world seen the pak-fa's right engine shoot flames many people especially the ignorant are jumping up and down with joy without realizing that these incidents are common in prototypes, difference being no one besides the designers ever see these flaws, in the pak-fa's case all cameras were pointed at it when it happened.

It should also be noted that between the two pak-fa's the engines and tests have been flawless up until the event at MAKS, this could possibly mean that foreign debris such as a bird, standing water, or a rock could have been sucked into the engine. The T-50-2 the one that had the flame-out was also recently disassembled, for all we know it could have been human error in engine installation, but even if anomalies such as debris and human errors can be ruled out we have to remember that the engines are still in the development stage, problems still need to be sorted out, ask your buddies, the Chinese, about engines.

 

[Luftwaffe]

ptldm3...You should know a thing about low class, since you go around calling the pak-fa a cheap rip off of the F-22, even worst is copying and pasting/making up random claims about 'stealth' for no other reason than to degrade the pak-fa.

And yes more than one Pakistani jumped in with 'low class posts' yet you decided to single me out. Also understand this, I never said anything about 'Pakistan' my post was aimed at the Pakistani individuals that maid the absurd claims.

I have never called pak-fa a rip off copy paste of complete highly sophisticated aerial weapon of choice F-22 Because there is nothing in and about pak-fa remotely that resembles F-22 at all therefore it is a baseless accusation that I ever called a non stealth pak-fa a stealth like F-22 so we are clear here for sure.

Indeed it is for now not stealth just a few edges and design parameter that happen to look like stealth does not make it stealth the complete dorsal rear and underneath design makes it un-stealthy in the first place But perhaps the finished product might be closer to stealth I'm not so hard on pak-fa.

Not more then 1 just one at the start and there you came back with your low class post. Had you ignored or referred him to other threads without blasting this thread would have been in harmony and clam you need to work on your temper.

Its made not maid

 

[mohib1970]

Who can say failor will not erase??

Failor is the pillar of success.

Russia still not easily avoidable.

At any time they can restore their instrument ready.

Its a reality.

 

[harshad]

its really funny when pakistanis call T-50 low class when they cannot produce one jet themselves (dont bring jf17,please it is co produced)
and for failing i remember f-35 crashing

 

[MZUBAIR]

With this issue, I dont think T-50 PAK-FA will be coming before 2025

 

[karan.1970]

With this issue, I dont think T-50 PAK-FA will be coming before 2025

If only wishes were horses

 

[punit]

lol so even without a proper official flight J20 ..is more advanced than PAK FA ..

 

[Windjammer]

If only wishes were horses

Horses for Courses...... the MMCA still has to make that Gallup.

 

[Kinetic]

india is again robbed by russia this time in pak fa.russian military hardware is not relaible any more dont forget its the newest jet

You are amazing!!! You do not think what you post may backfire! JF-17 'JV' between pakistan and china has Russian engine! The PAK FA powered by the best Russian engine and during initial tests such failures occurs. Russia has the best propulsion industry after US and much ahead of others.