RSS

[salimpheku]

Oh, so one out of the 4 photos I posted is "fake" & you were offended - perhaps rightly so.
Wonder where your sense of outrage is when these same people continuously malign RSS day in day out, providing fake news.

RSS has been at every national disaster actively helping people since for ever.
RSS has actively helped soldiers at the border with what ever support it could give.
RSS is running the largest school network all over India in the most inhospitable places and extremely backward areas without any govt support.

I could go on but you get the picture I think. The outrage of one "fake" photo is not found when a section of people under guise of secularism have been attacking RSS & Hindus for ever. Wonder if empathy is one way street?!

People often forget it was Sanghi Shyama Prasad who took Indian flag to Kashmir & died (killed BY Nehru) for us.

Show some sense of balance in your outrage.

Aww, another secular @Joe Shearer who gives negative rating because he does not like what he reads.
Wonder which forum rules did I break with this particular post?

You lot are like pack of cowards. Can't debate, won't debate and misuse what ever little power you lot have to make sure any opposing thought is not given space.

TYPICAL but hardly surprising.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Aww, another secular @Joe Shearer who gives negative rating because he does not like what he reads.
Wonder which forum rules did I break with this particular post?

You lot are like pack of cowards. Can't debate, won't debate and misuse what ever little power you lot have to make sure any opposing thought is not given space.

TYPICAL but hardly surprising.

I debate with my equals, or with those with open minds. Sorry, but you and the pack don't qualify.

As for the rating, I rated what I didn't think civil or warranted by the circumstances.

 

[salimpheku]

I debate with my equals, or with those with open minds. Sorry, but you and the pack don't qualify.

As for the rating, I rated what I didn't think civil or warranted by the circumstances.

The highlighted part is uncivil. It also falls under personal insults category. But then I guess with your particular leanings, you can get away with a lot of stuff here.

My reply is-
I do debate with idiots and you perfectly fit the bill & will continue to engage you if you engage me in any form. You can't just give negative rating and take umbrage behind secularism.
Coming to the rating, let me know which part of my post was NOT civil.

Regarding warranted or not, it's a matter of your prejudices determining that, not the actual substance.

For example, there is repeated attempts to malign a section of Hindus on these forums. I hardly see you giving negative ratings in these scenarios. I understand your particular leanings, so, I don't care if you don't react when that happens. Your bro @padamchen regularly equates a section of Hindus with Jihadis. I guess that's warranted in your opinion.
But I expose secular Nehru and you lot get your panties in a twist. The forum rules are clear on what's civil and what's not. Unless you are a senile, I doubt any part of my post can be classified as uncivil.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Oh, so one out of the 4 photos I posted is "fake" & you were offended

No, I'm not offended. Nehru and his life is of no interest to me.

Wonder where your sense of outrage is when these same people continuously malign RSS day in day out, providing fake news.

You stand for your politics, you are blind to the non-RSS murders, no sense of outrage. Nothing.

Other side whoever that is, blind to RSS deaths.

There is propaganda on both sides. Don't tell me RSS members don't quote these fake photos and it is reactionary.

RSS has been at every national disaster actively helping people since for ever.
RSS has actively helped soldiers at the border with what ever support it could give.
RSS is running the largest school network all over India in the most inhospitable places and extremely backward areas without any govt support.

Of course they have been. I didn't denounce that. They are as much Indian as anyone here is.

The only issue here is, you talk like only RSS cares about India. Rest others are secular and traitors.

People often forget it was Sanghi Shyama Prasad

Na, I still wonder, being a nationalist why did he wrote a letter to the British Government as to how they should respond to "Quit India" movement. In this letter, dated July 26, 1942 he wrote:

"Let me now refer to the situation that may be created in the province as a result of any widespread movement launched by the Congress. Anybody, who during the war, plans to stir up mass feeling, resulting internal disturbances or insecurity, must be resisted by any Government that may function for the time being"
Mukherjee in this letter reiterated that the Fazlul Haq-led Bengal Government, along with its alliance partner Hindu Mahasabha would make every possible effort to defeat the Quit India movement in the province of Bengal and made a concrete proposal in regard to this:

"The question is how to combat this movement (Quit India) in Bengal? The administration of the province should be carried on in such a manner that in spite of the best efforts of the Congress, this movement will fail to take root in the province. It should be possible for us, especially responsible Ministers, to be able to tell the public that the freedom for which the Congress has started the movement, already belongs to the representatives of the people. In some spheres it might be limited during the emergency. Indians have to trust the British, not for the sake for Britain, not for any advantage that the British might gain, but for the maintenance of the defense and freedom of the province itself. You, as Governor, will function as the constitutional head of the province and will be guided entirely on the advice of your Minister."

Or is this a propaganda too? I don't think he wrote this letter while in Jail like you know Savarkar.

 

[salimpheku]

No, I'm not offended. Nehru and his life is of no interest to me.



You stand for your politics, you are blind to the non-RSS murders, no sense of outrage. Nothing.

Other side whoever that is, blind to RSS deaths.

There is propaganda on both sides. Don't tell me RSS members don't quote these fake photos and it is reactionary.



Of course they have been. I didn't denounce that. They are as much Indian as anyone here is.

The only issue here is, you talk like only RSS cares about India. Rest others are secular and traitors.


Na, I still wonder, being a nationalist why did he wrote a letter to the British Government as to how they should respond to "Quit India" movement. In this letter, dated July 26, 1942 he wrote:

"Let me now refer to the situation that may be created in the province as a result of any widespread movement launched by the Congress. Anybody, who during the war, plans to stir up mass feeling, resulting internal disturbances or insecurity, must be resisted by any Government that may function for the time being"
Mukherjee in this letter reiterated that the Fazlul Haq-led Bengal Government, along with its alliance partner Hindu Mahasabha would make every possible effort to defeat the Quit India movement in the province of Bengal and made a concrete proposal in regard to this:

"The question is how to combat this movement (Quit India) in Bengal? The administration of the province should be carried on in such a manner that in spite of the best efforts of the Congress, this movement will fail to take root in the province. It should be possible for us, especially responsible Ministers, to be able to tell the public that the freedom for which the Congress has started the movement, already belongs to the representatives of the people. In some spheres it might be limited during the emergency. Indians have to trust the British, not for the sake for Britain, not for any advantage that the British might gain, but for the maintenance of the defense and freedom of the province itself. You, as Governor, will function as the constitutional head of the province and will be guided entirely on the advice of your Minister."

Or is this a propaganda too? I don't think he wrote this letter while in Jail like you know Savarkar.

You are spot on about politics in this whole matter.

And that's exactly what I am trying to show here. The context matters. The intent matters. These people vilify RSS at every opportunity for decades. Unfortunately RSS never had the same eco system these people enjoyed and hence the free run.

Regarding the letter, it has been dissected many times. I have nothing new to add. Like I said, the context & intent matters. Either one believes or one does not.

Similar to why Gandhi allowed Indians to fight for British in WW2, while NOT ALLOWING the same Indians to pick up arms for THEIR OWN FREEDOM.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Similar to why Gandhi allowed Indians to fight for British in WW2, while NOT ALLOWING the same Indians to pick up arms for THEIR OWN FREEDOM.

I don't think it's rather Gandhi's decision to make.

Many factors have resulted in our men joining the British. Gandhi might've understood that.

You are spot on about politics in this whole matter.

And that's exactly what I am trying to show here. The context matters. The intent matters. These people vilify RSS at every opportunity for decades. Unfortunately RSS never had the same eco system these people enjoyed and hence the free run.

Yeah, everything runs on politics these days. I'm living in one of the most politically polarized state.

That's not healthy.

Here the cast is not really a matter. It has replaced with politics to some extend.

Regarding the letter, it has been dissected many times. I have nothing new to add. Like I said, the context & intent matters. Either one believes or one does not.

May be you are right.

I like to think this was like cutting off the nose to spite the face.

 

[salimpheku]

I don't think it's rather Gandhi's decision to make.

Many factors have resulted in our men joining the British. Gandhi might've understood that.



Yeah, everything runs on politics these days. I'm living in one of the most politically polarized state.

That's not healthy.

Here the cast is not really a matter. It has replaced with politics to some extend.


May be you are right.

I like to think this was like cutting off the nose to spite the face.

Not true about Gandhi. there are numerous proofs where he supported the fight against Nazis. Either it was tacit support FOR British or AGAINST Nazis is open for interpretation. The context & intent is always up for debate. If RSS haters interpret savarkar's letter in one way, I am entitled to interpret Gandhi's support for Indians role in WW2, my own way.

rest of your post - I heartily agree.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Not true about Gandhi. there are numerous proofs where he supported the fight against Nazis. Either it was tacit support FOR British or AGAINST Nazis is open for interpretation. The context & intent is always up for debate. If RSS haters interpret savarkar's letter in one way, I am entitled to interpret Gandhi's support for Indians role in WW2, my own way.

Fair enough.

 

[padamchen]

No, I'm not offended. Nehru and his life is of no interest to me.



You stand for your politics, you are blind to the non-RSS murders, no sense of outrage. Nothing.

Other side whoever that is, blind to RSS deaths.

There is propaganda on both sides. Don't tell me RSS members don't quote these fake photos and it is reactionary.



Of course they have been. I didn't denounce that. They are as much Indian as anyone here is.

The only issue here is, you talk like only RSS cares about India. Rest others are secular and traitors.


Na, I still wonder, being a nationalist why did he wrote a letter to the British Government as to how they should respond to "Quit India" movement. In this letter, dated July 26, 1942 he wrote:

"Let me now refer to the situation that may be created in the province as a result of any widespread movement launched by the Congress. Anybody, who during the war, plans to stir up mass feeling, resulting internal disturbances or insecurity, must be resisted by any Government that may function for the time being"
Mukherjee in this letter reiterated that the Fazlul Haq-led Bengal Government, along with its alliance partner Hindu Mahasabha would make every possible effort to defeat the Quit India movement in the province of Bengal and made a concrete proposal in regard to this:

"The question is how to combat this movement (Quit India) in Bengal? The administration of the province should be carried on in such a manner that in spite of the best efforts of the Congress, this movement will fail to take root in the province. It should be possible for us, especially responsible Ministers, to be able to tell the public that the freedom for which the Congress has started the movement, already belongs to the representatives of the people. In some spheres it might be limited during the emergency. Indians have to trust the British, not for the sake for Britain, not for any advantage that the British might gain, but for the maintenance of the defense and freedom of the province itself. You, as Governor, will function as the constitutional head of the province and will be guided entirely on the advice of your Minister."

Or is this a propaganda too? I don't think he wrote this letter while in Jail like you know Savarkar.

Collaborators.

Hindi mein inko Desh Drohi kehte hain.

@ranjeet @Joe Shearer

Cheers, Doc

 

[ranjeet]

Collaborators.

Hindi mein inko Desh Drohi kehte hain.

@ranjeet @Joe Shearer

Cheers, Doc

Could you please elaborate on role of Nehru in Azad's encounter?

A fine piece from a non sanghi source. If you want me to paste the whole article kindly do mention.
http://www.dailyo.in/politics/chand...r-patel-subhas-chandra-bose/story/1/9233.html

 

[salimpheku]

Collaborators.

Hindi mein inko Desh Drohi kehte hain.

@ranjeet @Joe Shearer

Cheers, Doc

And what about people who asked not to pick up arms to fight British
BUT
asked the same Indians to pick up arms and defend British in WW2?

What's your opinion of these people?

 

[Gadkari]

@salimpheku Lol man why spread fake photos.

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Last time it was Gandhi with this

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The irony when you post fake images (The nehru one). Calling out at others.

The real Irony is when you deny the Sexual depredation of a man who DIED of a S-e-xually Transmitted disease called Syphilis.


Are all of these images of Nehru "suffering" fake too ?

This is the same man who people claim is GANDHIAN ? A follower of Gandhi who advocated s-e-xual restraint even within marriage ?

Collaborators.

Hindi mein inko Desh Drohi kehte hain.

@ranjeet @Joe Shearer

Cheers, Doc

Collaborators is a Nice term, especially for a man who became Sergeant Major Gandhi in the White mans army.

Could you please elaborate on role of Nehru in Azad's encounter?

A fine piece from a non sanghi source. If you want me to paste the whole article kindly do mention.
http://www.dailyo.in/politics/chand...r-patel-subhas-chandra-bose/story/1/9233.html

You forgot to ask him about Nehru's role in asking the British PM to take care of the "Netaji Subash Chandra Bose" problem after Stalin wrote to him.


Meanwhile talking about "collaborators", there is some interesting Facts,

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ish-documents-reveal/articleshow/44931972.cms

..........an "old friend" of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru and a former Indian ambassador, A C N Nambiar, has been described as a Soviet spy.


....A note in the files by V W Smith implies Nambiar's close association with Nehru, saying: "one may hazard the conjecture that the 'very prominent person' referred to be Nambiar is Pandit Nehru, who undoubtedly knows the full facts".

It goes on to say that his appointment as an Indian diplomat made him "indebted to his old friend Pandit Nehru".

 

[Chhatrapati]

The real Irony is when you deny the Sexual depredation of a man who DIED of a S-e-xually Transmitted disease called Syphilis.


Are all of these images of Nehru "suffering" fake too ?

There comes the ragtag comments. Like I said, I'm no fan of Nehru.

I only disagreed with the fact that, there are fake photos in it. Nehru had his cringe worthy moments.

 

[Gadkari]

There comes the ragtag comments. Like I said, I'm no fan of Nehru.

I only disagreed with the fact that, there are fake photos in it. Nehru had his cringe worthy moments.

LOL...... you are no fan of "Nehru" since you are a muslim, only a fan of "Nehruvian secularism"

A defective philosophy by a hugely defective man.

 

[padamchen]

LOL...... you are no fan of "Nehru" since you are a muslim, only a fan of "Nehruvian secularism"

A defective philosophy by a hugely defective man.

Whats wrong with liking chicks?

Are you gay? Be honest. Nobody knows who you are here.

@I.R.A could you tag that Karachi friend of yours here please?

Cheers, Doc