Rs 25,000 cr tender issued for building LPDs'

[Malik Alashter]

Indian friends how much dollars per 1 crore.

 

[sancho]

Indian friends how much dollars per 1 crore.

I often have the same problem, but this helps:

Crores to Millions Calculator

 

[Manindra]

That rotor-folding issue-The very design of the ALH with its hingeless-rotor blades- means is going to make this untenable unfortunately. And this is also why the chances of seeing the RUDRA and even LCH on IN warships is unlikely as they have identically designed blades.

Its not design cause. ALH rotor would be fold manually but IN wants hydraulics assisted folding which cause more than 100 Kg weight penalty.
Other issues are its range & landing gear.

 

[kaykay]

Indian friends how much dollars per 1 crore.

well at present exchange rate 6200 crores equals to $1 Billion. So 25000 crores means roughly $4 Billions at present rates.

 

[GURU DUTT]

well it the budget is 4 Billion US $s why not buy a few surplus US made LPDs im sure we will get them for 100 million US dollars each and buy 4-6 of them (2 each for one CBG) and reengine and add a few US made radar & Sam sysytem among other godies im sure for 4 billion we can easily have 6 US Made LPDs with all the latest goodies + ASW,AWAC, SR a few attack helicopters

 

[kaykay]

In my Opinion $4 Billion for just 4 LPDs is way more expensive. Or may be its for LPD+LCUs+ helis it'll carry+ weapon systems etc. @Abingdonboy @sancho any Idea??

 

[fsayed]

Spanish ship Juan Carlos I (L61) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia number 1 and best in this class india must go for this

Name:Juan Carlos I
Namesake:King Juan Carlos I of Spain
Ordered:5 September 2003
Builder:Navantia
Cost:€462 million[1] (~US$600 million)
Laid down:May 2005
Launched:22 September 2009[2]
Sponsored by:Queen Sofia of Spain
Commissioned:30 September 2010[3]
Homeport:Naval Station Rota, Rota[4]
Identification:Pennant number: L61
Status:Active as of 2011
General characteristics
Class & type:Juan Carlos I class amphibious assault ship
Displacement:27,079 tonnes (24'560 as a.c.c.)
Length:230.82 m (757.3 ft)[5]
Beam:32 m (105 ft)
Draught:6.9 m (23 ft)[5]
Propulsion:2 x 11 Mw POD
Speed:21 knots (39 km/h; 24 mph)
Range:9,000 nautical miles (17,000 km; 10,000 mi) at 15 knots (28 km/h; 17 mph)
Boats & landing
craft carried:Four LCM-1E
Capacity:913 soldiers + up to 46 Leopard 2tanks
Complement:Ship's company: 243
Air wing: 172
Armament:4 x 20 mm guns
4x 12.7 mm machine guns
Aircraft carried:AV-8B Harrier II, F-35 (planned), CH-47, Sea King, NH-90.

 

[Dash]

I remember the tonnage to be at 30000 to 35000, if I am not wrong...

 

[sudhir007]

may be go for Izumo-class helicopter destroyer

Izumo-class helicopter destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[sancho]

In my Opinion $4 Billion for just 4 LPDs is way more expensive. Or may be its for LPD+LCUs+ helis it'll carry+ weapon systems etc. @Abingdonboy @sancho any Idea??

That's the total budget, but depending on which LDP or LHD we are talking, it might be too much or even too less. San Antonio class LDPs costs between $1.5 and 2 Billions each, not included development or licence production costs, so is basically out of question, if it was ever considered anyway.
The Russians are buying 4 x Mistral class LHDs with licence production costs for around $3,2 billions ($800 millions per unit), the Australian navy get versions of the Juan Carlos class LHD for around $900 million per unit (but that version would be too big for INs requirement, since the RFP limits the lenght to up to 200m, with the Galica class LDP most likely to be the more suitable and cost-effective solution from Spain.

may be go for Izumo-class helicopter destroyer

Not possible, once because of the law restrictions about Japanese arms for exports, but also because that is an helicopter carrier without a well deck to operate amphibious vehicles.

 

[kaykay]

That's the total budget, but depending on which LDP or LHD we are talking, it might be too much or even too less. San Antonio class LDPs costs between $1.5 and 2 Billions each, not included development or licence production costs, so is basically out of question, if it was ever considered anyway.
The Russians are buying 4 x Mistral class LHDs with licence production costs for around $3,2 billions ($800 millions per unit), the Australian navy get versions of the Juan Carlos class LHD for around $900 million per unit (but that version would be too big for INs requirement, since the RFP limits the lenght to up to 200m, with the Galica class LDP most likely to be the more suitable and cost-effective solution from Spain.



Not possible, once because of the law restrictions about Japanese arms for exports, but also because that is an helicopter carrier without a well deck to operate amphibious vehicles.

Exactly. Buying something like Juan Carlos or even Mistral won't make sense as we'll have 3 active CBGs by then so even small or less capable LPDs will do the job for us. What about Dokdo class LPD?? I guess that's also cheaper than most of the contenders with moderate capabilities.

 

[sancho]

Exactly. Buying something like Juan Carlos or even Mistral won't make sense as we'll have 3 active CBGs by then so even small or less capable LPDs will do the job for us. What about Dokdo class LPD?? I guess that's also cheaper than most of the contenders with moderate capabilities.

That's not correct, take our current fleet for example in a disaster relief mission. INS Viraat would be used as an helicopter carrier, to transport larger ammounts of troops or cargo via helicopters. At the same time, INS Jalashwa would be needed for the amphibious operations, to transport vehicles or heavy cargo to the shores. An LHD however can do both and that obviously at lower costs.
However, I'm with you on the point, that having LDPs which are useful only in very limited missions and would basically be at the base most of the time is a waste of money. Especially by the fact that IN hardly has an operational requirement for amphibious operations, which makes the need of 4 x LDPs/LHDs build under licence questionable. Buying 2 of them, build by a foreign ship yard would be more than enough, or directly go for a higher numer of joint support ships, which can be used in different roles, like refuelling or rearming too. Using less numbers of ships in more roles, makes it operationally far more cost-effective!
Dokdo class LHDs btw would be a possibility too, IF IN wants LHDs and not LDPs like the RFP seems to suggest. But as I said earlier, they still might have to decide what they really want, so wait and see.

 

[Abingdonboy]

In my Opinion $4 Billion for just 4 LPDs is way more expensive. Or may be its for LPD+LCUs+ helis it'll carry+ weapon systems etc. @Abingdonboy @sancho any Idea??

The air wing costs aren't factored in but the costs of weapon systems and LCU/LCACs are more.

 

[Rainmaker]

this got another LCA written all over it.

 

[sancho]

The air wing costs aren't factored in but the costs of weapon systems and LCU/LCACs are more.

Weapons yes, LCUs... are not, since we already ordered them from an Indian shipyard under a seperate deal, not to mention that the kind of vessel (LCU or LCAC) would make a big cost difference too, so that can't be considered together.