Royally big mistake: Queen's representative quits after offensive comments about Pakistani community

[somebozo]

Indian behaving..like and Indian...he forgot that UK isnt toilet media~!

 

[war&peace]

He already did. He is the one who revived the thread with post #25. Speaking of Indians any opportunity they get, they never refrain from taking a dig at Pakistani's and obviously this one fired back.....

They are our relentless enemies and they don't let any opportunity slip from their hands especially under the murderer.

 

[Nilgiri]

Also, pretty hypocritical on your part, Indians in the UK aren't any more 'integrated' than us.

Well Indians are certainly doing a lot better than some.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...by-ethnicity-tax-years-19941995-to-20122013uk

http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml

More specifically, the proportion of people who live in low-income households is:

• 20% for White people.
• 30% for Indians and Black Caribbeans.
• 50% for Black Africans.
• 60% for Pakistanis.
• 70% for Bangladeshis.

So Indians in UK on average earn more than 50% of their Pakistani counterparts and are half as likely to be "low income".

But hey if you want to believe you are just as "integrated" as us...you are free to believe so....it will just confirm the education metrics of the UK ethnicities which one can find easily too

Posting one or two pictures and examples of "integrated" Pakistanis does not prove anything regarding the community as a whole.

 

[Anubis]

Well Indians are certainly doing a lot better than some.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...by-ethnicity-tax-years-19941995-to-20122013uk

http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml


So Indians in UK on average earn more than 50% of their Pakistani counterparts and are half as likely to be "low income".

But hey if you want to believe you are just as "integrated" as us...you are free to believe so....it will just confirm the education metrics of the UK ethnicities which one can find easily too

Posting one or two pictures and examples of "integrated" Pakistanis does not prove anything regarding the community as a whole.

German Americans are richer than African Americans....please educated me how German Americans are more integrated than African Americans.

 

[SQ8]

He's partially not wrong. One has to go into certain Pakistani communities in the UK to know exactly what he means.

 

[Blue Marlin]

He's partially not wrong. One has to go into certain Pakistani communities in the UK to know exactly what he means.

im guessing you have come to the uk so i would assume you have been to either bradford, tower hamlets (london) and parts of birmingham? am i right?

 

[Nilgiri]

German Americans are richer than African Americans....please educated me how German Americans are more integrated than African Americans.

Depends how you define "integrated". If you put some metrics out there that mean integration to you, lets see them and check the data (intermarriage, perception of community, education, house ownership, crime rate, community involvement etc..on top of what I did with wealth, income and poverty ). Choose what you mean and lets start from there.

And yes many people in the US feel the African American community still has problems integrating. Have you been to the ghettos in the South and Urban cities? Its when African Americans manage to fix their education, crime rate and thus their income, employment and wealth generation that they become integrated better....same goes for any community anywhere. It is the prevalence of this reality and addressing the reality that determines how integrated a community is and is becoming among its peers.

 

[SQ8]

im guessing you have come to the uk so i would assume you have been to either bradford, tower hamlets (london) and parts of birmingham? am i right?

I have stayed for a year and a half; and yes.

 

[Blue Marlin]

I have stayed for a year and a half; and yes.

yeah not suprised i used to live in preston and it not only pakistanis buta mixture of both pakistanis and indians. i would say half of them are well intrgrated and the other half are not. but day by day they are intrgating in larger number . local town have had pakistani mayors and councillors and mp's. most notible being sadiq khan london mayor and sajid javid bussiess secutary and pssible pm now that david is stepping down. mind you i would rather have him then bojo.

Well Indians are certainly doing a lot better than some.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...by-ethnicity-tax-years-19941995-to-20122013uk

http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml


So Indians in UK on average earn more than 50% of their Pakistani counterparts and are half as likely to be "low income".

But hey if you want to believe you are just as "integrated" as us...you are free to believe so....it will just confirm the education metrics of the UK ethnicities which one can find easily too

Posting one or two pictures and examples of "integrated" Pakistanis does not prove anything regarding the community as a whole.

most of them have "naughty" accounts abroad. you can go to the market and walk into a 50 year old pakistani man wearing standard clothing and driving a toyota and you will never know he lives in a house worth about a million+

 

[Anubis]

Depends how you define "integrated". If you put some metrics out there that mean integration to you, lets see them and check the data (intermarriage, perception of community, education, house ownership, crime rate, community involvement etc). Choose what you mean and lets start from there.

And yes many people in the US feel the African American community still has problems integrating. Have you been to the ghettos in the South and Urban cities? Its when African Americans manage to fix their education, crime rate and thus their income, employment and wealth generation that they become integrated better....same goes for any community anywhere. It is the prevalence of this reality and addressing the reality that determines how integrated a community is and is becoming among its peers.

I used to live in the heart of Black America...Atlanta....African American culture defines American culture...Food,Music,Fashion and most of modern American History is African American...integration has nothing to do with wealth generation or crime rates...Italians became the face of 30s-50s America when they were poor and mostly crime ridden...and the crime rates of Black America is fucked up because of the drug war and institutionalized racism...your skewed view of America is probably from watching American politics(where African Americans are under represented) or from film depiction of American metropolises....Indians are the richest community in America....and the general perception of Indians are still funny accents and bobbley heads(if they are being honest) or spices and colors(if they are being nice not to heart your feelings). The most overt show of integration is cultural integration...and as communities neither Indians nor Pakistanis will be integrated to either British or American culture(although it is debatable what American culture is) in the next 100 years...because out of all other Asian communities here South Asian families are least likely to accept a person from a different skin color(let alone culture race or dare I say it...religion) in their household as a family member or even a friend ....Jews have been the richest and most educated religious minoritiy in the West for centuries(and added advantage most of them look white) and still they are not perceived to be completely integrated...what he says is correct Indians are not more or less integrated than Pakistanis...each community faces unique issues in integrating which cannot be measured because you cannot measure culture.

 

[Nilgiri]

most of them have "naughty" accounts abroad. you can go to the market and walk into a 50 year old pakistani man wearing standard clothing and driving a toyota and you will never know he lives in a house worth about a million+

This is amortised data probably referenced with what the employer pays their workers through their tax filings. Also its median, not mean....so its basically the most average joe you can find...and not people at the higher end that have enough income to stash away in the first place.

 

[Viking 63]

The problem with Pakistanis is that nearly 70% of the women don't work. I have been observing the same in Canada where majority of families are struggling with Finances but the Husband wont allow his wife to go out and work. This is not case with Indians, Chinese, Phillpinos and others.
These Pakistani males are one of the worst lot you can come across(Majority of them). They are loud, obnoxious, hot headed, ill manneres, ill tempered, narrow minded , devoid of any imagination ,refusing to accept changes, etc etc etc.
England, Canada USA, Norway, it is the same case and Pathetic situation they create for themselves. In Canada the Govt gave our community a Failing Grade among all new immigrants coming here since 1988.

 

[Blue Marlin]

This is amortised data probably referenced with what the employer pays their workers through their tax filings. Also its median, not mean....so its basically the most average joe you can find...and not people at the higher end that have enough income to stash away in the first place.

lol most south asains have theri own businesses weather its a corner shops or a plastics factory. now a days you find them either doing somthing in the medical, finance, law, or engineering feilds. yes i know they are broad. but to sum it up they open pharmacys, law firms, and accountant offices, and with the odd engineer. most common is doctors because it makes mummy and daddy happy. bloody hell then talk absolute rubish.

 

[friendly_troll96]

if it looks like rotten ****, stinks like ****, talks like hindian, it's hindian.
if you're gonna change your name from kumar, chadda, patel, phudda, jhutha to british name you might as well get a head transplant.

 

[Nilgiri]

integration has nothing to do with wealth generation or crime rates

OK your definition is quite different from mine. Tell me next time you want to have a kumbayaa with the black neighbourhoods in Detroit and cherish their "cultural integration" first hand. Hopefully you come out in one piece.

If you want to be a total leftist and say integration has nothing to do with income, crime rate and genereal social stability...be my guest. You are welcome to live among the black ghettos for yourself, without any good basic amenities all because you want to prove how integrated you are. You bring up "bobble heads" and "accents" for Indian stereotyping....you want to know how many people stereotype the "integrated" black people you are harping on about? Just because they have a long cultural history due to their population size in many areas and length of time in the US....does not mean they are economically or socially integrated to any large degree compared to communities that have better education and disposable income but with certain "eccentricities". Cultural integration goes both ways....I don't see them practicing their original African tribal religions (all though some of their leaders have attempted to bring it back).

because out of all other Asian communities here South Asian families are least likely to accept a person from a different skin color(let alone culture race or dare I say it...religion) in their household as a family member or even a friend ....Jews have been the richest and most educated religious minoritiy in the West for centuries(and added advantage most of them look white) and still they are not perceived to be completely integrated...what he says is correct Indians are not more or less integrated than Pakistanis...each community faces unique issues in integrating which cannot be measured because you cannot measure culture.

Ive looked at the figures. Indians intermarry with other groups a lot more than Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the UK. The Indian interrmarriage prevalence is increasing over the years....whereas they are stagnant for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis....lets see if the trend continues over the years.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives....ttp://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_369571.pdf

But in the UK, white people are the least likely to marry outside their group, does that mean they are the least integrated? I know for a fact in Canada, 2nd generation Indians are something like 10 times as likely to marry outside their community compared to an immigrant born in India.....but the numbers are not as high for 2nd generation pakistanis and bangladeshis. Religion plays a role in this I suppose:

http://www.macleans.ca/society/ther...-mixed-unions-and-canada-is-leading-the-pack/

For example, only 28 per cent of respondents said they had a generally favourable view of Islam, while 39 per cent said they would find it acceptable for one of their children to marry a Muslim. This suggests religion remains a bigger fault line in Canadian society that skin colour or ethnicity.

In the US, I couldn't even find any numbers for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis....only Indian Americans. Maybe you have some data?

lol most south asains have theri own businesses weather its a corner shops or a plastics factory. now a days you find them either doing somthing in the medical, finance, law, or engineering feilds. yes i know they are broad. but to sum it up they open pharmacys, law firms, and accountant offices, and with the odd engineer. most common is doctors because it makes mummy and daddy happy. bloody hell then talk absolute rubish.

Im talking when you seperate "South Asians" into Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis....your govt data clearly states Indians do better economically and educationally (actually they are closely related) compared to the other two.

This would definitely have some transfer effect on overall integration, no matter what some others are trying to attempt to say. Money, knowledge and not being in poverty go a long way in integrating into a country effectively.

The problem with Pakistanis is that nearly 70% of the women don't work. I have been observing the same in Canada where majority of families are struggling with Finances but the Husband wont allow his wife to go out and work. This is not case with Indians, Chinese, Phillpinos and others.
These Pakistani males are one of the worst lot you can come across(Majority of them). They are loud, obnoxious, hot headed, ill manneres, ill tempered, narrow minded , devoid of any imagination ,refusing to accept changes, etc etc etc.
England, Canada USA, Norway, it is the same case and Pathetic situation they create for themselves. In Canada the Govt gave our community a Failing Grade among all new immigrants coming here since 1988.

I know of this problem as well, but I didn't think it was as high as 70%. Hopefully next generation will change for the better.