Royal Navy Second Aircraft Carrier HMS Prince of Wales' Hull Completed

[Blue Marlin]

Royal Navy Second Aircraft Carrier HMS Prince of Wales' Hull Completed

The second of the largest warships ever built for the Royal Navy, the Queen Elizabeth Class carrier HMS PRINCE OF WALES, was given the royal seal of approval when HRH The Prince of Wales, (or Duke of Rothesay as he is referred to in Scotland), visited Babcock’s Rosyth Facilities and signalled for the final section to be lowered into place.





look at how big the qec is when sompered to its predecessor

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Hasn't RN formally asked from India to buy this? Wouldn't have been a good idea since work on INS Vishal is now starting.

 

[Penguin]

Hasn't RN formally asked from India to buy this? Wouldn't have been a good idea since work on INS Vishal is now starting.

What is your point?

Hasn't RN formally asked from India to buy this? > No, not at all.

Wouldn't have been a good idea since work on INS Vishal is now starting. > really?

I think design-work is starting.

"The Manohar Parrikar-led defence acquisitions council had sanctioned an initial Rs 30 crore as seed money for INS Vishal in May 2015. Since then, India has issued RFI (request for information) for design consultancy to several foreign shipyards.... It will take at least 10-12 years to construct INS Vishal"
http://www.indiatimes.com/news/indi...onne-nuclear-powered-supercarrier-255257.html

It was in 2009 that Whitehall was said to be "examining the feasibility of a sale" as part of its cost-cutting plans. India was reported to have lodged a firm expression of interest, a media report said. Reportedly, however, the financial penalties [for the British] would be prohibitive'.

https://newwars.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/breaking-britain-may-sell-new-carrier-to-india/
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...y-buy-uk-aircraft-carrier-109111600074_1.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...carrier-combat-defence-cuts-says-admiral.html

 

[Drashid]

Our navy remains as potent as ever.

 

[C130]

in hindsight a cheaper alternative could have been https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_ship_Juan_Carlos_I_(L61)

 

[GURU DUTT]

Hasn't RN formally asked from India to buy this? Wouldn't have been a good idea since work on INS Vishal is now starting.

why should we why not make a sister ship of IAC1 instead with minor modification to make it a CATOBAR type AC

 

[migflug]

Beautiful ship. I guess it would be on par with Nimitz (Nimitz bring a generation behind) although both have great difference in size .welcome the most powerful carrier in the world next to Ford

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Our navy remains as potent as ever.

Yeah...since it was never very potent, it remains as potent as the low levels it had before.

Beautiful ship. I guess it would be on par with Nimitz (Nimitz bring a generation behind) although both have great difference in size .welcome the most powerful carrier in the world next to Ford

Absolutely not. It's about 40K smaller than Nitmitz and nowhere close in comparison.

 

[Nexus]

Hasn't RN formally asked from India to buy this? Wouldn't have been a good idea since work on INS Vishal is now starting.

why buy from others when we can build our own ?

 

[Drashid]

Yeah...since it was never very potent, it remains as potent as the low levels it had before.
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Are you thick? We have one of the best trained and best equipped navy's in the world. Besides, it's better than yours.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

Hope RN has enough Destroyers and Frigates in place for them.

6 Type 45 and 8 Type 26.... RN will be the smallest ever in its history it seems. And the capability can not be said to be the best also.

Look at the capital ships
2 Aircraft Carriers , 14 Destroyers / Frigates , 7 SSN.Not even the shadow of what it previously was.

Beautiful ship. I guess it would be on par with Nimitz (Nimitz bring a generation behind) although both have great difference in size .welcome the most powerful carrier in the world next to Ford

Truly speaking , America Class is a better aircraft carrier than this.

 

[migflug]

Hope RN has enough Destroyers and Frigates in place for them.

6 Type 45 and 8 Type 26.... RN will be the smallest ever in its history it seems. And the capability can not be said to be the best also.

Look at the capital ships
2 Aircraft Carriers , 14 Destroyers / Frigates , 7 SSN.Not even the shadow of what it previously was.



Truly speaking , America Class is a better aircraft carrier than this.

British defence industry is next only to usa or on par with russian. although they dont have variety of products like americans or russians, whatever they have is among the best or next to best. for eg i believe type 45 is next only to zumwalt and type 26 will be the best in frigates. Their astute is next only to virginia and same can be said about ej 200 and eurofighter.Elizabeth Class carrier is certainly much smaller than nimitz, but todays modern warefare sensors, avionics ,radars, stealth matter much more than size.
its sad to see they didnt choose emal ,we could have learnt a lot from their experience to make similar size boat.

 

[Penguin]

in hindsight a cheaper alternative could have been https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_ship_Juan_Carlos_I_(L61)

For whom? The Brits or India? And for what?
You do realize an LHA is not the same thing as a full fledged carrier.

British defence industry is next only to usa or on par with russian. although they dont have variety of products like americans or russians, whatever they have is among the best or next to best. for eg i believe type 45 is next only to zumwalt and type 26 will be the best in frigates. Their astute is next only to virginia and same can be said about ej 200 and eurofighter.Elizabeth Class carrier is certainly much smaller than nimitz, but todays modern warefare sensors, avionics ,radars, stealth matter much more than size.
its sad to see they didnt choose emal ,we could have learnt a lot from their experience to make similar size boat.

BAE Systems plc is a British multinational defence, security and aerospace company. Its headquarters are in London in the United Kingdom and it has operations worldwide. It is among the world's largest defence contractors; it was ranked as the second-largest based on applicable 2012 revenues. Its largest operations are in the United Kingdom and United States, where its BAE Systems Inc. subsidiary is one of the six largest suppliers to the US Department of Defense.


Second only to USA? Second? Same league

 

[migflug]

For whom? The Brits or India? And for what?
You do realize an LHA is not the same thing as a full fledged carrier.


BAE Systems plc is a British multinational defence, security and aerospace company. Its headquarters are in London in the United Kingdom and it has operations worldwide. It is among the world's largest defence contractors; it was ranked as the second-largest based on applicable 2012 revenues. Its largest operations are in the United Kingdom and United States, where its BAE Systems Inc. subsidiary is one of the six largest suppliers to the US Department of Defense.


Second only to USA? Second? Same league

second to USA as america have many like bae . for eg lockheed , boeing,ge, pw to name a few.
as an expert on naval affair how do you compare elizabeth to nimitz although their size difference is significant

 

[Penguin]

second to USA as america have many like bae . for eg lockheed , boeing,ge, pw to name a few.

It is not like BAE systems is the only UK defence company. See Chemring group,Cobham plc. And, also consider that not everything is inside one company. Brimstone is British-designed but made by MBDA, a specialist missile manufacturer owned jointly by BAE, France-based Airbus Group and Finmeccanica of Italy.

as an expert on naval affair how do you compare elizabeth to nimitz although their size difference is significant

You don't. You'ld compare to Gerald R. Ford and successors. And not until QE gets catapults and F-35C, anyway

https://books.google.nl/books?id=sJ...q="sorties per day" "queen elizabeth"&f=false

Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier
Intended for something like 75 sorties per day sustained over the five-day period (comparable to 2 sorties/aircraft/day realized by Invincible and Hermes during the Falklands conflict).
Capability possibly 3 sorties per day per aircraft with 40 aircraft on board (=120 sorties)

• Tailored air group of up to 40 aircraft (max 50 full load)

• F-35B Lightning II (max 36?)
• Chinook
• Apache AH64
• Merlin HM2 and HC4
• Wildcat AH1 and HMA2
• Merlin Crowsnest AEW

Gerarld R. Ford class
The Ford class are intended to sustain 160 sorties per day for 30-plus days, with a surge capability of 270 sorties per day.

• Air group 75+. Ability to carry up to 90 aircraft, including:
  • Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet,
    
  • Boeing EA-18G Growler,
    
  • Grumman C-2 Greyhound,
  • Northrop Grumman E-2 Hawkeye,
    
  • Lockheed Martin F-35C Lightning II,
  • Sikorsky SH-60 Seahawk helicopters, and
    
  • unmanned combat air vehicles such as the Northrop Grumman X-47