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Role of Indian Intelligence Bureau (IB) and R&AW in East Pakistan 1963-1971

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In this thread we will look at the role played by India's Intelligence Bureau (IB) and later its spinoff R&AW (Research and Analysis Wing, RAW in short) which came into being in 1968, in then East Pakistan. The exact time frame of the first contact is not known, but I have seen someone somewhere mentioned 1963 is when IB made first made contact with Awami League.

The time period we will focus on is from the time of first contact of IB with Awami League to 25th March, 1971, when Operation Searchlight was given a go ahead by Bhutto. The goal is to find out and uncover as much details as possible about how this situation came about in then Pakistan and the role of IB and RAW in creating this situation, or the lack of any role thereof.

First, we will start with a book by B Raman, a famous former RAW official:
The Kaoboys of R&AW: Down Memory Lane - B. Raman - Google Books

I would urge all members who do not know about IB and RAW to first read this book. I think most of the pages are available online in above link.
 
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Note KRAIT and Ajaxpaul, you have made sensible posts, while three others, including one Bangladeshi seem uncomfortable that I opened this thread. Have any one of you had a chance to take a look at B Raman's book, the link of which I posted in OP, if not, please take a look. I am reading it now.

Since I came to this forum, I noticed that some people while discussing some issues become needlessly emotional. I will not name names, but I have a feeling that it has to do with going through emotional trauma of loosing family member, before, during or after 1971 civil war period. Just making a note of it here, though unrelated to topic.

On topic, here is what B Raman had to say about this in a very recent article. Note of caution, since he was an intelligence agent, he will obviously put a spin for India's favor, but sometimes we get solid gold nuggets of info, I would suggest for everyone to read the whole article in the link, not just the excerpts I post below:
Role of RAW in Liberation of Bangladesh::By B Raman

Covert action capability is an indispensable tool for any State having external adversaries. Its purpose is not just collection of intelligence, but the protection of national interests and the safeguarding of national security through deniable actions of a political, economic, para-diplomatic or para-military nature. A State resorts to covert action if it finds that its national interests cannot be protected or its national security cannot be safeguarded through conventional political, economic, diplomatic or military means or if it concludes that such conventional means are not feasible.

Any intelligence agency worth its salt will have a covert action capability ready for use, when necessary. The Governments of some countries openly admit the availability of such a capability in their intelligence agencies, but not the details of their operations, which have to be secret and deniable. Others don’t admit even its existence.

In India too, the IB, under the foresighted leadership of the late B.N.Mullik, its second Director, had a limited covert action capability for possible use. The covert action division of the IB played a notable role in the then East Pakistan to counter the activities of the ISI in India’s North-East.

The R&AW had inherited from the IB its intelligence collection and covert action capabilities relating to Pakistan and China. These were not up to the standards of the intelligence agencies of the Western countries and Israel.

In India, one tends to think that Pakistan’s use of terrorism against India started in 1989 in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K). It is not so. It started in 1956 in Nagaland. The ISI trained the followers of Phizo, the Naga hostile leader, in training camps set up in the Chittagong Hill Tracts (CHT) of East Pakistan. It also provided them with safe sanctuaries in the CHT from which they could operate in the Indian territory through northern Myanmar.

In the 1960s, it started providing similar assistance and sanctuaries to the Mizo National Front (MNF) headed by Laldenga in the CHT. The ISI’s set-up in East Pakistan also enabled the Naga and Mizo hostiles to establish contact with the Chinese intelligence. This paved the way for the training of the Naga and Mizo hostiles in training camps set up by the Chinese intelligence in the Yunnan province of China.

It was partly to put an end to the activities of the ISI in India’s North-East from East Pakistan that Indira Gandhi decided to assist the Bengali-speaking people of East Pakistan in their efforts to separate from Pakistan and achieve an independent State to be called Bangladesh.

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The flow of intelligence to the policy-makers from the R&AW and the IB was continuous and voluminous. This was facilitated by the co-operation of many Bengali public servants of East Pakistan and by the poor communications security of the Pakistani Armed Forces. One of the first acts of Kao after the coming into being of the R&AW was to set up a Monitoring Division headed by a distinguished retired officer of the Army Signal Corps to collect technical intelligence (TECHINT) from Pakistan and China and a Cryptography Division, headed by a cryptography expert from the IB. While the performance of the Monitoring and Cryptography Divisions in respect of China was unsatisfactory, they did excellent work in intercepting electronic communications within West Pakistan as well as between West and East Pakistan and in repeatedly breaking the codes used by the Pakistani authorities for their communications.

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The IB before 1968 and the R&AW thereafter had built up a network of relationships with many political leaders and Government officials of East Pakistan. They were helped in this networking by the sense of humiliation of the Bengali leaders and officials at the hands of their West Pakistani rulers. This networking enabled the R&AW and the leaders and officials of East Pakistan to quickly put in position the required infrastructure for a liberation struggle consisting of a parallel government with its own fighters trained by the Indian security forces and its own bureaucracy.

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The main hostility to India was from the US and China. Neither of them wanted India to succeed in what they perceived as its designs to break up Pakistan.

1971 also saw the coming into being of the R&AW’s Psychological Warfare (PSYWAR) Division, euphemistically called the Information Division. Media professionals from the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting as well as from the Army were given by Kao the task of ensuring that international spotlight was kept focused on the brutalities being committed by the Pakistan Army in East Pakistan and the resulting exodus of millions of refugees into India.

They did excellent work, but if the international community became aware of the seriousness of the ground situation and of the compulsions on India to act, the real credit for it should go to Indira Gandhi. She was a born Psywarrior. Through her travels across the world to draw attention to the situation in East Pakistan and the bordering States of India, she managed to create an atmosphere, which would not have been hostile to the ultimate Indian intervention----even if it was not supportive of it.

The main hostility to India was from the US and China. Neither of them wanted India to succeed in what they perceived as its designs to break up Pakistan. They had convinced themselves that what they saw as the Indian designs was not the immediate outcome of the disturbances in East Pakistan and the resulting exodus of refugees. Instead, they tended to agree with the military rulers of Pakistan that the disturbances and the refugee exodus were the outcome of the Indian designs. India’s perceived closeness to Moscow under Indira Gandhi added to their hostility.

Those were the days of the first covert contacts between the administration of President Richard Nixon in Washington DC and the regime of Mao Zedong in Beijing. These contacts were facilitated by the military rulers of Pakistan. Yahya Khan earned the gratitude of both the US and China by making possible the first secret visit of Henry Kissinger, Nixon’s National Security Adviser, to Beijing in July,1971, for talks with Mao and his associates.

To counter the perceived Indian designs, the Chinese stepped up the supply of arms and ammunition to Pakistan.

The developing Washington-Beijing understanding was mainly directed against Moscow, but India too, which was perceived by both the US and China as the USSR’s surrogate, came under their scan. There was an undeclared convergence of views between Washington DC and Beijing that Pakistan should be protected from India and that India should not be allowed to emerge as the dominating power of the South Asian region.

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In addition to stepping up the supply of arms and ammunition to the Pakistani Armed Forces and expediting the construction of the Karakoram Highway, the Chinese also wanted to destabilize India’s North-East by helping the Naga and Mizo hostiles in their insurgencies against the Government of India. However, their interest in the North-East was not the outcome of the events of 1971 in East Pakistan. It began in 1968.

While the intelligence agencies of the US and Pakistan co-operated with each other in creating difficulties for India and Indira Gandhi in Punjab, the ISI and the Chinese intelligence co-operated with each other in creating difficulties for them in India’s North-East. The Pakistani aim in destabilizing the North_East was to keep the Indian security forces preoccupied with counter-insurgency duties in the North-East, in the hope of thereby reducing any Indian threat to their position in East Pakistan. The Chinese aim was, in addition to helping Pakistan retain control over its Eastern wing, to weaken the Indian hold in this area in order to safeguard their own position in Tibet and to facilitate the eventual achievement of their objective of integrating India’s Arunachal Pradesh with Tibet

Even as the Indian Army---ably assisted by the Air Force and the Navy—was moving towards Dhaka , covert action units of the R&AW and the Directorate-General of Security (DGS), which also came under Kao, raided the CHT in order to put an end to the insurgency infrastructure of the Naga and the Mizo hostiles. They found that the Nagas, anticipating the raid, had already shifted their infrastructure to the Burma Naga Hills area. The Mizos had not shifted, but they managed to escape capture by the units of the R&AW and the DGS and crossed over into the Chin Hills and the Arakan Division areas of Burma. Laldenga, the head of the MNF, proceeded to Rangoon from where he was taken to Karachi by the ISI. Apart from destroying the physical infrastructure of the hostiles, the only other useful outcome of the raid was the capture of all the documents kept in the MNF headquarters, which gave a lot of valuable intelligence about the contacts of the MNF with the ISI and the Chinese intelligence.

The Naga and the Mizo hostiles lost their safe sanctuaries, but their manpower remained intact. However, the loss of the sanctuaries and an important source of funds and arms and ammunition created doubts in the minds of their leadership about the continued viability of their insurgent movement. As will be discussed in a subsequent chapter, this ultimately led to peace in Mizoram and partial peace in Nagaland.

The 1971 war and our counter-insurgency operations against the Naga and the Mizo hostiles once again highlighted the importance of Northern Burma from the point of view of the security of India’s North-East. To explain this, I have to go back to my entry into the intelligence community.

In the year before the 1962 war, the IB’s trans-border sources in the North-East were repeatedly reporting about a tremendous increase in the number of mules and Chinese muleteers in the Kachin State and the Burma Naga Hills.

I joined the IB in July 1967. After my training, Kao, who then headed the external intelligence division of the IB, told me that I had been selected to head the Burma Branch. The branch was created after the Sino-Indian war of 1962 and he felt that it was as important as the branches dealing with Pakistan and China. He wanted me to acquire expertise not only on Burma, but also on the Yunnan province of China.

I continued to be in charge of the Burma branch for nearly five years -- handling analysis as well as clandestine operations -- and acquired such expertise that people used to refer to me as ‘Burma Raman.’

After taking over, I thought I would familiarise myself with the background to the creation of the Branch, and sent for the relevant file. It was there that I saw a one para hand-written note by B.N. Mullik, who was the Director of the IB at the time of the Chinese invasion of India. The note had been recorded by him shortly after the war with China had come to an end.

The note said: “I have discussed with the Prime Minister and the Home Secretary. They have agreed that we must urgently create a Burma Branch. It should start functioning from today without waiting for a formal approval from Finance. Action for obtaining approval from Finance may be taken separately.”

In order to understand why the Branch was created in such an urgency -- almost in panic -- I then requisitioned all Burma-related files of 1962 and the years before from the Record Room (Archives).

From the various notings in those files, I noticed that Mullik and others felt that the Indian Army was so badly taken by surprise in what today is called Arunachal Pradesh because some Chinese troops had entered Arunachal Pradesh not directly from the North, but from Yunnan in the East.

They had clandestinely moved across the Putao region of the Kachin state of Burma without being detected by the IB. The Kachin State and the Burma Naga Hills were a no-man’s land in those days, with practically no Burmese administrative or military presence outside the towns of Myitkyina and Putao. The Chinese had taken advantage of this.

I then went through all the pre-1962 source files in order to understand how the IB’s sources in North Burma had missed this. In those days, whatever roads were there in the Kachin State and the Burma Naga Hills had been blown up by the anti-Rangoon insurgents. The only way of moving about and carrying goods from one place to another was on the back of mules. North Burma had a large Chinese population of Yunanese origin. Many of them earned their living as muleteers.

In the year before the 1962 war, the IB’s trans-border sources in the North-East were repeatedly reporting about a tremendous increase in the number of mules and Chinese muleteers in the Kachin State and the Burma Naga Hills.

Towards the end of 1968 and throughout 1969, R&AW sources in the Kachin State of Burma started reporting...

The then officers of the IB had sent out a wake-up call by drawing the attention of the policy-makers to the national security implications of this development in the areas adjoining the Indian border in Nagaland and Arunachal Pradesh. But they were ridiculed and accused of nursing imaginary fears.

It was realised only belatedly that these muleteers were actually Chinese Army and intelligence officers based in Yunnan, who had taken up position across our border in Burmese territory in the months before the invasion. After the war was over, there was a steep drop in the number of mules and Chinese muleteers in North Burma.

In 1968, the Governments of India and Burma agreed to set up a Joint Commission for the Demarcation of the Indo-Burmese boundary except in the northern and southern trijunctions.

Kao spoke to the then Foreign Secretary and persuaded him to include me in the Commission under the cover of a Deputy Secretary of the Ministry of Home Affairs dealing with the North-East.

By that time, Indira Gandhi had decided to bifurcate the IB and create the R&AW under the charge of Kao. It was, therefore, decided that I, along with the Burma Branch, would stand transferred to the R&AW, but I would keep the late MML Hooja, the then Director, IB, in the picture regarding my work.

Our concern was that the continued intrusions might be linked to the developments in East Pakistan and might have been intended to deter any Indian action in East Pakistan.

Kao, therefore, took Hooja’s concurrence for my being the joint representative of the R&AW and the IB in the Commission. My membership of the Commission gave me an opportunity to travel frequently and widely in remote areas of North Burma.

The Commission used to meet alternately in India and Burma. Normally, joint aerial photography of the border areas is the starting point for the demarcation work. At a meeting of the Commission in Rangoon, the Indian delegation proposed that such aerial photography be undertaken. We added that since the Burmese Air Force might not have a plane capable of good aerial photography, we would be happy to request the Indian Air Force to do this job for the Commission and that we would not charge the Burmese Government for it. A Burmese officer could be attached to the IAF for guiding in the aerial photography mission, we said.

The Burmese replied that they already had aerial photographs of the Indo-Burma bordering areas, and that we could use them as the starting point.

The photographs were of excellent quality. Totally surprised, we asked them how they took them since their Air Force did not have a plane capable of taking such aerial photography. To our shock, they replied: “Our Chinese friends helped us. We sought their help. They sent a plane of their Air Force to fly over the Indo-Burmese border to take the photographs.”

When we strongly protested against their allowing a Chinese Air Force plane to fly over our sensitive border areas and take photographs without our permission, the Burmese replied: “We will never let down our Indian friends. We did take your prior permission.”

They then showed us a note from the then Indian Ambassador in Rangoon to their Foreign Office, stating that the Government of India would have no objection to their requesting the Chinese for assistance in the aerial photography.

On my return to Delhi, I briefed Kao about this, and suggested that he should advise the Prime Minister to order an enquiry into how a matter having serious national security implications was handled so casually, and fix responsibility.

Kao replied: “Raman, the R&AW has only recently got going. We will need the goodwill of the Ministry of External Affairs for functioning in the Indian embassies abroad. By raising this with the Prime Minister, we will unnecessarily be creating hostility to the R&AW in the MEA. I will mention this breach of security to the Foreign Secretary and let him decide what further needs to be done.” Nothing further was done.

Towards the end of 1968 and throughout 1969, R&AW sources in the Kachin State of Burma started reporting that taking advantage of the absence of Burmese military presence in the areas of the Kachin State to the East and the South-East of Myitkyina and also in the Bhamo area----all adjoining the Yunnan border--- a large number of Chinese troops from Yunnan had infiltrated into the Burmese territory in these areas and set up camps. The sources also reported that the Burmese Government had not taken any action against these intrusions.

One of my tasks as the head of the Burma branch was to closely monitor these intrusions should there be indications of these troops moving further Westwards towards the Indian border. Some of these troops went back into Yunnan in 1970, but others stayed put in Burmese territory till the 1971 war in East Pakistan was over.

Our concern was that the continued intrusions might be linked to the developments in East Pakistan and might have been intended to deter any Indian action in East Pakistan. But, further enquiries indicated that this was not so.

After the Chinese Communists extended their control over Yunnan post-1949, the surviving remnants of the anti-Communist Kuomintang (KMT) troops had crossed over into the Kachin and Shan States of Burma and set up bases there. Beijing was exercising pressure on Rangoon to expel them from Burmese territory. We assessed that the troop intrusions into the Burmese territory were meant to reinforce that pressure and had nothing to do with the developments in East Pakistan.

There was concern in the intelligence communities of India as well as the US that the Chinese might establish their control over North Burma by exploiting the weaknesses of the Burmese Government. This did not happen. The Chinese troops withdrew from the Burmese territory in the 1970s after the KMT remnants were airlifted to Taiwan.

Two questions often posed are: Indira Gandhi could have at least ordered the liberation of ****************** Kashmir (***) and the Northern Areas (Gilgit and Baltistan), which India considers as an integral part of its territory under illegal Pakistani occupation. Why she did not do so?

This shared concern brought about a close working relationship between the R&AW and the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in North Burma. Thus, one saw the curious spectacle of the US intelligence colluding with the ISI in assisting the Khalistan movement in Indian Punjab, with the Chinese intelligence for preventing a break-up of West Pakistan by India and with the Indian intelligence for preventing a possible Chinese take-over of North Burma. This may appear strange and incomprehensible, but such things are normal in the intelligence profession.

As the war in East Pakistan was reaching its climax, Nixon, reportedly as advised by Kissinger, ordered the USS Enterprise, a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier of the US Navy, to move into the Bay of Bengal. It reached there on December 11,1971. What was the purpose of the movement? The generally accepted assessment held that it was meant to convey a warning to India to stop the war after the liberation of Bangladesh and not to break up West Pakistan. Pressure from the policy-makers for more intelligence about the US intentions increased on the R&AW.

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^ Agree with you, splitting West and East Pakistan was need of the hour for India, to somehow weaken Pakistan and focus on enemy than facing two on both sides.

Article itself reveals the hidden geopolitics under the cover of civil war. Even Russia sent its SSBN to counter USS Enterprise.

We need more discussion like this to share each others' knowledge and understandwhat happened then. Seriously I didn't know about Burmese and Chinese angle.
 
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Not really surprised that RAW was created after 62 and 65...So naturally its work was based in NE India.

Now I am curious What game is RAW playing in SA, IRAN and Afghanistan.

With Increase in budget, we might see covert ops through 3rd party.
 
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Sir don't resort to personal insults, you are senior member. Secondly, if there hasn't been any neglect by west pakistan of east pakistan, bangladesh would haven't been created. At one point you HAVE to admit that you made mistake somewhere that's why this division happens. It needs two hands to clap. India just fuelled the unrest via proxy support, but fire wood was laid by you guys. That's why we have forgotten what happened at that time. And war crimes done that time is unfortunately forgotten by Bangladeshi people (atleast what i see in PDF), coz they weren't born then.

Inability to admit failure is a major reason for consistent failure.....





My friend , go back and read Indian jigar's PATRONIZING Post that I am responding to. No one likes to be Patronized.

As for you comment about admitting Failure, please go back to my post again and see my comments about that. Actually, I will simplify it for you by reposting the section from my previous post, since you are obviously having problem understanding it.

I said in my previous post:


"Our Politicians not only failed the Bengali people, they failed us as well. We have learnt form those mistakes. We wish Bangladeshi Brothers well and will come to their aid whenever they need us".


Now tell me what part of this statement don't you understand ?
 
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^ Agree with you, splitting West and East Pakistan was need of the hour for India, to somehow weaken Pakistan and focus on enemy than facing two on both sides.

Article itself reveals the hidden geopolitics under the cover of civil war. Even Russia sent its SSBN to counter USS Enterprise.

We need more discussion like this to share each others' knowledge and understandwhat happened then. Seriously I didn't know about Burmese and Chinese angle.

I got wind of it when sh!t hit the fan in Burma recently and I started digging with Burma insurgents, then I came upon North East states insurgents and finally I understood the geopolitical game that was played in this theater. Like B Raman says, ISI started operations in NE states with China's help in 1956 in Nagaland. To save and secure NE India, Pakistan was broken up and Bangladesh was created, in my opinion. Mujib, Tajuddin, Awami League etc. all were pawns in this geopolitical chess game. Of course it did not just serve one purpose, like you said, it broke a strong enemy into two weaker half and the main enemy was only on one side, while the weaker other was/is a potential vassal state, surrounded by 3 sides. But something did not go right so this lament here:

Creation of Bangladesh: Shining Moment or Strategic Blunder » Indian Defence Review
Maj Gen Sheru Thapliyal
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Every election time, Bangladesh goes through convulsions. Same is the case now. The two Beghums have reduced the whole election process to a farce. In no democratic country, executive powers are handed over to someone else to conduct elections. Hopefully better sense will prevail and election process, however farcial, will be gone through. We also need to seriously reexamine our policy of investing in individuals rather than institutions. We have learnt nothing from the past. In 1972, Indira Gandhi thought that by making concessions to Bhutto, she will earn his goodwill. What we got instead is a nuclear Pakistan. Similarly in Bangladesh, we put all our eggs earlier in Sheikh Mujib’s basket. With his assassination, we lost all our bargaining power. Thereafter it was Sheikh Hasina’s turn. The result is that whenever Beghum Khalida Zia comes to power, anti Indian forces gain upper hand. Unfortunately in our country foreign policy has been made an exclusive preserve of the ruling party. What we need is greater transparency and greater debate – both within the Parliament as also out side in the media and think tanks. But perhaps it may be too much to expect.
 
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My friend , go back and read Indian jigar's PATRONIZING Post that I am responding to. No one likes to be Patronized.

As for you comment about admitting Failure, please go back to my post again and see my comments about that. Actually, I will simplify it for you by reposting the section from my previous post, since you are obviously having problem understanding it.

I said in my previous post:


"Our Politicians not only failed the Bengali people, they failed us as well. We have learnt form those mistakes. We wish Bangladeshi Brothers well and will come to their aid whenever they need us".


Now tell me what part of this statement don't you understand ?
I admit you are right, just saying take the high ground. Also its not about past failures but the current one too.....that's my emphasis....Rest you are quite right.
 
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cross posting from 1971 thread:

Here is an Indian blaming Bhutto for the 1971 civil war, Bhutto did make the final decisive move by giving a go-ahead for the Operation Searchlight, but the chess board was set long before to push him into a corner where he was forced to make an irrational blunder, in my opinion, or was it deliberate? (may be some member with more knowledge can elaborate):
Was Bhutto the Catylist for the Creation of Bangladesh ?

Indira Gandhi interview during 1971:
Rare Mrs Indira Gandhi Interview on Bangladesh Liberation War 1971 (Video) | Ekawaaz - One Voice - Many Issues : News Views and Reviews
Mrs Gandhi Interview on Problems with Pakistan - YouTube

While watching the video, imagine that this lady while growing up as the daughter of Nehru, lived and breathed the geopolitical great game politics between nation states, but perhaps she understood this game much better than her father or any of her family members before or after? Please notice how happy she looks, like the patient hunter whose prey is in her clutch and no escape is possible. She worked for this kill for at least a few years since she took power in 1968, now the chess board is ready for the final move of check mate. The interviewer is trying to pry out of her the confession that she will invade, but she is denying, but her self assured posture and smiles give away her true intention.

It is my belief that our leaders never understood the full consequence of their actions, the lives they were playing with, the lives that were lost, in 1947, in 1971 and it will continue. But this is not just here in South Asia, it is true the world over. If leaders had to sacrifice their own family or themselves, then they probably would be more circumspect, but alas these are mere pawns in their great geopolitical chess games. Some who understand it can play this game, others who do not understand, become mere pawns.
 
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cross posting from 1971 thread:

Here is an Indian blaming Bhutto for the 1971 civil war, Bhutto did make the final decisive move by giving a go-ahead for the Operation Searchlight, but the chess board was set long before to push him into a corner where he was forced to make an irrational blunder, in my opinion, or was it deliberate? (may be some member with more knowledge can elaborate):
Was Bhutto the Catylist for the Creation of Bangladesh ?

Indira Gandhi interview during 1971:
Rare Mrs Indira Gandhi Interview on Bangladesh Liberation War 1971 (Video) | Ekawaaz - One Voice - Many Issues : News Views and Reviews
Mrs Gandhi Interview on Problems with Pakistan - YouTube

While watching the video, imagine that this lady while growing up as the daughter of Nehru, lived and breathed the geopolitical great game politics between nation states, but perhaps she understood this game much better than her father or any of her family members before or after? Please notice how happy she looks, like the patient hunter whose prey is in her clutch and no escape is possible. She worked for this kill for at least a few years since she took power in 1968, now the chess board is ready for the final move of check mate. The interviewer is trying to pry out of her the confession that she will invade, but she is denying, but her self assured posture and smiles give away her true intention.

It is my belief that our leaders never understood the full consequence of their actions, the lives they were playing with, the lives that were lost, in 1947, in 1971 and it will continue. But this is not just here in South Asia, it is true the world over. If leaders had to sacrifice their own family or themselves, then they probably would be more circumspect, but alas these are mere pawns in their great geopolitical chess games. Some who understand it can play this game, others who do not understand, become mere pawns.


She was definitely the most ruthless PM we had.

Iron Lady of India.,
 
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It is my belief that our leaders never understood the full consequence of their actions, the lives they were playing with, the lives that were lost, in 1947, in 1971 and it will continue. But this is not just here in South Asia, it is true the world over. If leaders had to sacrifice their own family or themselves, then they probably would be more circumspect, but alas these are mere pawns in their great geopolitical chess games. Some who understand it can play this game, others who do not understand, become mere pawns.

Such Understanding and finesse only comes through realism , i may risk flaming ,but religion doesn't help at all(especially the Extremist elements).

the world today might convince u to my pov.:coffee:
 
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Actually I just realized that this thread is a duplication, as there is another thread opened by Munshi Bhai:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/192268-1971-war-raw-success.html

How many people think that these two threads should be merged?

Although the focus on this thread is very specific, to uncover IB/RAW role in East Pakistan 1950's to 1971, March 25. But I think they cover the same subject. If this is ok with Munshi Bhai and others, I will ask mods to merge these two threads, if possible.
 
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Showing love and gratitude by words is not enough my friend, West Pakistanis tried to clean an Entire generation of East Pakistanis when it mattered most. Your Bengali brothers only fought for their right after the elections You people not only declined them but also humiliated them by commiting genocide of bengalis.

Now you are talking about your failed politicians and generals, Which is a typical pakistani mentality of blaming others for their own mistakes . Through out the ancient history,medieval period Pakistan is the most Unstable region in sub continent if not the world. Lot of Mass murders, Forced conversions and mass molestations occurred in this land and modern day pakistan is also facing the same challenge right now.
I feel it you people who are miserably existed throughout the history.

In my opinion, this is an over simplification of events. West Pakistani masses had little role in what happened. It was the military-feudal elite led by Bhutto-Yahya, that decided that they could not risk handing over power to Mujib and Awami League, which was extensively infiltrated and controlled by RAW, so they authorized and made a wrong move in desperation, by authorizing Operation Searchlight. What do you think they were searching? My guess is that they were searching for Indian agents among East Pakistani's who essentially committed treason, in their eyes, by working with the enemy of then Pakistan and without due process, they went for summary execution of anyone who were suspected of being connected with India.

I repeat, they had no intention of killing an entire generation of East Pakistan, although many innocent people did lose their lives without due process. In another thread we have already discussed that the real figure of death was anywhere from 50,000 to 100,000 Bengali Hindu's and Muslims, whereas the number of Bihari/Hindustani Muslims killed was probably higher or comparable to Bengali death figure. But these are best guesses according to many previous reports, all of which is questionable. We need a new investigation to get a more accurate figure with detailed demographics.

Bengali's fighting for their right was in effect a velvet revolution, mainly created in connivance with Indian (IB and RAW) advice and funding of Awami League, but as soon as Bhutto-Yahya initiated Operation Searchlight, East Pakistan mass opinion switched from loyalty to Pakistan to revulsion towards West Pakistan and it turned into a general revolt and civil war, between those who remained loyal and those who preferred the path of independence.
 
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You are getting funnier day by day. Why not you go back to the subject called Kallu's new World Order which seemed more realistic to me.

I will rest only when we have identified all Indian agents and "useful idiots" among our midst, so people know about who they really are, ignorant fools who have been manipulated as pawns and are still being manipulated. Then it is up to the people what they want to do with them.

My world order is to promote the interest of the oppressed and down trodden of the world, but then if you had the brains you would understand that by now.

And why no comment about what B Raman said in his article and his book?

About the number of death, as I said always we need a new investigation to find out the real number from all sides.
 
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Kalu bahi, this fictional number is one of building block of indo awami propaganda bs. With indo awami number bs falling apart Iajdani have no answer but acting childish.
 
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