Roketsan begins serial production of OMTAS ATGM

[cabatli_53]

A huge deal for OMTAS seeker heads

Cost: 63 million TL and 31,5 million Euro
Delivery:2019-2024

 

[Hack-Hook]

Kaplan-10 succesfully completed qualification trials and ready to fire OMTAS and Kornet missiles.

Pars-4x4 completed qualification trials and ready to fire OMTAS and Kornet missiles.

Kaplan and Pars vehicles will love OMTAS missiles.

Those vehicles can easily carry more tube why just install 2 on top of it . why not for example put two row of tubes on the turret and make the design with 6 Atgm not just two ?
That make the system far more deadly and I don't think the extra weight would be any problem for the car.

The missile is 1,800mm in length (including the launch tube and forward and aft shock cushions) and weighs 35 kg (including the launch tube).

Looking at this data it's size and weight and I believe the system is more geared to be carried by vehicles rather than as a replacement for TOW and Milan that can be carried and operated by infantry .
I don't say it can't be used by them but Honnestly it to big and bothersome for that .

 

[dBSPL]

Those vehicles can easily carry more tube why just install 2 on top of it . why not for example put two row of tubes on the turret and make the design with 6 Atgm not just two ?
That make the system far more deadly and I don't think the extra weight would be any problem for the car.


Looking at this data it's size and weight and I believe the system is more geared to be carried by vehicles rather than as a replacement for TOW and Milan that can be carried and operated by infantry .
I don't say it can't be used by them but Honnestly it to big and bothersome for that .

No tender for heavy armored combat vehicles has been made yet.The current STA project is especially shaped with field feedback and where mobility is at the forefront.

OMTAS and Kornet are fire-forget ammunition types and provide Nlos engagement, theres no need more than 2 launcher at the same time.Also both vehicles have a lot of storage capacity.

 

[cabatli_53]

Those vehicles can easily carry more tube why just install 2 on top of it . why not for example put two row of tubes on the turret and make the design with 6 Atgm not just two ?

Army draw the frame lines and institutes design the systems accordingly to meet domestic requirements. In field, They chosed the mobility and fire/escape maneouvrings to neutralize the threats while staying out of frontlines so this concept is considered for STA vehicles. Otherwise, There is a turret developed by Aselsan which have 4 ATGM capability as well.

 

[cabatli_53]

Looking at this data it's size and weight and I believe the system is more geared to be carried by vehicles rather than as a replacement for TOW and Milan that can be carried and operated by infantry .

Considering the weight of ToW missiles/launchers, 35kg weight of OMTAS (Launcher+Missile) is quite suitable to be used by infantry teams. It is heavier than Milan but lighter than ToW.

 

[Oublious]

Considering the weight of ToW missiles/launchers, 35kg weight of OMTAS (Launcher+Missile) is quite suitable to be used by infantry teams. It is heavier than Milan but lighter than ToW.

Heavier then milan and lighter then tow but more range then both.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Army draw the frame lines and institutes design the systems accordingly to meet domestic requirements.

Well I yet to see any army to say no when you tell them you can made what they ordered more than twice as lethal without any cost to mobility and delivery time table and they say no .

Heavier then milan and lighter then tow but more range then both.

A tow is around 19-22kg so its also heavier than tow

 

[Oublious]

Well I yet to see any army to say no when you tell them you can made what they ordered more than twice as lethal without any cost to mobility and delivery time table and they say no .


A tow is around 19-22kg so its also heavier than tow

did you ever see what a tow is complete? omtas with launcher is 35 kg, please do you research correct.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Considering the weight of ToW missiles/launchers, 35kg weight of OMTAS (Launcher+Missile) is quite suitable to be used by infantry teams. It is heavier than Milan but lighter than ToW.

Our copy of TOW which we call Toophan depended on the model have a weight of 18-21 kg and as far as I knew the original also weight the same

 

[cabatli_53]

Heavier then milan and lighter then tow but more range then both.

and more effective warhead. The warheads were ordered from German TDW institute at first variants of prototypes but the results were not satisfied officials. As a result, Roketsan has designed a new tandem warhead replaced TDW warhead in aTGM family and It is more effective than anything that can be purchased from Germans anymore.

Our copy of TOW which we call Toophan depended on the model have a weight of 18-21 kg and as far as I knew the original also weight the same

but It is the missile weight only. 35kg is the weight of missile+launcher for OMTAS.

 

[Hack-Hook]

did you ever see what a tow is complete? omtas with launcher is 35 kg, please do you research correct.

You knew this system is actually bigger than tow its length is 180 cm while tow is a lot shorter (depended on the model 120cm to less than 150cm)

 

[Oublious]

and more effective warhead. The warheads were ordered from German TDW institute at first variants of prototypes but the results were not satisfied officials. As a result, Roketsan has designed a new tandem warhead replaced TDW warhead in aTGM family and It is more effective than anything that can be purchased from Germans anymore.

Every component from Germany, USA and EU most be disappear from our design literature and our world. that should be our aim.

 

[Hack-Hook]

and more effective warhead. The warheads were ordered from German TDW institute at first variants of prototypes but the results were not satisfied officials. As a result, Roketsan has designed a new tandem warhead replaced TDW warhead in aTGM family and It is more effective than anything that can be purchased from Germans anymore.




but It is the missile weight only. 35kg is the weight of missile+launcher for OMTAS.

Come on who told you guys tow missile weight is 35kg

I looked up and come out with this
http://www.roketsan.com.tr/en/urunl...fuzeler/omtas-orta-menzilli-anti-tank-fuzesi/

The missile is 24kg and the missile and launch tube is 35kg you must add to that the launcher unit which is 36kg . it means 71kg
TOW missile is 21kg and its guidance set is 23kg also don't forget tow is shorter and that also help in its portability.

But let be honest not this system nor TOW is easy to operate and transport by infantry for them something like milan is a lot practical

 

[Oublious]

Come on who told you guys tow missile weight is 35kg

I looked up and come out with this
http://www.roketsan.com.tr/en/urunl...fuzeler/omtas-orta-menzilli-anti-tank-fuzesi/

The missile is 24kg and the missile and launch tube is 35kg you must add to that the launcher unit which is 36kg . it means 71kg
TOW missile is 21kg and its guidance set is 23kg also don't forget tow is shorter and that also help in its portability.

But let be honest not this system nor TOW is easy to operate and transport by infantry for them something like milan is a lot practical

Weight of the Missile 35 kg (Inc. Launch Tube)

 

[Hack-Hook]

and more effective warhead. The warheads were ordered from German TDW institute at first variants of prototypes but the results were not satisfied officials. As a result, Roketsan has designed a new tandem warhead replaced TDW warhead in aTGM family and It is more effective than anything that can be purchased from Germans anymore.




but It is the missile weight only. 35kg is the weight of missile+launcher for OMTAS.

No the missile and launch tube you must add another 36kg for guidance system and the tripod and other subsystems
Rocketsan clearly mentioned it in their website but other sites are a little vague on it. And clearly rocketsan knew better than the others.