Roadside bomb kills three U.S. troops near Afghan city of Ghazni

[pak-marine]

Rest In Peace

 

[YeBeWarned]

Are you serious with that question despite using a powerful tool like the Internet?

Here is a 2011 news article about US and the Taliban...

https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/27/world/asia/us-afghanistan-pakistan/index.html

Here is an older article...

https://www.aei.org/publication/negotiating-with-the-taliban-lessons-from-history/

you are missing the point, the actual crime committed by OBL was in 2001, it doesn't matter that if you were trying to persuade Taliban to hand him over, and why would they hand him over to you post 9/11 ? ?

Remember, in 1993 the WTC was bombed.

You can dispute whether it was EXACTLY 10 yrs or not. No one care to that level of pettiness given how much has transpired. The bottom line is what the US reached out before we invaded Afghanistan.

That is exactly what i am disputing here, and rest is just arrogance ..

I do not care how many Egyptians fought against the Soviets or later joined Al-Qaeda against US. Al-Qaeda is an international movement. The organization is stateless, therefore, it requires a host country to survive and conduct its plan. The host country is even more guilty of collusion with a belligerent if the host country knew the nature of the conflict. I challenge you to find any international law expert who will agree with you.

Just because you don't care about something doesn't make it irrelevant, a State-less organization doesn't required permission or support of State to operate , that is why they are called non state actors, Going by your logic Switzerland , US and UK also should be invaded as a lot of Known Terrorists from Pakistan are enjoying their lives in these countries . ( Altaf Hussain , Gulan , Blaoch Separatist ) etc

And you speak from extensive personal experience in dealing with terrorism?

if by Personal means myself, no .. but If by personal you mean my Country than yes ..

Spare US your 'good intentions'. From what I have seen of your arguments and excuses for Afghanistan so far, you wish the US would stay in Afghanistan forever and would jerk off at every American dead.

This post perfect example of your Frustration i like it .. plus Jacking off to dead is not our thing yea but Americans have a history of doing sexual stuff with the detainees in their prisons, hint ( Abu gharib ) .. For me there is no excuse, you want your Army to stay in Afghanistan Fine with me , you can stay there for 2 Centuries for all i care .. but than don't B!tch about Poor Americans dying if you are killing Afghans they will kill you back .

Yes, it is an excuse. If an uneducated man stole from you, would you excuse him for not knowing that theft is wrong?

Mullah Omar was educated in Pakistan. You can read it here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Omar

So yes, you are making a pathetic excuse for Afghanistan.

Completely Miss the point, so i will pass on that, I do know Mullah Omar was educated in Pakistan under the Maulana Sami ul Haq who was recently assassinated .

That is THE lesson we wanted to show -- just when you think we are weak, we have no problems showing how strong we can actually be. What we did in Afghanistan was only a fraction of what we can actually do.

Strong, by Attacking Afghanistan ? come on you are insulting American Military might, when OBL attacked American it was out of sheer ignorance and lack of understanding of situation on his parts, he was Evil and a Terrorist his justification was not accepted by Muslims to this date . What you did in Afghanistan is waste hundreds of American lives, and 1 Trillion dollars with little to no gains ..

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/01/...-report-taliban-gains-control-intl/index.html

Yes, I have no problems leveling that allegation at you.

That shows your frustration, and lack of reasoning ..

Wrong as shown above.

I have no problems calling you a tacit terrorism supporter because no matter how much sources I can provide detailing what we went thru to get bin Laden in the least violent way, you will never be satisfied. There is always another way without you telling US what is it. Would you believe me if I tell you that we even tried to give Mullah Omar a satellite phone with a direct link to the White House? No, you would not believe.

well You have big mouth no logic my friend, at least in this particular topic .. I challenge you show me one Post of me on PDF where i justify killing of innocent Civilians ,you are the one who refused to call any white Person a terrorist , so to me you have a weird definition on Terrorists and Terrorism .

You just proved my point about not being satisfied and what you have is essentially unprovable. You cannot speak for what your government would or would not have done and you know it. What you proposed is nothing more than baseless speculation designed to give your argument a patina of credibility.

Wait what ? haha What i am suggesting that America with all its technology and Military might can take out OBL easily, which you guys didn't . this is not baseless arguments its just you are very very ignorant of the reality , Read the various accounts of Tora Bora and how America let OBL slip into Pakistan.

You think Americans give a shit if we are respected in that part of the world? Hate US? Do so, but then do not repeat what Mullah Omar did and all will be well. We will leave Afghanistan knowing that we failed to raise a backward people and culture, not because we failed to exact vengeance.

Of course not , Your Bunch are insensitive barbarians so i doubt your Army and policy makers care what people think about US, but rest of the world still thinks America is the biggest threat to Humanity .

https://www.geospatialworld.net/blogs/countries-biggest-threat-to-peace/
https://www.globalresearch.ca/polls-u-s-is-the-greatest-threat-to-peace-in-the-world-today/5603342

You will leave Afghanistan defeated or fake victory like Vietnam .. but in the end I stand correct that You will eventually Leave Afghanistan, so why not save lives and leave now ? Obama made the right Decision when he left Iraq , which was another failure of American Policy and Strategy .

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Now on side note, I do believe America is the most powerful nation on earth and can/will defeat any conventional Army . I have nothing against common American but i Criticize American policy and Govt because it effects my country and my people as well (Pakistani's) . You are American which and extremely Biased , I have no particular love for Afghans , Hell I always support Pakistan bombing of Afghanistan but to me personally America screwed up in Afghanistan ,Iraq and many other countries, the only reason America hold the countries she invades it because of Conventional Military power , but you just couldn't hold it forever , if you want to fight insurgency you eventually have to hand over the power and duty to the native people .. that is how you win , you can stay in Afghanistan and the insurgency will never end ..

 

[gambit]

you are missing the point, the actual crime committed by OBL was in 2001, it doesn't matter that if you were trying to persuade Taliban to hand him over, and why would they hand him over to you post 9/11 ? ?

No, it is YOU who are missing the point. Osama bin Laden was already known to be hostile to US. Mullah Omar gave them safe harbor in Afghanistan, that is why we trying to negotiate with Mullah Omar because we did not want to make Afghanistan our battlefield.

That is exactly what i am disputing here, and rest is just arrogance ..

That we did not negotiate EXACTLY for ten yrs as I stated? Are you that pedantic?

Just because you don't care about something doesn't make it irrelevant, a State-less organization doesn't required permission or support of State to operate , that is why they are called non state actors, Going by your logic Switzerland , US and UK also should be invaded as a lot of Known Terrorists from Pakistan are enjoying their lives in these countries . ( Altaf Hussain , Gulan , Blaoch Separatist ) etc

You are correct that a stateless organization may not require the permission of the local government to operate. But there is something called the Geneva Convention...

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/appl...85e344e491c102e5c125641e003934b7?OpenDocument

Essentially, if the government is indifferent or incompetent or cooperative, border security and sovereignty are forfeited. In the case of terror cells that operated out of the Western countries, we know that their governments do not tolerate such actors, therefore, we do not hold them partially responsible for any terrorist act.

Regarding the above convention, we knew that Mullah Omar made Afghanistan cooperative with Al-Qaeda and that made Afghanistan a partisan in a conflict. Mullah Omar discarded articles 2 thru 5, thereby rendering article 1 void.

if by Personal means myself, no .. but If by personal you mean my Country than yes ..

Excellent. Now prove that your Pakistan would have facilitated the handover of Osama bin Laden over to US.

...you want your Army to stay in Afghanistan Fine with me , you can stay there for 2 Centuries for all i care ..

If that is true -- your feelings about US -- then WTF are doing debating this issue?

...but than don't B!tch about Poor Americans dying if you are killing Afghans they will kill you back .

Since you claimed NOT to care, why do you bother if we b1tch about it? Leave US 'poor' Americans to cry. Are you at risk? Of course not. You are too chickenshit to do anything outside the keyboards anyway.

Completely Miss the point, so i will pass on that, I do know Mullah Omar was educated in Pakistan under the Maulana Sami ul Haq who was recently assassinated .

Again, it is YOU who missed the point. Being educated or uneducated is no excuse. Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it. Likewise, ignorance of accepted international norms is no excuse for hosting a belligerent on your soil.

Strong, by Attacking Afghanistan ? come on you are insulting American Military might,...

No insult here, buddy. Like I said, what we expended at Afghanistan to removed the Taliban from power was 1/100th of what we can wield. Or I will put it this way, instead of the fist, we used our pinky finger.

...when OBL attacked American it was out of sheer ignorance and lack of understanding of situation on his parts, he was Evil and a Terrorist his justification was not accepted by Muslims to this date .

We do not give a shit if his actions were accepted by the general Muslim population or not. That is not a sufficient reason for US to restrain ourselves after 9/11.

What you did in Afghanistan is waste hundreds of American lives, and 1 Trillion dollars with little to no gains ..

Again, if you do not care, then WTF are you doing debating this?

That shows your frustration, and lack of reasoning ..

I do not care. To me, given your rather feeble attempt to defend the Taliban -- their ignorance and backwardness -- I do see you as a tacit supporter of terrorism against US. But you are like most -- all talk and no actions.

Wait what ? haha What i am suggesting that America with all its technology and Military might can take out OBL easily, which you guys didn't . this is not baseless arguments its just you are very very ignorant of the reality , Read the various accounts of Tora Bora and how America let OBL slip into Pakistan.

So now you resort to the technology argument? As if somehow we knows all and sees all? If that was true, we would not have invaded in Afghanistan in the first place. Ever thought of that?

...but rest of the world still thinks America is the biggest threat to Humanity .

Cite all the polls you want. The reality is that the rest of the world still count on US to maintain their security, whether their governments want to admit it or not.

You will leave Afghanistan defeated or fake victory like Vietnam .. but in the end I stand correct that You will eventually Leave Afghanistan, so why not save lives and leave now ? Obama made the right Decision when he left Iraq , which was another failure of American Policy and Strategy .

What we failed was to raise a country and a people out of the 7th century. From the way it have been so far, you guys seems very comfortable living in that time. So yes, I will admit our failure to mature a people.