Rise of "Islam" in the world

[53fd]

Again, we as Muslims must realize where the problem actually lies. The school of thought, whether Salafi, sunni, shia deobandi e.t.c. is not the problem as it is just a school of thought. No school of thought in traditional Islam advocated killing civilians or terrorism.

Infact, the much maligned wahabbis had back in the 1980s declared that suicide bombings is haram even if these were used by the Palestinians against Israel. Because simply, committing suicide is haram in Islam. So linking for example Boko Haram which regularly uses suicide attacks as being only because of some Wahabbi connection is misunderstanding the situation.

The problem that we SHOULD be concerned about is political Islamic ideology, and its particularly militant versions. These include non-violent groups like Hizbut Tahrir on one side and their militant counterparts like the Taliban and militant transnational groups like Al Qaeda.
We should realise that these calls of overthrowing the govt. and establishing a caliphate and top down shariah is not only problematic but also UnIslamic. It is contrary to traditional Islamic teachings and usually ends up with cynical people using Islam for their own power politics with the average people being fooled into supporting them.

And this as I mentioned applies not just to Muslims, but all religions. In the US, the Republican right wing that mixes religion with politics aka Rick Santorum types is a prime example that can run the US down into the ground. Similarly extremist Zionists are a counter part of political Judaic ideology where Judaism is an identity rather than being devout. Infact, many Zionists tend to be secular rather than religious.

If people compare these phenomenon then hopefully they will not be blindsided by the political religious nationalists of their own communities and tackle their ideologies and supporters. Because only their coreligionists can tackle such people effectively.

For those interested they can read more on this in this thread
http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...wered-questions-case-pakistan.html#post550583

The crux of my thread is not "Islamic" militancy, but extremist ideologies that eventually threaten the stability of societies of relatively secular nations.

You argue that Wahabism/Salafism is not the problem in itself, but militancy is, regardless of what ideology it is springing from. My post has a different focus: rather than focusing on the war torn regions, my focus is on the developed countries of the world where extremism from "Islamists" is on the rise. Places like Australia, Europe, America etc. These people are not bringing a revival to Islam, but threaten the stability & balance of peaceful nations.

And I would argue that the ideology from pan-Islamists IS the problem (regardless of whether they are advocating militancy or not). Whatever societies pan-Islamists govern result in backward, intolerant, chauvinistic, uneducated, impoverished ones. The fundamental problem with pan-Islamism/Salafism is that it is reformist. It believes the world has deviated so much from the true meaning of Islam, that they need to reform everything. They believe women should have a limited role in society, they believe education that goes against their understanding of Islam is haram. They think Shias & Sunni Barelvis, & Muslims around the world do biddat & shirk. They have a general belief that everything that did not happen in the Prophet(S)'s life is impermissible. So to summarize, yes, they are the problem.

Btw, I do not support Iran either, the way they have influenced Iraq, Syria, Lebanon & even Pakistan in terms of extremism is there to see. The concept of Taqleed is means for them to politically control the Shia Muslim population under one banner, a similar concept to "the caliphate" in Arab countries/pan-Islamist countries.

 

[DarkPrince]

You're talking treason here. A Bangladeshis loyalty must lie with the country first and foremost, and then with anyone else they desire, including God or prophets. You keep forgetting you're not living in an Islamic Republic.

There are lots of backward theocracies that you could choose to live in, but you had to migrate to the US. So ask yourself, why is the US at the forefront of human civilization? Among many other reasons, they achieved separation of religion from state hundreds of years ago!

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Who's perishing? You need a reality check bro.

they why r u in canada??

the way u r talking u r surely not a muslim

but plz give ur address when u ll back in BD

 

[Neuro]

Muslim Caliphates did pretty well in the past. Especially during the 'Golden era of Islam' where scientific achievements were plentiful. It was after the Mongol invasion did everything gradually started to fall apart. Many scientific records and knowledge were lost as the Mongol hordes destroyed everything in their path.

Western Colonialism only added insult to injury. And last but not the least, Muslim rulers and various barons fought one another. They were too busy building up military rather than funding scientific research.

As far as today is concerned, an Islamic Caliphate based on the thinking of the likes of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda is not feasible. In fact, it'd be destructive and set the world into the dark ages.

Saudi Arabia is based on Islamic culture. And Uncle Sam is busy selling them F-15 Eagles No harm there.

Bottom line: The Taliban and Al-Qaeda are mostly a bunch of rowdy thugs using religion as a means of propaganda to further their unholy goals.

We as Muslims must not live in the past, and by all means avoid Fitnah.

So what is feasible for Muslims around the world? Go with the flow of the world, and if any country has any good idea or contribution toward the world, they should go for it. Work hard, be straight forward and avoid having hidden agendas.

Even we made space shuttle and achieved lot in robotics ,nanotechnology,system and sythetic biology ,mechatronics etc but British invasion ruined everything and destroyed that records. Yes its true I am not lying .

 

[Kompromat]

No need for america to stop it. Someday it will run out of oil and it will grind to a halt. Inshallah.

You know who would actually grind to halt after the oil runs out !

 

[Zabaniyah]

The crux of my thread is not "Islamic" militancy, but extremist ideologies that eventually threaten the stability of societies of relatively secular nations.

You argue that Wahabism/Salafism is not the problem in itself, but militancy is, regardless of what ideology it is springing from. My post has a different focus: rather than focusing on the war torn regions, my focus is on the developed countries of the world where extremism from "Islamists" is on the rise. Places like Australia, Europe, America etc. These people are not bringing a revival to Islam, but threaten the stability & balance of peaceful nations.

And I would argue that the ideology from pan-Islamists IS the problem (regardless of whether they are advocating militancy or not). Whatever societies pan-Islamists govern are backward, intolerant, chauvinistic, uneducated, impoverished. The fundamental problem with pan-Islamism/Salafism is that it is reformist. It believes the world has deviated so much from the true meaning of Islam, that they need to reform everything. They believe women should have a limited role in society, they believe education that goes against their understanding of Islam is haram. They think Shias & Sunni Barelvis, & Muslims around the world do biddat & shirk. They have a general belief that everything that did not happen in the Prophet(S)'s life is impermissible. So yes, they are the problem.

Btw, I do not support Iran either, the way they have influenced Iraq, Syria, Lebanon & even Pakistan in terms of extremism is there to see. The concept of Taqleed is means for them to politically control the Shia Muslim population under one banner, a similar concept to "the caliphate" in Arab countries/pan-Islamist countries.

Good points. But in the end, those morons will fail one way or another.

Even we made space shuttle and achieved lot in robotics ,nanotechnology,system and sythetic biology ,mechatronics etc but British invasion ruined everything and destroyed that records. Yes its true I am not lying .

 

[shiv]

they why r u in canada??

the way u r talking u r surely not a muslim

but plz give ur address when u ll back in BD

personal threats on Interweb

are u a kindergarten

 

[Maira La]

they why r u in canada??

the way u r talking u r surely not a muslim

but plz give ur address when u ll back in BD

I'm in Canada because backward minded people are delaying development of a good world-class education system in Bangladesh.

Being a Muslim and advocating Islamic extremism are two totally different things buddy.


PS: Address? lol, I don't know you. But if you wanna talk, we can meet somewhere in Dhaka for sure.

 

[Subramanian]

Out of our 1400 year history, oil has only been discovered in Arab countries for less then 100 years. Unfortunately for you and your wet dreams, Islam is here to stay

yeah but there were no nukes also back then and partition also did not happen.

 

[jayron]

Even we made space shuttle and achieved lot in robotics ,nanotechnology,system and sythetic biology ,mechatronics etc but British invasion ruined everything and destroyed that records. Yes its true I am not lying .

you either need some help or I need some sense of humor. i don't know where you guys come up with such outrageous stories

 

[Maira La]

Even we made space shuttle and achieved lot in robotics ,nanotechnology,system and sythetic biology ,mechatronics etc but British invasion ruined everything and destroyed that records. Yes its true I am not lying .

Dude, he's not lying. I'm taking a course right now on the history of science and technology. During the "Dark Ages" (for Europe), the Arab and Persian empires were leading the world in science and tech. Yes, they teach such things in universities in the West! Let go of your prejudiced views on Muslim history.

 

[LaBong]

He's right though. Muslim societies were highly civilized compared to other contemporary societies (except Chinese, Indian, Japanese etc. which were on par or more civilized). Many Indians would like to think otherwise because of the way certain turkish/afghan warriors (like khilji) invaded India. But that's what warriors are good at, destruction!

While don't discredit the achievements during Golden age of Islam, but how much of those were actually Persian in nature?

 

[Neuro]

you either need some help or I need some sense of humor. i don't know where you guys come up with such outrageous stories

I think u should grow up , just take system biology complex /multifaceted approach then hw achivements possible in 17th century. He posted some idiotic lines I wrote some crap.

 

[Neuro]

Dude, he's not lying. I'm taking a course right now on the history of science and technology. During the "Dark Ages" (for Europe), the Arab and Persian empires were leading the world in science and tech. Yes, they teach such things in universities in the West! Let go of your prejudiced views on Muslim history.

See I am not in your league ok. tel me in wat way Arabs and persians lead the world??? tat in science and tech.Weird claim.

 

[KS]

He's right though. Muslim societies were highly civilized compared to other contemporary societies (except Chinese, Indian, Japanese etc. which were on par or more civilized). Many Indians would like to think otherwise because of the way certain turkish/afghan warriors (like khilji) invaded India. But that's what warriors are good at, destruction!

There was only one society that was well regarded in civilizational terms among the Muslim empires and that was the Persian empire. Though it might be worth noting that they were civilized long before they were Islamicized and were only continuing the tradition. Even the Arabs got the whiff of culture and civilization only from the Persians.

 

[DarkPrince]

I'm in Canada because backward minded people are delaying development of a good world-class education system in Bangladesh.

Being a Muslim and advocating Islamic extremism are two totally different things buddy.


PS: Address? lol, I don't know you. But if you wanna talk, we can meet somewhere in Dhaka for sure.

r u aazidane ???