Right-wing terror: Is India in denial?

[roadrunner]

Now that is making a mountain out of a molehill. A so called "saffron terror network" co-incidentally unearthed and being pursued by GoI authorities. And yet they are a bigger threat. Does it sound credible to any logical deduction?

Rahul Gandhi seems to think so. Do you think he is lying?

I am not scared of calling a spade a spade. Atleast those 'saffron networks' are not being outrageously blamed on any external/foreign hands. This home grown terror network is being pursued by Indian authorities and taken down! But saying that they present a threat greater than that being emanating from 'morally' supported groups in Pakistan is just ridiculous.

"In a conversation with US Ambassador Timothy Roemer in July last year, Rahul Gandhi is quoted as saying that while there is evidence of local support for the LeT in India, the greater threat for the country is the growth of radicalism within the Hindu community."

You are in denial of this. And they are not being taken down because those that investigate it, like Karkare, are mysteriously and conveniently disappearing..

Apart from Karkare, two other distinguished policemen were assasinated. Salaskar an encounter specialist who had killed numerous Mumbai gangsters was among those killed. One can create a spin about Mumbai underworld being involved in this 'drama' to specifically target Mr. Salaskar. That would be a hay making day for yet another group of delusional conspiracy theorists.

Believe what delusional theories you want, truth cannot and will not change. Unless you accept facts and act upon them, its your society which is heading a downward spiral, not India.

Such articles and these threads do nothing but feed conspiracy theories and nutcases believing in them.

You're the one that doesn't accept the facts that even the Gandhis are saying (though in private conversation), or that Indian personnel have been convicted of false flag operations to lay the blame at Muslims and Pakistan. For example, Samjhauta Express.

The one in denial here is you.

 

[SMC]

@SMC - US jumped the bandwagon against the SU only after Pakistan started supporting Mujaheedin! US was looking for opportunities, they simply couldnt jump in, in Afghanistan. Pakistani involvement gave the US an excellent opportunity which they took. I have no idea what kind of history you are being fed, but you do need to look at the chronology of events from a respected neutral source. Dont equate Taliban ideology with that of the Mujaheedin.

US didn't jump in, it was together with Pakistan from the start. In fact, they were supporting these guys even before Soviet invasion (as admitted by former US secretary of state). U.S. support for anti-Soviet and anti-Russian guerrilla movements and the undermining of democracy - page 2 | Demokratizatsiya

Perhaps you need to question history that you're being fed instead of questioning mine.

Also, believe it or not, US created the taliban ideology, even though taliban didn't exist as a group when that happened, by spreading radicalism in the region.

 

[gubbi]

Rahul Gandhi seems to think so. Do you think he is lying?

"In a conversation with US Ambassador Timothy Roemer in July last year, Rahul Gandhi is quoted as saying that while there is evidence of local support for the LeT in India, the greater threat for the country is the growth of radicalism within the Hindu community."

You are in denial of this. And they are not being taken down because those that investigate it, like Karkare, are mysteriously and conveniently disappearing..

Surprisingly for an icon of dynastic politics in India, Rahul Gandhi is quite green behind his ears! If you follow his statements and the political muddles he keeps getting into often, you would get an idea how immature he really is.

His statement to the US ambassador might be to curry some favors for his party or may be he really is very immature. Or this could be taken in the context of fears of radicalizing the Hindu population into support these fringe fundamentalists, just like religious support for a fundamentalist ideology in your country. That might be the fear behind his statement.

But cherry picking Mr. Karkare's assassination and giving it a conspiracy twist by blaming it on Hindu fundamentalists is really ridiculous. Why dont you rope in the Mumbai mafia while you are at it to explain Mr. Salaskar's killing?

You might not be aware, but accountability is still alive and kicking in India. Common man does not support these fundamentalists and hence you have the media and people (PILs) hounding these scumbags. Can you claim the same for Pakistan? When you put forth the ludicrous claim that investigators of these terrorist acts are being eliminated one by one, you conveniently ignore the fact that these cases are being prosecuted by the judiciary. How then is the govt or right wing trying to hide it?

You're the one that doesn't accept the facts that even the Gandhis are saying (though in private conversation), or that Indian personnel have been convicted of false flag operations to lay the blame at Muslims and Pakistan. For example, Samjhauta Express.

The one in denial here is you.

Show me where I have denied that this particular act was committed by Hindu fundamentalists? Au contraire you are concentrating on this particular act because your countrymen were among the victims. FYI, this group has also been blamed for the blasts in a Muslim majority locality of Malegaon and a Masjid in Hyderabad! So there.

But your accusation that Hindu fundamentalism presents a greater threat than Islamic fundamentalism is outrageous and unsubstantiated.

 

[roadrunner]

Surprisingly for an icon of dynastic politics in India, Rahul Gandhi is quite green behind his ears! If you follow his statements and the political muddles he keeps getting into often, you would get an idea how immature he really is.

His statement to the US ambassador might be to curry some favors for his party or may be he really is very immature. Or this could be taken in the context of fears of radicalizing the Hindu population into support these fringe fundamentalists, just like religious support for a fundamentalist ideology in your country. That might be the fear behind his statement.

But cherry picking Mr. Karkare's assassination and giving it a conspiracy twist by blaming it on Hindu fundamentalists is really ridiculous. Why dont you rope in the Mumbai mafia while you are at it to explain Mr. Salaskar's killing?

You might not be aware, but accountability is still alive and kicking in India. Common man does not support these fundamentalists and hence you have the media and people (PILs) hounding these scumbags. Can you claim the same for Pakistan? When you put forth the ludicrous claim that investigators of these terrorist acts are being eliminated one by one, you conveniently ignore the fact that these cases are being prosecuted by the judiciary. How then is the govt or right wing trying to hide it?

Of course. Rahul Gandhi is immature and just doesn't know what he's talking about. Being so dismissive about someone as popular and clearly more intelligent than you is more a demonstration of your immaturity by living in a state of perpetual denial.

Show me where I have denied that this particular act was committed by Hindu fundamentalists? Au contraire you are concentrating on this particular act because your countrymen were among the victims. FYI, this group has also been blamed for the blasts in a Muslim majority locality of Malegaon and a Masjid in Hyderabad! So there.

But your accusation that Hindu fundamentalism presents a greater threat than Islamic fundamentalism is outrageous and unsubstantiated.

Already 3 attacks you've admitted have been carried out by Hindu fundamentalists with the aim of blaming Muslims and Pakistan. It's quite easy to see the connections between these discoveries and the slowly unravelling Saffron terror network that Karkare was investigating and Gandhi talking about.

Btw can you not see how everything can be linked? Indian Mafia getting rid of their target, the Saffron Terror networks in the government getting rid of theirs. Are you naive enough to think Saffron terror cannot have links to India's underworld?

 

[gubbi]

Of course. Rahul Gandhi is immature and just doesn't know what he's talking about. Being so dismissive about someone as popular and clearly more intelligent than you is more a demonstration of your immaturity by living in a state of perpetual denial.

Yes, yes. I am being in denial

Already 3 attacks you've admitted have been carried out by Hindu fundamentalists with the aim of blaming Muslims and Pakistan. It's quite easy to see the connections between these discoveries and the slowly unravelling Saffron terror network that Karkare was investigating and Gandhi talking about.

Btw can you not see how everything can be linked? Indian Mafia getting rid of their target, the Saffron Terror networks in the government getting rid of theirs. Are you naive enough to think Saffron terror cannot have links to India's underworld?

Seriously, roadrunner

[sarcasm] I am disappoint [/sarcasm]

 

[Bang Galore]

Of course. Rahul Gandhi is immature and just doesn't know what he's talking about. Being so dismissive about someone as popular and clearly more intelligent than you is more a demonstration of your immaturity by living in a state of perpetual denial.

That's a right we earn in our democracy. Btw, go slow on the intelligence comparisons. Rahul Gandhi isn't in his position because he aced an entrance exam.

Already 3 attacks you've admitted have been carried out by Hindu fundamentalists with the aim of blaming Muslims and Pakistan. It's quite easy to see the connections between these discoveries and the slowly unravelling Saffron terror network that Karkare was investigating and Gandhi talking about.

Not really. There was no such aim & no one seems to be saying that the attacks were carried out for the express purpose of blaming Pakistan or Muslims in general. That happens when you have never had Hindu groups doing these acts before. You can be certain that any further attack on muslim targets & Hindu groups will be the first in the firing line. btw, the fact that the attack was blamed on an innocent muslim youth was purportedly the main reason for Swami Aseemanand's confession. Karkare was investigating only the Malegaon blasts, he simply didn't have the jurisdictional authority to investigate anything else. The fact that the Rajastan ATS has cracked this case open should point out the futility of an argument where Karkare was the be all & end all of all investigations. Why kill Karkare alone if the ATS of other states would anyway bear down on you & a new ATS of Maharashtra would come down on you with vengeance for killing one of their own. Absurd logic!

Btw can you not see how everything can be linked? Indian Mafia getting rid of their target, the Saffron Terror networks in the government getting rid of theirs. Are you naive enough to think Saffron terror cannot have links to India's underworld?

yeah right, you are probably going to argue next that the killer of Salman Taseer is probably linked to the "saffron terror network". There is no end to the wildness of your imagination. Or its cussedness.

 

[ajtr]

Aseemanand versus United Nations​

The confessions of the arrested Swami are contradictory to UN and US findings, writes rajinder puri
Last Saturday, accused Hindu terrorist Swami Aseemanand repeated before a magistrate his assertion that Hindutva radicals perpetrated the Samjhauta Express bomb blast. His confession made before the magistrate was recorded under Section 164 of the CRPC by the National Investigation Agency (NIA) which is probing the Samjhauta terror attack. That Hindu terrorists were involved in other terror strikes is entirely credible. But surely their involvement in the Samjhauta blast raises contradictions that cannot be swept under the carpet. However, the NIA appears to be proceeding with its probe on the basis of the Swami’s confession without a second thought. And most of the national media appears to be equally comfortable with the probe as it unfolds.
Should not at this early stage the findings of the US treasury department as well as the United Nations (UN) be also considered for uncovering the truth? In 2009, the US treasury department imposed sanctions on four Lashkar-e-Taiyyaba (LeT) operatives for organising the Samjhauta blast. The four named were Arif Qasmani, Fazeel-A-Tul Shaykh Abu Mohammed Ameen al-Peshawari, Mohammed Yahya Mujahid and Nasir Javaid. The US treasury stated: “The designated individuals have provided direct support to Al Qaida and LeT and have facilitated terrorist attacks, including the July 2006 train bombing in Mumbai.”
That is not all. The UN endorsed the US treasury findings on the basis of the evidence collected. On 29 June, the 1267 committee of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC), which mandated sanctions on the Al Qaida and the Taliban, froze assets, banned travel and imposed an arms embargo on Arif Qasmani, a Karachi businessman who it described as the “chief coordinator” for the Lashkar’s links with outside groups. It claimed that Qasmani provided “significant support for LeT terrorist operations.” In its Press release, the 1267 committee stated: “Qasmani has worked with LeT to facilitate terrorist attacks, to include the July 2006 train bombing in Mumbai, India, and the February 2007 Samjhauta Express bombing in Panipat, India. Qasmani utilised money that he received from Dawood Ibrahim, an Indian crime figure and terrorist supporter, to facilitate the July 2006 train bombing in Mumbai, India…Arif Qasmani has also provided financial and other support to Al Qaida.” According to the UN in return for providing support “Al Qaida provided Qasmani with operatives to support the July 2006 train bombing in Mumbai, India, and the February 2007 Samjhauta Express bombing in Panipat, India.”
The above assertions by the UN seem to be explicit enough. So what do these assertions make of Aseemanand’s confession? One presumes that the NIA and the national media are interested in uncovering the truth about the Samjhauta blast. Then why is so little attention being paid to the earlier assertions of the US treasury and the UN? If Aseemanand is correct, the UN was wrong. If the UN was correct, Aseemanand is wrong. Can such a glaring contradiction be ignored in any credible investigation? Surely the public deserves some explanation right away.

 

[roadrunner]

That's a right we earn in our democracy. Btw, go slow on the intelligence comparisons. Rahul Gandhi isn't in his position because he aced an entrance exam.

Choosing between Gubby's access to information and Gandhi's private worries, I'd say Gandhi would be more credible.

Not really. There was no such aim & no one seems to be saying that the attacks were carried out for the express purpose of blaming Pakistan or Muslims in general. That happens when you have never had Hindu groups doing these acts before. You can be certain that any further attack on muslim targets & Hindu groups will be the first in the firing line. btw, the fact that the attack was blamed on an innocent muslim youth was purportedly the main reason for Swami Aseemanand's confession. Karkare was investigating only the Malegaon blasts, he simply didn't have the jurisdictional authority to investigate anything else. The fact that the Rajastan ATS has cracked this case open should point out the futility of an argument where Karkare was the be all & end all of all investigations. Why kill Karkare alone if the ATS of other states would anyway bear down on you & a new ATS of Maharashtra would come down on you with vengeance for killing one of their own. Absurd logic!

In this case, Karkare was doing what all the other ATS agencies failed to do. Investigate the bombing/s properly. That investigation led to him upsetting people.

Why should anyone want to kill other ATS chiefs when they were not doing a proper investigation into Saffron Terror?

It is all the more coincidence that the attacks were staged in Mumbai which was under Karkare's jurisdiction, and he was the only ATS chief doing a proper investigation.

yeah right, you are probably going to argue next that the killer of Salman Taseer is probably linked to the "saffron terror network". There is no end to the wildness of your imagination. Or its cussedness.

Why can't Saffron Terror have links to the underworld? You think religious men don't?

 

[ajtr]

Cong ‘Sanghi terror’ thrust touches minority chord​

Jan. 23: For the first time in many years, almost all prominent Muslim religious organisations have come together to tacitly praise the Congress for removing the “terror blot” slapped on the country’s largest minority community.

The immediate ballast has been provided by the confession of Swami Aseemanand, the RSS pracharak and terror suspect. But the backdrop was set by the statements of Congress leaders such as Rahul Gandhi and Digvijay Singh who have been trying to the put radical Hindutva forces on the defensive over the terror attacks in Malegaon, Ajmer, Mecca Masjid and on the Samjhauta Express.

Following the revelations about Aseemanand, pro-Congress Muslim organisations like Jamiat-e-Ulema, which runs the Deoband seminary, feel vindicated. In March 2008, hundreds of Deobandi clerics had issues a fatwa against terrorism and suicide bombing, terming them “anti-Islamic”.

Other organisations like the radical Jamaat-e-Islami and the Islamic Centre had organsied nationwide seminars and awareness programmes to deny any link between religion and extremist violence.

Last Friday, over 50 religious groups and NGOs held a rally in Mumbai’s Azad Maidan targeting the “cult of Sanghi terror” while asking the UPA regime to release, compensate and rehabilitate “innocent Muslim youths” implicated in the blast cases.

In addition, a large number of Muslim delegations have been calling on Sonia Gandhi’s political secretary Ahmed Patel in Delhi.

Some members of these delegations told The Telegraph that while they had “thanked” the Congress leadership, they had also demanded an effective mechanism to check extremist elements and their sympathisers who seek shelter behind religious and cultural identities.

According to some politically inclined Muslim leaders, the Congress strategy to corner the RSS on Malegaon-Ajmer-Samjhauta blast accused, is aimed at regaining some political space in Uttar Pradesh where Assembly polls are due next year. These leaders feel the party is also putting this strategy to test in the coming Assembly polls in Assam, Bengal and Kerala which have a substantial Muslim electorate.

The calculations are that if Muslims back the UPA in the three election-bound states, it will queer the pitch for pro-minority parties such as the Samajwadi Party and the Bahujan Samaj Party in Uttar Pradesh.

The National Investigation Agency (NIA) is yet to wrap up its probe into various terror-related blasts that took place in 2007-08. But major Urdu dailies published from Lucknow, Hyderabad, Delhi, Bhopal and other cities have not only been publishing Aseemanand’s confession prominently but also lamenting that the “national” English media has been ignoring some “significant” developments.

At the Mumbai rally, Maulana Burhanuddin Qasmi said: “When Abdul Kaleem of Hyderabad and the imam of Haj House in Mumbai were arrested, it was national news and when they were released no one bothered in the media to make it news. This attitude of the media must change.”

The Urdu media has also been constantly reproducing AICC general secretary Digvijay Singh’s remark made at the Burari plenary when he had quoted some BJP leaders as saying that all Muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims.

Digvijay’s punch-line: “Can we apply the same logic and say that all Hindus are not terrorists but all Hindu terrorists arrested in various blast cases are RSS activists?” has become a significant statement in most editorials and news articles