Return to regionalism best way to improve ASEAN efficacy

[Nike]

for god-sake, ASEAN exist in the first place is not mean to satisfied all of her member National interest.

 

[LacViet]

regionalism of ASEAN is doesnt mean the region is puppet of China.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

ASEAN centrality as the core, embrace regionalism with ASEAN +3 and multilateralism with East Asia Summit. All for the best interest of ASEAN.

 

[TaiShang]

ASEAN is just a joke. VN join ASEAN to make sure that ASEAN wont be our enemy next time we have war bcz ASEAN was against VN invasion in Cambodia in 1979.

Sub-Mekong region is the only thing VN care abt. I also hope that Philippine can be our good ASEAN brother coz we have same enemy in SCS(east sea)

That's why you will never have de facto leadership in asean no matter what and never rally it against China. That's really what matters. Philippines will continue to view you as island grabbers, as well.

 

[NiceGuy]

That's why you will never have de facto leadership in asean no matter what and never rally it against China. That's really what matters. Philippines will continue to view you as island grabbers, as well.

Currency war is coming in abt 5 years, CN and none TPP ASEAN members will have to fight against each other to survive .

So, we dont need to rally those none TPP ASEAN members coz their economies will have to beat CN to again more export market. For example: Thailand will have to beat CN in EU market when both of u can not export to USA-CAD-Aussie etc

 

[TaiShang]

Currency war is coming in abt 5 years, CN and none TPP ASEAN members will have to fight against each other to survive .

So, we dont need to rally those none TPP ASEAN members coz their economies will have to beat CN to again more export market. For example: Thailand will have to beat CN in EU market when both of u can not export to USA-CAD-Aussie etc

Why is it not a currency war when Japan, South Korea and almost everybody else keep lowering their currency for years but suddenly a doom and gloom when China does so -- and when it is not even a dramatic devaluation?

China has economies of scale, yes, but, Japan and Korea are not minions, either.

 

[NiceGuy]

Why is it not a currency war when Japan, South Korea and almost everybody else keep lowering their currency for years but suddenly a doom and gloom when China does so -- and when it is not even a dramatic devaluation?

China has economies of scale, yes, but, Japan and Korea are not minions, either.

Bcz CN surrendered Senkaku to JP, TW to USA in 1979, so pple in the world consider CN is the servant of US-JP and deserve unfair treatment.

Now, CN want unfair treament, so, pple consider CN as a bad rebel trying to fight against its boss , dont forget what your boss said

 

[TaiShang]

Bcz CN surrendered Senkaku to JP, TW to USA in 1979, so pple in the world consider CN is the servant of US-JP and deserve unfair treatment.

I agree. That's why these historical anomalies need to be corrected. China is working for that end, comrade.

Now, CN want unfair treament, so, pple consider CN as a bad rebel trying to fight against its boss , dont forget what your boss said

he boss is also pretty much angry at us. Think "the Pivot." If we were good boys, the boss would not bother to construct a detailed plan to encircle us.

 

[NiceGuy]

I agree. That's why these historical anomalies need to be corrected. China is working for that end, comrade.
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Yeah, try to win if u can. US and its vassal state such as Thailand also called VN as 'terrorist' during VN war. They only shut their mouths up when we beat them in 1975

he boss is also pretty much angry at us. Think "the Pivot." If we were good boys, the boss would not bother to construct a detailed plan to encircle us

So, "life is not fair", US will try all way to take CN down. US create TPP to weaken CN export, TPP also make others none TPP members like Thailand has to beat CN to gain more market in EU since none TPP ASEAN members can not export to US-CAD-Aussie etc.

So, when TPP come out All ASEAN nations will turn to be CN's enemies, I see a little chance for CN to survive in this 'riots' against US

 

[Nike]

keep daydreaming, Chinese is still the largest trade partner for almost ASEAN member countries

 

[70U63]

Trolling, keep trolling while most of ASEAN members have too much internal shxt to deal with, and at least half of their leaders willing to sell their countries for their own benefit...

Ok, back to topic. It is best to have good working relationship with everyone, especially the big powers. Some members try to hijack ASEAN for their own interes instead of (weak) unity we have.

 

[Zero_wing]

That's why you will never have de facto leadership in asean no matter what and never rally it against China. That's really what matters. Philippines will continue to view you as island grabbers, as well.

Hey 50cent troll bit we dont view people like that china's mentality dont force it on us we view people differently

Trolling, keep trolling while most of ASEAN members have too much internal shxt to deal with, and at least half of their leaders willing to sell their countries for their own benefit...

Ok, back to topic. It is best to have good working relationship with everyone, especially the big powers. Some members try to hijack ASEAN for their own interes instead of (weak) unity we have.

Oh please save us your banter

 

[NiceGuy]

Hey 50cent troll bit we dont view people like that china's mentality dont force it on us we view people differently

True, VN and PH dont want , dont need and dont care to become " de facto leadership". If others ASEAN memeber dont wanna fight against CN, then " Fine ! Okay, just do whatever they want !"

And every one can see what happen to their (other ASEAN nations) economies when CN devalue it CNY. Only CN get benefit while others economies get worse

 

[Zero_wing]

True, VN and PH dont want , dont need and dont care to become " de facto leadership". If others ASEAN memeber dont wanna fight against CN, then " Fine ! Okay, just do whatever they want !"

And every one can see what happen to their (other ASEAN nations) economies when CN devalue it CNY. Only CN get benefit while others economies get worse

Am telling my fellow forumer ASEAN is talkshop forum its not the EU heck the EU is now down in the Tubes because of the major difference between member states so pursuing it sounds like great idea but its really hard to maintain we just using our rights in ASEAN because we see this not just a sovereignty issue but a regional issue but most are afraid to take a stand because many things can't blame them for that we can because they as member states have to look at the long line implications of this a whole under one country who will not follow international law is problematic disaster waiting to happen its like mankind has not learn anything from human history but what can we do interest still and is still the currency of the world but atless we did the right thing by putting up the alarms its up to the individual nations to make up what they want of the situation.

 

[NiceGuy]

Am telling my fellow forumer ASEAN is talkshop forum its not the EU heck the EU is now down in the Tubes because of the major difference between member states so pursuing it sounds like great idea but its really hard to maintain we just using our rights in ASEAN because we see this not just a sovereignty issue but a regional issue but most are afraid to take a stand because many things can't blame them for that we can because they as member states have to look at the long line implications of this a whole under one country who will not follow international law is problematic disaster waiting to happen its like mankind has not learn anything from human history but what can we do interest still and is still the currency of the world but atless we did the right thing by putting up the alarms its up to the individual nations to make up what they want of the situation.

Right, we should keep putting up the alarms. Other ASEAN nations keep turning their deaf ears ?? Okay, Fine ! we dont need them but we hope their investors (JP-US) should do the Right thing when hearing the alarm ring.

US-JP should pull out all of their investment from ASEAN nations that dont wanna stand up against CNese aggression and pour into VN-PH. Only VN-PH truly want to contain CN with US-JP