Religious Parties gather in Mardan to Demand Release of 33-Men Convicted in Mishaal Murder case

[AbuzarIlyas]

Yes he is
The corpse of Qadri hasn't even been properly decomposed yet and he is talking about glorifying another Qadri again

You flags they don't look like they are from a n Islamic® country

you can abuse qadri 1000 times and still it will not give relief to your soul but 1000 hangings will not stop the production of qadris until the law will punish blasphemers! it is loud and clear. Justice should be served or it will be served by someone. No one is more ghairatmand than Allah Kareem. He always protects the honor of his beloved Holy Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ والہ وسلم

Ok fair enough, so by what name should we address these illiterate religious fanatics that go around preaching hatred and intolerance in the name of Islam.

illiterate religious fanatics should be brought in mainstream by making atleast 100,000 seminaries with modern facilities. All provincial governments are eating trillions of rupees allocated to education budget and still we are making clerks in our education system. Who gave weapons to a specific sect in 80's and 90's for proxy wars? Queen victoria, her predecessors and successors funded and raised a "distorted and extremist" version of Islam in 17, 18 and 1900s... we are still fighting those fatwa factories. Daesh and TTP are their latest product?

Can we demand these seculars to condemn such acts of British crown and later CIA??? Abusing mullah and creating anti Islam for a handsome package in west is the easiest thing!

 

[Zibago]

you can abuse qadri 1000 times and still it will not give relief to your soul but 1000 hangings will not stop the production of qadris until the law will punish blasphemers! it is loud and clear. Justice should be served or it will be served by someone. No one is more ghairatmand than Allah Kareem. He always protects the honor of his beloved Holy Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ والہ وسلم


illiterate religious fanatics should be brought in mainstream by making atleast 100,000 seminaries with modern facilities. All provincial governments are eating trillions of rupees allocated to education budget and still we are making clerks in our education system. Who gave weapons to a specific sect in 80's and 90's for proxy wars? Queen victoria, her predecessors and successors funded and raised a "distorted and extremist" version of Islam in 17, 18 and 1900s... we are still fighting those fatwa factories. Daesh and TTP are their latest product?

Can we demand these seculars to condemn such acts of British crown and later CIA??? Abusing mullah and creating anti Islam for a handsome package in west is the easiest thing!

That's exactly what terrorists say its upto the more saner elements of society to not bow before their demands

 

[M. Sarmad]

... No one is more ghairatmand than Allah Kareem. He always protects the honor of his beloved Holy Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ والہ وسلم

Indeed, No one is more ghairatmand than Allah Kareem and he in the Holy Qur'an tells us to ignore blasphemers and leave their matter to him !!

 

[jamal18]

This is not to do with Liberals/Islam. This is to do with behavior and abiding by the law.

If people are allowed to lynch anybody because of their beliefs, then nobody is safe.

 

[T-Faz]

Army should step in and provide 10,000 Rupees to each protestor. Should solve the problem until next month.

 

[MBT 3000]

Yes he is
The corpse of Qadri hasn't even been properly decomposed yet and he is talking about glorifying another Qadri again

You flags they don't look like they are from a n Islamic® country

yeah you have any problem? but he didnt say anything about qadri

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Source please? Or how do you deduce this?

* Declared Islam Republic
* Various laws enforce Islamic concepts
* Various laws discriminate against non Muslims
* Blasphemy is serious offence. Crowds take law into their own hands.
* The state uses religion at every intersection.
* Etc etc.

And this proves Pakistan is full of pseudo-liberals? More like it is drowning in pseudo mullahs Islamists.

Because I have read "Liberalism" and "Islam" - BOTH.

I follow the behaviours of both carrying respective flags. Both groups have pseudos of their own, but Islamists have more than Liberals.

 

[Menace2Society]

The state is too soft on these types. Should be charged with terrorism and sent to military courts.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Because I have read "Liberalism" and "Islam" - BOTH.

I follow the behaviours of both carrying respective flags. Both groups have pseudos of their own, but Islamists have more than Liberals.

In Pakistan liberalism does not exist. It is as rare in Pakistan as oxygen is on the Moon. I am always amused when people talk about liberals in pakistan. It's like what the fcuk? The Pakistani state is a

* declared Islamic republic where sovereignt exists with Allah
* Muslim/non Muslim is a major factor in the working of the state.
* Ahmedi's have been declared as non Muslim by the state confirming the religious domince.
* a non Muslim cannot be the head of the state.
* Homosexuality is illegal
* most of the personal law is informed by Islamic principles
* there is a appelate Shariat branch court
* alchohol is illegal informed by Islamic laws
* blasphemy carries serious punishment including death but limited to and protection to Islam
* at every corner religion is pumped in peoples orifices.

And after all this I am told that Pakistan has pseudo-liberals forget about liberals. If thee are any they arer either hiding or as rare as water in desert. The fact is Pakistan has over the decades become state that has heavily fallen under the sway of religious forces reflecting the wider Pakistani society where one wrong rumour remotely carrying tinge of offence againsat Islam will have you torn apart like a animal by wild mobs driven by religious zeal - Maashal Khan being a good example of this. Fact is Pakistan is the exposition of a Islamic Republic.


Of course the purists will disagree. They want the state to get even more does of "Islam". But fact is Pakistan is a prime example of a Islamic Republic. As much as Soviet Union was of communist peoples republic, as much as UK of a liberal democracy with a consitutional monarchy, as much as USA is of rampent capitalist republic, as much as China is a communist/Confucianistic one party state.

 

[Enigma_]

In Pakistan liberalism does not exist. It is as rare in Pakistan as oxygen is on the Moon. I am always amused when people talk about liberals in pakistan. It's like what the fcuk? The state is a

* declared Islamic republic where sovereignt exists with Allah
* Muslim/non Muslim is a major factor in the working of the state.
* Ahmedi's have been declared as non Muslim by the state confirming the religious domince.
* a non Muslim cannot be the head of the state.
* Homosexuality is illegal
* most of the personal law is informed by Islamic principles
* there is a appelate Shariat branch court
* alchohol is illegal informed by Islamic laws
* blasphemy carries serious punishment including death but limited to and protection to Islam
* at every corner religion is pumped in peoples orifices.

And after all this I am told that Pakistan has pseudo-liberals forget about liberals. If thee are any they arer either hiding or as rare as water in desert. The fact is Pakistan has over the decades become state that has heavily fallen under the sway of religious forces reflecting the wider Pakistani society where one wrong rumour remotely carrying tinge of offence againsat Islam will have you torn apart like a animal by wild mobs driven by religious zeal - Maashal Khan being a good example of this. Fact is Pakistan is the exposition of a Islamic Republic.


Of course the purists will disagree. They want the state to get even more does of "Islam". But fact is Pakistan is a prime example of a Islamic Republic. As much as Soviet Union was of communist peoples republic, as much as UK of a liberal democracy with a consitutional monarchy, as much as USA is of rampent capitalist republic, as much as China is a communist/Confucianistic one party state.

Yeah the whole liberal gimmick is a joke for a country like Pakistan.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

In Pakistan liberalism does not exist. It is as rare in Pakistan as oxygen is on the Moon. I am always amused when people talk about liberals in pakistan. It's like what the fcuk? The Pakistani state is a

* declared Islamic republic where sovereignt exists with Allah
* Muslim/non Muslim is a major factor in the working of the state.
* Ahmedi's have been declared as non Muslim by the state confirming the religious domince.
* a non Muslim cannot be the head of the state.
* Homosexuality is illegal
* most of the personal law is informed by Islamic principles
* there is a appelate Shariat branch court
* alchohol is illegal informed by Islamic laws
* blasphemy carries serious punishment including death but limited to and protection to Islam
* at every corner religion is pumped in peoples orifices.

And after all this I am told that Pakistan has pseudo-liberals forget about liberals. If thee are any they arer either hiding or as rare as water in desert. The fact is Pakistan has over the decades become state that has heavily fallen under the sway of religious forces reflecting the wider Pakistani society where one wrong rumour remotely carrying tinge of offence againsat Islam will have you torn apart like a animal by wild mobs driven by religious zeal - Maashal Khan being a good example of this. Fact is Pakistan is the exposition of a Islamic Republic.


Of course the purists will disagree. They want the state to get even more does of "Islam". But fact is Pakistan is a prime example of a Islamic Republic. As much as Soviet Union was of communist peoples republic, as much as UK of a liberal democracy with a consitutional monarchy, as much as USA is of rampent capitalist republic, as much as China is a communist/Confucianistic one party state.

Please read your post from different angle, and you will understand why I used the term "Pseudo-Liberals" (i.e., those who are NOT Liberals but pretend to be). ......and there are lots of them - more than Pseudo-Islamists.

(BTW: the bullet points in your post have nothing to do with Liberalism).

 

[Indus Pakistan]

(BTW: the bullet points in your post have nothing to do with Liberalism).

The bullet points confirm that there are more pseudo Islamists. Those points have been injected into the state polity by this group kowtowing to the real Islamists.

Liberalism like I said is as rare in Pakistan as oxgen is on the Moon.

 

[El Sidd]

The bullet points confirm that there are more pseudo Islamists. Those points have been injected into the state polity by this group kowtowing to the real Islamists.

Liberalism like I said is as rare in Pakistan as oxgen is on the Moon.

Liberalism has no hope in public sphere in Pakistan.

I agree.

Its because we have too many culturally conservatives yet secular people.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Its because we have too many culturally conservatives yet secular people.

I disagree. You can be culturally conservative but have no issues with liberalism as it allows you to behave how you want. I am culturally conservative which means within my private space/family certain behaviour is expected. However I do not expect the state to enforce my values on others. If next door neighbour allows his wife to walk around in mini-skirt or his daughter be a Essex girl that is fine by me.Or he gets drunk as long as he stays out of my private space.

The problem in Pakistan is mullahs who have found out that they can gain immense power by using religion. The ruling elite have figured religion can literally [to quote Marx] be used as a drug to fool the masses. This has created a elite plus mullah alliance. The mullah use religion to dope the public and are given power by the elite - the elite of course get on what they like. Raping the public. And you see the illgotten gains of our elite in Dubai, London Zurich.

It's just one big racket going on.

 

[El Sidd]

I disagree. You can be culturally conservative but have no issues with liberalism as it allows you to behave how you want. I am culturally conservative which means within my private space/family certain behaviour is expected. However I do not expect the state to enforce my values on others. If next door neighbour allows his wife to walk around in mini-skirt or his daughter be a Essex girl that is fine by me.

The problem in Pakistan is mullahs who have found out that they can gain immense power by using religion. The ruling elite have figured religion can literally [to quote Marx] be used as a drug to fool the masses. This has created a elite plus mullah alliance. The mullah use religion to dope the public and are given power by the elite - the elite of course get on what they like. Raping the public. And you see the illgotten gains of our elite in Dubai, London Zurich.

It's just one big racket going on.

Most of the ruling elite is culturally conservatives who were given gains by the british after 1857. This was in parallel by divide and rule policy.

I would love to agree with you but i simply cannot based on ground realities.

You can pick any Politician. He will be culturally conservative yet secular. They simply use the mullah to keep the divide and rule going among the masses. Look the Potential of that muslim force died because culturally conservative yet secular people although it had nothing to do with religion.

As far as the dress code goes. The state recommends shalwar kameez in keeping up with resoect to local culture. You may may see that as religious or culturally conservative depends on your own satisfaction. You can go both ways. Its your liberal choice.

You can be given figures as to how much bloodshed is done by ethno fascists towing that line. And those killed solely for religious abomination.

The honor killings are cultural phenomenon not religious.