Religion vs. Reason

[Naofumi]

I am not sure about this. I thought it was the Greeks. But you can correct me with some articles.

 

[Cliftonite]

Lol at claims that it was Muslims who first proved that the Earth is round. Mujhe 5 minute nahi lagain inn bogus claims ka tiya paancha karne mein but I don't want to get banned.

 

[Psychic]

ok, i dont even gonna touch this topic with a 10ft pole, but all this muslim golden age crap is spoon-fed too oversimplified to the masses. Anyone care to study why was this golden age so short lived and then utterly destroyed?? anyone care to study what happened to the muslim scientists of that era?? were they so appreciated in their own time like they are today?? or were they the subject of fatwas and witch hunted by molvis of their time ? Muslims today will never rise to any significance because we are too proud to see things objectively and admit our own shortcomings.

Whats the golden age of the West?

300 years now approx; at best 400 years. And you call Islamic golden age to be of a short lifespan (at least 8 centuries)

 

[Cliftonite]

Whats the golden age of the West?

300 years now approx; at best 400 years. And you call Islamic golden age to be of a short lifespan (at least 8 centuries)

Golden age of West goes back to Aristotle

 

[jamahir]

Thanks. I will take some time to understand this because I am not good at maths.

@The Accountant, please watch this vid.

@Cliftonite

 

[Naofumi]

I am not good at maths.

I don't want to brag but my math skills are quite above average..

 

[Psychic]

Lol at claims that it was Muslims who first proved that the Earth is round. Mujhe 5 minute nahi lagain inn bogus claims ka tiya paancha karne mein but I don't want to get banned.

Greeks discovered that first. That however doesnot change the fact that Muslim scientists covered that topic in great detail.

" Biruni (973 - 1048) developed a new method using trigonometric calculations to compute earth's radius and circumference based on the angle between the horizontal line and true horizon from a mountain top with known height. He calculated the height of the mountain by going to two points at sea level with a known distance apart and then measuring the angle between the plain and the top of the mountain for both points.

Biruni's estimate of 6,339.9 km for the Earth radius had an error of 0.0026 and was 16.8 km less than the current value of 6,356.7 km. "

 

[Cliftonite]

Thanks. I will take some time to understand this because I am not good at maths.

@The Accountant, please watch this vid.

@Cliftonite

I know about the guy. He used to live in Ancient Egypt. Greek by ancestry though.

Greeks discovered that first. That however doesnot change the fact that Muslim scientists covered that topic in great detail.

" Biruni (973 - 1048) developed a new method using trigonometric calculations to compute earth's radius and circumference based on the angle between the horizontal line and true horizon from a mountain top with known height. He calculated the height of the mountain by going to two points at sea level with a known distance apart and then measuring the angle between the plain and the top of the mountain for both points.

Biruni's estimate of 6,339.9 km for the Earth radius had an error of 0.0026 and was 16.8 km less than the current value of 6,356.7 km. "

Abay aqalmand. Greek golden age was 1500 years before Islamic golden age.

And @Psychic mere bhai yeh bhi dekhna ke kitna Islamic golden age ke scholars atheists thay aur un ke khilaaf kitne fatwa jaari hochukay thay.

 

[Iltutmish]

Golden age of West goes back to Aristotle

Why not back to Troy or the Bronze Age? See I don’t care if you are agnostic or whatever but in every thread you try to belittle Islam and its history. This I cannot stand, now you are claiming that the West is in a constant golden age. Ever heard of the collapse of the Roman Empire? The dark ages?

 

[Naofumi]

The dark ages?

And this was caused by Christian clergy.

 

[Psychic]

Abay aqalmand. Greek golden age was 1500 years before Islamic golden age.

And @Psychic mere bhai yeh bhi dekhna ke kitna Islamic golden age ke scholars atheists thay aur un ke khilaaf kitne fatwa jaari hochukay thay.

Greeks saw decline...so did the Romans.

Since you're going back to Greeks why not bring Egyptians, Babylonians and Mayans as well to "prove" your point...

The dark ages were called the dark ages for a reason in the West. Islam came 1400 years ago and ruled an empire(s) twice as large as Rome at its zeenith.

mere bhai yeh bhi dekhna ke kitna Islamic golden age ke scholars atheists thay aur un ke khilaaf kitne fatwa jaari hochukay thay.

Bunk.

 

[Cliftonite]

Why not back to Troy or the Bronze Age? See I don’t care if you are agnostic or whatever but in every thread you try to belittle Islam and its history. This I cannot stand, now you are claiming that the West is in a constant golden age. Ever heard of the collapse of the Roman Empire? The dark ages?

Can you police my thoughts? Can you get inside my head and try to change my thinking?

The West is in many ways better than the Muslim world because it gives women equal rights in all sense of the word (not that benevolent misogyny women are like pearls), it considers LGBT people as human beings and it allows freedom of differing opinions and different beliefs for religious minorities. All of which is severely lacking in the Muslim world

 

[Naofumi]

Islam came 1400 years ago and ruled an empire(s) twice as large as Rome at its zeenith.

And then post-enlightenment Europeans ruled practically all of the world.

 

[Iltutmish]

Can you police my thoughts? Can you get inside my head and try to change my thinking?

Don’t expect love from me if you hate on Islam. You can apply for an Indian visa if you hate the evil backwards Muslims so much. Just claim to be a transgender Homo-Agnostic-Hindu who wants to have an abortion ASAP, you will be fine.

The West is in many ways better than the Muslim world because it gives women equal rights in all sense of the word (not that benevolent misogyny women are like pearls), it considers LGBT people as human beings and it allows freedom of differing opinions and different beliefs for religious minorities. All of which is severely lacking in the Muslim world

Mullahs talk trash all day long. And the „pearl“ metaphor is just BS. Women have rights in Islam, but the Islam in Pakistan is mostly a Hindu Derivate which has no basis. No girl inherits Land from her father, why? But this is a cultural problem and not a religious one. But for you every problem of Pakistan is an ISLAMIC one. This is just unfair and evil.

it considers LGBT people as human beings

Come on, if you want to sleep with your boyfriend do it privately and not in the public and don’t expect the Muslims to love what you do. Problem solved?

 

[Psychic]

And then post-enlightenment Europeans ruled practically all of the world.

Since 1918.
1890 at best.
Muslim decline only started in the 18th century. Somehow, all those eleven centuries preceding that decline are ignored by people like you for the sake of convenience.

Focusing on real problems like poverty, economy and education will help Muslims; Our problems will remain as they are if we are in a delusion that belittling religion and pushing for gay marriages will make problems go away.