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Relax: China’s First Aircraft Carrier is a Piece of Junk

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Another naysayer of Chinese carrier program. The article is pretty garbage but the comments are actually quite interesting.

Relax: China’s First Aircraft Carrier is a Piece of Junk | Danger Room | Wired.com

Leaving aside her modest size compared to American carriers, her incomplete air wing and escort force and the fact that she’ll sail without the company of allied flattops, Shi Lang could be even less of a threat than her striking appearance implies. Shi Lang’s greatest potential weakness could be under her skin, in her Ukrainian-supplied engines.

Powerplants — that is, jet engines for airplanes, turbines for ships — are some of the most complex, expensive and potentially troublesome components of any weapon system. Just ask the designers of the Pentagon’s F-35 stealth fighter and the U.S. Navy’s San Antonio-class amphibious ships. Both have been nearly sidelined by engine woes.

China has struggled for years to design and build adequate powerplants for its ships and aircraft. Although Chinese aerospace firms are increasingly adept at manufacturing airframes, they still have not mastered motors. That’s why the new WZ-10 attack helicopter was delayed nearly a decade, and why there appear to be two different prototypes for the J-20 stealth fighter. One flies with reliable Russian-made AL-31F engines; the other apparently uses a less trustworthy Chinese design, the WS-10A.

For Shi Lang, China reportedly purchased turbines from Ukraine. Though surely superior to any ship engines China could have produced on its own, the Ukrainian models might still be unreliable by Western standards. Russia’s Kuznetsov, also fitted with Ukrainian turbines, has long suffered propulsion problems that have forced her to spend most of her 30-year career tied to a pier for maintenance. When she does sail, a large tugboat usually tags along, just in case the carrier breaks down.

If Shi Lang is anything like her sister, she could turn out to be a naval version of the mythical “Potemkin village” — an impressive facade over a rickety interior.

“As China’s interests expand globally, the Chinese navy needs to go further outbound, and an aircraft carrier is needed,” said Arthur Ding, from National Chengchi University in Taiwan. If so, China might have to wait for the carrier after the potentially hollow Shi Lang.
 
Wired's Dangerroom is basically computer nerds trying to do war by looking at hardware and gadgets.
 
Of course, it is a piece of garbage compared to the newest American supercarrier, that's why it will only serve as a training carrier.
 
whatever it is, i guess it's not for sale. pretty soon, i guess the americans just have to sell their carriers with a price of junk metal.

in new york, i've heard of "nobody beats the wiz," after several years i've found out: bankruptcy did.
 
This article is a great piece against the supposed "China Threat". I don't see why you guys don't like it.
 
This article is a great piece against the supposed "China Threat". I don't see why you guys don't like it.

I'm not insulted but I am not a fan of the Dangerroom's articles in general. As I said above, they analyse war and conflict, the same way they review the new iPad or a new graphics card. They are usually distracted by the shiny stuff like jets where they can compare numbers the way they do computers. Things like thrust (kN), or range (miles), versus processing speed (mHz) or screen quality (dpi).

I had a ECE roommate who was really annoying with this kind of stuff.
 
I'm ECE and I'm annoyed by this stuff.

We're not nerds.

Well I should say then my old roommate was an annoying ECE, who was obsessed with gadgets. I used to be bombarded with useless information, that he was very very excited about and I couldn't give a damn about.
 
This article is a great piece against the supposed "China Threat". I don't see why you guys don't like it.

Lol, good point. Maybe Global Times should start an editorial piece with "according to foreign media ..."
 
Well I should say then my old roommate was an annoying ECE, who was obsessed with gadgets. I used to be bombarded with useless information, that he was very very excited about and I couldn't give a damn about.

Usually the ones hyping about gadgets tends to lean towards the compsys side. There's the book nerds and there's the gadget/computer nerds

You should come up with a counter. Maybe recite the periodic table or chaining up plausible sounding chemical compounds.
 
Usually the ones hyping about gadgets tends to lean towards the compsys side. There's the book nerds and there's the gadget/computer nerds

You should come up with a counter. Maybe recite the periodic table or chaining up plausible sounding chemical compounds.

lol that would have been an idea, but I couldn't be bothered. Most of the time I just feign interest and nod. I liked talking to my British pre-law roommate better most of the time. He was really into politics.
 
You say that you carrier i a piece of junk because you don't saw our NAe A12 São Paulo, the A-12 is a piece of junk not the Varyag of the PLA Navy
 
We should encourage them to keep thinking china is a piece of junk.
It will suit the interest of china.:tup:
This artical is very good indeed.
 
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