Red Metro Bus (Lahore /Islamabad / Multan) running on unrealistic low rates

[prashantazazel]

Only a stunted growth will compare fares in western countries with fares in Pakistan. ---- stunted growth should know the difference in purchasing power.

Also the all time favorite comparison with India, stunted growth deliberately forgot this time. --- delhi metro fare 10-60, mumbai metro 10-40 indian rupee ( if an Indian member could confirm this)

Delhi metro fare is min 9rs and max 50 rs.
There is a 10 per cent discount in off peak hours.
These are the rates after the latest hike.
It runs
a profit at these rates.

Edit-it has a significant operational profit.

But if you account for depreciation and loan payments, it runs a nominal loss. Attaching a profit and loss statement in the interest of the discussion.

 

[shah_123]

There are no subsidies , you work and you pay your bus, car, truck , train expense to get to work

Only Pakistan has this Subsidy culture

Every thing in West is Charged at 100% Full price plus 15-20% Tax
If you can't afford it buy the cheaper brand or buy less

either you are totally ignorant or you are just trying to fool ---- from your very own West:
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The government spends over £5bn on public transport subsidies, which is around double the amount spent on NHS A&E services across the country. https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-expensive-transport-problem-subsidies-london

Delhi metro fare is min 9rs and max 50 rs.
There is a 10 per cent discount in off peak hours.
These are the rates after the latest hike.
It runs a profit at these rates.

Thank you.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

India is making 100 billion surplus we are not
we need to charge a rate which can sustain Bus Projects in each city from own revenue

Pakistani Bus System is not at a level deemed expensive requiring Subsidies

• 10 Tickets lasting 1 week , is decent rate for 2,000 rupee

 

[shah_123]

China gives subsidy of approx.120 billion usd and Europe 70 billion euros on rails.
@AZADPAKISTAN2009
Kaan chitta ey.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well one day when Pakistan will make a surplus of 40-50 billion they can give a discount on Travel

Not now when we are knee deep in debt



Lahore Metro : Need to make money
Islamabad Metro : Need to make money
Multan Metro : Need to make money


Lahore Metro Train : Needs to make money
Peshawar Bus Service : Needs to make money


Karachi circular railways : Need to make money
Karachi / Sindh Buses : Need to make money


The model has to run on (for profit) basis not charity



Railways : Need to make money

PIA : Needs to make money


Steeles mills : Need to be restarted to make money

 

[shah_123]

India is making 100 billion surplus we are not
we need to charge a rate which can sustain Bus Projects in each city from own revenue

Pakistani Bus System is not at a level deemed expensive requiring Subsidies

• 10 Tickets lasting 1 week , is decent rate for 2,000 rupee

But your West is making loses.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

But your West is making loses.

West makes 60-400 Billion in Surplus it's not fair to compare the perks they give back

When you take IMF loan you can't be giving out "Perks" to people. Priority is to make Profit from every project which completes


Country Takes IMF Loan ----> Completes Projects with Money ---> Makes Profit --->Gives back money and becomes debt free

Country that collects Taxes --->Makes profit --> Give some % back to citizens (Tax return, Pension plan/ Discounts) ------>Grows



We take IMF loan for last 40 years , we are not in position to give out perks

*Even so some effort would be made to help Social sector with Low income worker support
* Support for hospitals

 

[shah_123]

West makes 60-400 Billion in Surplus it's not fair to compare the perks they give back

When you take IMF loan you can't be giving out "Perks" to people. Priority is to make Profit from every project which completes


Country Takes IMF Loan ----> Completes Projects with Money ---> Makes Profit --->Gives back money and becomes debt free

Country that collects Taxes --->Makes profit --> Give some % back to citizens (Tax return, Pension plan/ Discounts) ------>Grows



We take IMF loan for last 40 years , we are not in position to give out perks

*Even so some effort would be made to help Social sector with Low income worker support
* Support for hospitals

1) first you said that west doesn't give subsidy on public transport, you got it wrong.
2) Now you say that country taking loans can't give perks to people ---- One of your Western country America has a trade deficit of 700-800 billion usd, they also take loans to balance out things, how come they give perks.
3) Delhi metro runs in loss, read their financial statements.
4) your govt policies have slowed down the economy, forget about taxes.
5) loans on Riba will never be a success, you are at war with ALLAH swt and Prophet Muhammad saw.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Pakistan economically can't be compared with USA , China or even India

Well you want your country to not take loan , give Khutba in Jumma Prayer for people to Pay Taxes , pay more then what is due

Molwi Hazrat will get no 40 Lakh Rupee for just standing on roof top to sight a moon sighting which takes 10 minutes

 

[American Pakistani]

Yeah and for those export oriented business, for electricity use candle light and for gas use the gas which fills baloons .....

Be self sufficient. Electricity generation using solar tech. For many industries you don't really need gas and instead electricity can be utilized.

2) Now you say that country taking loans can't give perks to people ---- One of your Western country America has a trade deficit of 700-800 billion usd, they also take loans to balance out things, how come they give perks.

Seriously? You comparing Pakistan with US?

US can print $$$, can you?

 

[shah_123]

Be self sufficient. Electricity generation using solar tech. For many industries you don't really need gas and instead electricity can be utilized.



Seriously? You comparing Pakistan with US?

US can print $$$, can you?

I am not comparing, I am against comparison, I just responded to a post making comparison.

and btw, subsidy to local people is given in Pak rupees and not dollars.

 

[maithil]

Public Transport has to be subsidized by govt. Otherwise these wont be affordable.

 

[S.Y.A]

Note world wide the standard rate for bus is 1.5 Dollar to 2.0 Dollar
Which comes to about 200 Rupees per trip

Western world's per capita income is also much higher than ours from where do you get such awesome ideas btw? ideas that are mostly focused on wiping out the lower and middle class of PAksitan.

Present Pakistan , lacks Electricity so businesses were forced to shut down at 5 pm and many industrial complex only operate 8 hours

nope. which world are you living in? most work round the clock. a lot of labour has to put in over time.

Not getting by , seek out 2nd Job in evening shift

I will say it again, you are an idiot. most people who cannot get by are already working for than 12 hours each day. a lot of the factories are running on overtime.

>Textile
>Energy Plants running/output
>Steel Factories /Railways/PIA can run 24 hours a day

a lot of these things already run for nearly 18 - 24 hrs.

Every one drinks a Pepsi Drink right ?
So bus fare will be close to 200 rupee just bit more then cost of pepsi

pepsi costs 85rs. and 4-5 people use one bottle. your math is seriously flawed.

Public Don't have problem to spend 10 dollar for their Motor bike fuel cost every day
so if they have to pay just 2 dollar it is actually saving them money

Motor Bike fuel costs 2$ for 2-3 days. not 10$ for 1 day. bhai kahan say nikaal kar latay ho yeh numbers.?

Karachi circular railways : Need to make money
Karachi / Sindh Buses : Need to make money

KCR isnt operational. other buses are private. again, your information is deeply flawed.

pay more then what is due

Are you doing that?

 

[jupiter2007]

Pakistanis need to wake up from their subsidy culture and start paying what it cost in real world

• Spend less on none essentials

Not getting by , seek out 2nd Job in evening shift

Why are you comparing orange to apples?
It’s a sky and earth difference between western countries and Pakistan. Pakistan is a undeveloped country where 40% of population lives under 2 dollar a day. Mass transit system is mainly for poor people, not for rich because rich people have cars and bikes. How can poor people afford 200 rupees per trip.
We need to industrialize the country and create jobs and reduce indirect taxes or create a system where federal taxes is limited and provincial or city taxes.

 

[Pubg1]

Only a stunted growth will compare fares in western countries with fares in Pakistan. ---- stunted growth should know the difference in purchasing power.

Also the all time favorite comparison with India, stunted growth deliberately forgot this time. --- delhi metro fare 10-60, mumbai metro 10-40 indian rupee ( if an Indian member could confirm this)

You can't compare a bus system to a metro train system with significant expensive underground stretches . The investments are totally different.
Delhi metro has a max of 50 inr for distances exceeding 32 km.
Delhi metro also has to pay back loans to the Japan infra corporation, so can't run at a loss.
But public transport has to be subsidised as main aim is to give affordable transport to the common man.