Reason Why Army men beaten motor way police officers?

[Finer]

The police lay out their side in the charge sheet quite clearly. Those are serious charges indeed. Let's see what the formal due process concludes and what justice is provided.

The odds are in favor of Motorway police, but it is imperative that the process must be respected for the sake of system, that way guilty party will be forced to respect the unbiased decision after the investigation process completes.

That being said, i have yet to hear from Motorway police since Army man has already clarified his position while the investigation is on-going which results conflict of interest until Motorway police is allowed to air his clarified position to balance out.

 

[VCheng]

The odds are in favor of Motorway police, but it is imperative that the process must be respected for the sake of system, that way guilty party will be forced to respect the unbiased decision after the investigation process completes.

That being said, i have yet to hear from Motorway police since Army man has already clarified his position while the investigation is on-going which results conflict of interest until Motorway police is allowed to air his clarified position to balance out.

There is no rush, but justice delayed is justice denied. Let the due process conclude. Sure.

 

[AsifIjaz]

In all the posts across 2 threads I have agreed with most of what you have said... But let me say this that since day one I have seen majority of the people accepting or quoting the narrative put forth by the motorway police. This might be based upon either out love for the armed forces (which got bruised due to the officers in question) or because of the simmering discontent due to the armed forces role beyond the barracks which is compounded and / or more fuel is added to it by people amongst us.

The fact that no speeding tickets have been issued speaks loudly. When the car tried to evade police after speeding, there was no way the police would know who was driving the offending vehicle. Until that point, the offences had already been committed by the army officer. What happened after that only compounded the conduct unbecoming. What the QRF did is even worse by aiding and abetting criminals.

There is nothing one sided about the above.

Your post above is as neutral as it could be until you wrote that the car tried to evade the police. This is a figment or best what you and I have read in the official complaint.
Secondly what the QRF did is deplorable.. No ifs and buts about that... But how do we know that the QRF was not the initiator or facilitator in initiating this crime but was merely there on the SOS mission as the major sb claims.

In short... what happened is wrong. Nothing can justify the act of either the party. Both are at fault for their actions. What needs to be determined is why the brawl broke out... did the major tried to influence and force his way out or was the motorway patrol officer arrogant or abusive from get go. Why was a simple ticket issuing business became a ego or a butt hurt issue. Till we have these answers please restrict quoting or referring to what one party says or what you believe to be the case (as referenced above). No one of us was there so kindly accept it and stop passing judgments as if we were there as refree

 

[Finer]

There is no rush, but justice delayed is justice denied. Let the due process conclude. Sure.

I think justice might be delayed but not denied. That's for sure. But given the history, the accountability is unheard when it comes to Pakistan army. So you might have a point.

 

[AsifIjaz]

Wrong... Army never makes public the way it reprimands or takes to task the serving men. The FC balochistan incidence was one rare episode where the whole episode including the punishments passed was made public by ISPR. You just need to dig a little deep and pull a few strings to find out what happened with a particular case. There are even departments of army where civil / family related grievances involving army personnel are heard and actions taken. You may not be aware of it but trust me what you wrote is wrong. I know a few incidents through common friends where serving as well as retired army men were reprimanded or penalised. Pm me if u want details.

 

[Mugwop]

Motorway police is know for being corrupt but no way they would go messing around with the army "which is the highest authority" in Pakistan. Action can be taken against the motorway police but who will discipline those army officers ??

 

[AsifIjaz]

@ mugwop for that there is the grievances division I was referring to. Based in GHQ.. called SPO or something... I will edit this post once I remember the correct name.
I wish ISPR would make it more public.

 

[VCheng]

I think justice might be delayed but not denied. That's for sure. But given the history, the accountability is unheard when it comes to Pakistan army. So you might have a point.

Well, ISPR tweeted that justice will be done. May be this time it will be. May be.

Nothing can justify the act of either the party. Both are at fault for their actions.

No. That is the basic difference: The police were doing their official duty. The army officer was the lawbreaker. The QRF came to help out the lawbreaker and committed grave crimes of their own.

 

[AsifIjaz]

Well, ISPR tweeted that justice will be done. May be this time it will be. May be.



No. That is the basic difference: The police were doing their official duty. The army officer was the lawbreaker. The QRF came to help out the lawbreaker and committed grave crimes of their own.

Syed ali... Bhai why are you hell bent on proving what is still questionable. Your post sounds as if the Qrf came to stop a ticket being issued to the major and they brawler due to this. Why are you ignoring the harsh talk... Threats and brawl that happened in between the major being stopped and the Qrf reaching the scene.

I am sorry to say but you sound stubborn to even consider it a possibility that the patrolling officer can be at fault by using harsh and improper language. He stopped an over speeding offender and was right in doing so. The major claims that the patrolling officer misbehaved.

Why are you convinced that motorway police is polite and pious. Recently there have been a few incidences where motorway police had beaten a conductor and in another incident the driver of a bus. Similar incidents can be found spread over the Internet (including this forum) depicting harsh behavior by the army guys as well as motor way police.
I urge you to please stop this mono centric approach and kindly consider it a possibility that motorway police could have been the one instigating the whole episode after doing a wonderful job of stopping an offender and doing exactly what he is paid for. On the other hand major sb is guilty of misconduct unless proven otherwise.
I will not repeat the same story over and over again. I can not convince anyone to be neutral till they also want to be neutral as well.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

If you look at the video, it seems like a soldier was dragging him away from a group of people (don't know whether they were army or civilian) that were beating him.

 

[wOnDeR-ChAp]

Motorway police is know for being corrupt but no way they would go messing around with the army "which is the highest authority" in Pakistan. Action can be taken against the motorway police but who will discipline those army officers ??

They will be disciplined army way and these hot shots captains ended up in Siachin and retiring as Major rank.

 

[VCheng]

I am sorry to say but you sound stubborn to even consider it a possibility that the patrolling officer can be at fault by using harsh and improper language. He stopped an over speeding offender and was right in doing so. The major claims that the patrolling officer misbehaved.

That possibility is an excuse. The Major's claims are irrelevant as a matter of law since it is only how he perceived the law enforcement actions. A true officer would have accepted the ticket, not let the situation escalate, and resumed his journey.

They will be disciplined army way and these hot shots captains ended up in Siachin and retiring as Major rank.

Justice must not only be done, but also seen to be done. The outcome of the investigation and the punishment must be made public.

 

[wOnDeR-ChAp]

Justice must not only be done, but also seen to be done. The outcome of the investigation and the punishment must be made public.

Army is most disciplined institute they have their own ways to handle these issues but I know if the captains were on fault they will be disciplined in army way.

 

[VCheng]

Army is most disciplined institute they have their own ways to handle these issues but I know if the captains were on fault they will be disciplined in army way.

ISPR promised justice in a public tweet. The results of the investigation and the punishment must be made known to deter future lawbreakers.

 

[wOnDeR-ChAp]

ISPR promised justice in a public tweet. The results of the investigation and the punishment must be made known to deter future lawbreakers.

Tell me if anything comes out, above all Motor way Police was responsible for all the mess.