Reality of Kargill....

[Signalian]

Kargil was a fatal mistake at the decision making level. As the PAF officer who wrote about it pointed out - too many yes-men, no one to question fantastic and unrealistic plans.

So the plot goes "we will send in the military pretending to be militants and take a giant and strategic portion of Kashmir, cutting of Siachin supply lines. Then India will come to the negotiating table".

That's literally how childish and stupid the plan was.

It was obvious India would come at you with everything. In this case with 40,000 soldiers. And what did the PA do? Back out, run away, abandon its soldiers in the front lines.

If it was up to me - I'd say Pakistan should have planned for a full scale conventional war, as you plan for the worst case scenario not rosy pictures painted by your yes-men.

This means the following steps should have been taken:

1. Get everyone on board from the PAF to the politicians, to the foreign office to media.
2. Spend serious money upgrading and improving the armed services particularly PAF, leading up to the war.
3. After the initial infiltration success, push in regular PA units in large numbers to hold the ground.
4. Prepare for an all out war across all sectors and along the full length of the country.

Once Kargil was fully secure and Siachin was starved to death, and 2 weeks of kicking and punching on a full scale war was done with, both sides would be exhausted. After that, sue for peace based on the new realities on the ground.

Never take half measures and fight like a coward. Either don't fight or go all guns blazing. There is no passive-aggressive form of warfare that is successful outside the bedroom.

By step 3, a full fledged war would have escalated along the whole border before Pakistan Army starts its offensive, the infiltration of such a magnitude will make the world point fingers towards Pakistan. Lets not go there. For a decade the irregulars in J&K kept the IA and BSF busy without involving PA.

It would have been meaningful to Continue the war from inside J&K, through the civil unrest which had started in 1990's, but this time give it direction. Instead of engaging BSF personnel in the streets and on the roads, shift the irregulars towards the LOC from inside India. Put pressure on LOC from both sides.

When the Indian Army starts chasing the irregulars along LOC, then is the time to make the move at places
where the Pakistan Army wants to hold ground otherwise let the irregulars ambush NH-1 on every opportunity.

 

[araz]

Commanding officer who served under him even after kargil and when not promoted started bashing him.

let me educate you the whole interview purpose was too defend nawaz and blame Musharraf for everything which he failed.
His Conclusion 100% Musharraf fault while defending nawaz
in interview
1> he confirm Nawaz was Aware
2> Nawaz give go a head(Approval)
3> Blame Musharraf for not informing nawaz about international political blowback.(According to him its Army Chief Job and not his cabinet Secondly ISI was at that run by Nawaz Pet(Ziauddin))

Nawaz is a slippery reptile like most politicians. Of course he knew and like all slimy characters would have been the first to say we have liberated Kashmir if this venture had worked out. So I consider it beneath myself as a human and as a Pakistani to believe anything he says.
Kargil was a huge mistake and should be admitted as such. It was ill planned, ill operated, and assumptions were made which proved incorrect and were imbecile. This has now been pointed out by so many people that it is beyond contention. The fault of this lies with people who do not consider the man going to the front to be humans but mere pawns.
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[Sully3]

Lol. What a brainwashed kid you are.
How old you were on the time of Kargil?

dw about my age, you indians are brain washed in the temples you get feed in

 

[Armchair]

By step 3, a full fledged war would have escalated along the whole border before Pakistan Army starts its offensive, the infiltration of such a magnitude will make the world point fingers towards Pakistan. Lets not go there. For a decade the irregulars in J&K kept the IA and BSF busy without involving PA.

It would have been meaningful to Continue the war from inside J&K, through the civil unrest which had started in 1990's, but this time give it direction. Instead of engaging BSF personnel in the streets and on the roads, shift the irregulars towards the LOC from inside India. Put pressure on LOC from both sides.

When the Indian Army starts chasing the irregulars along LOC, then is the time to make the move at places
where the Pakistan Army wants to hold ground otherwise let the irregulars ambush NH-1 on every opportunity.

good idea!

 

[TheBlackCoat]

Thanks for posting the video interesting video

@Maarkhoor what do understand from this interview?

A successful military operation but turned into debacle because of cowardliness of Nawaz Sharief.

The lesson for the world is simple. Both Pakistan and India are irresponsible countries. Strictest sanctions should be imposed on both of them until they give up their nukes and join NPT. These countries are a threat to the world peace.

 

[BHarwana]

The lesson for the world is simple. Both Pakistan and India are irresponsible countries. Strictest sanctions should be imposed on both of them until they give up their nukes and join NPT. These countries are a threat to the world peace.

Great idea but for India to give up nukes it needs to have nukes.

 

[TheBlackCoat]

Great idea but for India to give up nukes it needs to have nukes.

Once Pakistan and India sign NPT, US would ensure that you will never ever have access to nukes again.

 

[my2cents]

There were no Air Assets from Pakistani side.
PN and PAF weren't onboard.
That was recipe of disaster from start.

My guess is that they did not want this to escalate into a full blown war and hence the secrecy. Also they did not anticipate a full scale attack from Indian side.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

dw about my age, you indians are brain washed in the temples you get feed in

Temples are not educational institutions but madrasha are.
We have free media , strong opposition party and world class education institutions . Most important no army dictatorship never ever. We respect our army but they don't have control over indians minds and life.
So here is no chance of brainwashing.

What about you? You are there in something opposite circumstances. Righy?your brain is controlled by dictatorship for years and you are not free to think. You are forced to give respect. Otherwise you will be disappeared.

 

[Sine Nomine]

My guess is that they did not want this to escalate into a full blown war and hence the secrecy. Also they did not anticipate a full scale attack from Indian side.

India only used Air Force,when it became clear to them that dislodgeing Pakistanis without Air Force is impossible.
They were just trying to be heroes.

 

[Sully3]

Temples are not educational institutions but madrasha are.
We have free media , strong opposition party and world class education institutions . Most important no army dictatorship never ever. We respect our army but they don't have control over indians minds and life.
So here is no chance of brainwashing.

What about you? You are there in something opposite circumstances. Righy?your brain is controlled by dictatorship for years and you are not free to think. You are forced to give respect. Otherwise you will be disappeared.

so temples were made to feed the general population yeah ?

lets not talk about you media the laughing stock of the world.

The brain washing done by your deluded government and your joker army has done decades of damage.

raping women and children
hell for muslims and other minorities including dalits
highest number of poor compared to any country
blinding and killing minorities asking for azadi
you can keep your democracy and shove it up where the sun doesnt shine

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

so temples were made to feed the general population yeah ?

lets not talk about you media the laughing stock of the world.

The brain washing done by your deluded government and your joker army has done decades of damage.

raping women and children
hell for muslims and other minorities including dalits
highest number of poor compared to any country
blinding and killing minorities asking for azadi
you can keep your democracy and shove it up where the sun doesnt shine

You are still brainwashed about India.
Just let the hate out from your pulses and see the reality.

 

[Sully3]

You are still brainwashed about India.
Just let the hate out from your pulses and see the reality.

says the man talking shit about madrassas.

 

[Goku-kun]

You are still brainwashed about India.
Just let the hate out from your pulses and see the reality.

no my dear indiot,you are the one deluded by your pathological liar society..

Temples are not educational institutions but madrasha are.
We have free media , strong opposition party and world class education institutions . Most important no army dictatorship never ever. We respect our army but they don't have control over indians minds and life.
So here is no chance of brainwashing.

brain washing example in the surgical strike..
a surgical strike represents country's strength/power and any country who has performed it over another country will present it proudly in front of the world but not like you who do surgical strikes in fields due to lack of toilets and then say that we have done it over another country..

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

says the man talking shit about madrassas.

Madrashas has worst education system. This is the fact , not hate. Even most of educated Muslims accept this fact.
Thats why you are brainwashed and very little mind to understand the difference between fact and hate.