Re-Organization of FCNA

[PanzerKiel]

Why does Cmdr SC wear only the SC patch, and not 12 Corps patch?

Will PA Comd's ever have a separate GOC-in-C?

Sorry dear but cant answer it here.

 

[JPMM]

12 Corps HQ is also there, just like 1 Corps.

CC has 1,30 and 4 Corps, SC has 12, 5, 31 and 2 Corps.

Bingo!

 

[khanasifm]

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FC Na has 5 infantry brigades plus engineering and signal bridges per some sources

 

[PanzerKiel]

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FC Na has 5 infantry brigades plus engineering and signal bridges per some sources

This ORBAT pic is TOO MUCH inaccurate, really.

 

[Old School]

Currently the FCNA is a designated two star formation ( division equivalent), with 5 brigades under it.

Considering that the last conflict with India occured in the AOR of FCNA, i was wondering if the Army could reinforce the formation and enhance it's status to Corps-level.

Ever since both nations have been declared nuclear states with capabilities to strike each other regardless, i believe the chances of a full scale war across the Punjab and Sindh have significantly reduced, despite all the talk on the Cold Start Doctrine or the New Concept Of War Fighting, in reality both sides know the consequences of armed offensives across the IB or WB. The 2002 and 2008 standoffs and their outcomes are a proof of this.

I would suggest that FCNA should constitute of 2 Divisions, one formed by the present brigades, whereas the new troops will be fished from the ARN
Since it's a mountain terrain, we would need infantry and artillery units. The following divisions can be earmarked for this:

8th Infantry Division
15th Infantry Division
2nd Artillery Division
10th Infantry Division
11th Infantry Division

If we fish out 1 brigade each from these divisions we'll have sufficient formations to raise another division in GB

These Divisons are part of the Holding Corps in the Army Reserve North and i believe defence is easier with lesser troops available rather than offense.
The troop levels in ARNs Strike Formation will not change thus it's offensive power will remain.

These new redirected brigades will need acclimatization and mountain equipment so that they are ready for their new roles.

The new ORBAT of the FCNA can then be:

FCNA HQ (Gilgit)
1st Mountain Division (Gilgit)
10th Mountain Division (Skardu)

FCNA will be independent of X Corps and this will strengthen our hold on GB and ability for operations in that terrain.
Since the current threat that persists is of small scale/low intensity warfare, these deployments can help our defence where it really is threatened.

What do you suggest ?

What are the possible alternatives to achieve the same/better mission objectives ?

 

[PanzerKiel]

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FC Na has 5 infantry brigades plus engineering and signal bridges per some sources

There is no 61 and 150 Brigade in FCNA.

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FC Na has 5 infantry brigades plus engineering and signal bridges per some sources

Moreover, this pic ORBAT has given Sig and Engr Brigades to all Corps. With these many Engr and Sig resources, we should have, theoretically, Sigs and Engr Divisions by now. But,as i said, this ORBAT is highly inaccurate.

 

[Cuirassier]

What are the possible alternatives to achieve the same/better mission objectives ?

I started this thread 2 years ago - guess some of my views have changed overtime.

The major issue is that PA cannot match the adversary in numbers, hence the IA Northern Command has 12 x Div-lvl formations while the PA X Corps has only 4 (5 theoretically if you consider the oversized 12 Division).

FCNA's 323 Bde is countered by 102 Bde of 3 Inf Div (Ladakh-based), the 62 and 80 Bde are opposing their 8 Mtn Div (Drass-based). While the ratio is pretty much manageable in defence, achieving offensive goals will be almost impossible w/o using strategic reserves. They were lucky that they got to the Saltoro passes with no mil presence of ours in '84; we were lucky that they'd fallen back in '99 allowing our ingress, or else the Op would have failed in initial stage - kind of like how 2 AK Bde's assaults failed at Poonch '71.

The PA's CComd and SComd will less likely see action in the near future - that's my take, opinions can differ. The hotspot since '72 is the Jammu & Kashmir theatre. Currently the LC at FCNA AoR is quiet, but elsewhere there's a undeclared conflict.

 

[Old School]

I started this thread 2 years ago - guess some of my views have changed overtime.

The major issue is that PA cannot match the adversary in numbers, hence the IA Northern Command has 12 x Div-lvl formations while the PA X Corps has only 4 (5 theoretically if you consider the oversized 12 Division).

FCNA's 323 Bde is countered by 102 Bde of 3 Inf Div (Ladakh-based), the 62 and 80 Bde are opposing their 8 Mtn Div (Drass-based). While the ratio is pretty much manageable in defence, achieving offensive goals will be almost impossible w/o using strategic reserves. They were lucky that they got to the Saltoro passes with no mil presence of ours in '84; we were lucky that they'd fallen back in '99 allowing our ingress, or else the Op would have failed in initial stage - kind of like how 2 AK Bde's assaults failed at Poonch '71.

The PA's CComd and SComd will less likely see action in the near future - that's my take, opinions can differ. The hotspot since '72 is the Jammu & Kashmir theatre. Currently the LC at FCNA AoR is quiet, but elsewhere there's a undeclared conflict.

There is a silver lining though. For the first time, I have noticed that significant politicization is taking root in IA. This is happening in a time when the decision making process within IA is also becoming increasingly centralized just like the political one. What does this all imply ? The unbelievable !

 

[syed_yusuf]

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FC Na has 5 infantry brigades plus engineering and signal bridges per some sources

where is the southern command?

 

[Signalian]

I started this thread 2 years ago - guess some of my views have changed overtime.

The major issue is that PA cannot match the adversary in numbers, hence the IA Northern Command has 12 x Div-lvl formations while the PA X Corps has only 4 (5 theoretically if you consider the oversized 12 Division).

FCNA's 323 Bde is countered by 102 Bde of 3 Inf Div (Ladakh-based), the 62 and 80 Bde are opposing their 8 Mtn Div (Drass-based). While the ratio is pretty much manageable in defence, achieving offensive goals will be almost impossible w/o using strategic reserves. They were lucky that they got to the Saltoro passes with no mil presence of ours in '84; we were lucky that they'd fallen back in '99 allowing our ingress, or else the Op would have failed in initial stage - kind of like how 2 AK Bde's assaults failed at Poonch '71.

The PA's CComd and SComd will less likely see action in the near future - that's my take, opinions can differ. The hotspot since '72 is the Jammu & Kashmir theatre. Currently the LC at FCNA AoR is quiet, but elsewhere there's a undeclared conflict.

How many regular Bns in PA ORBAT and how many are scouts/Paramilitary