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"Pakistani authorities charged 647 people with offences under the blasphemy laws between 1986 and 2007[15]. Fifty percent of the people charged were non-Muslim (3% of the national population).[15] 20 of those charged were murdered.[15]"

If talking negatively about the Prophet(pbuh) warrants death, what about killing one of the Prophet's followers?
 
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Lahore deaths accused 'is diplomat, must be freed' - US


BBC News - Lahore deaths accused 'is diplomat, must be freed' - US

The US embassy in Pakistan has called for "the immediate release" of an American charged with murdering two Pakistanis in the city of Lahore.

The embassy said the man had US diplomatic status and therefore was immune from prosecution.

"The diplomat acted in self-defence when confronted by two armed men on motorcycles" on 27 January, it added.

The man - identified in Pakistan as Raymond Davis - was charged with the murder of the two men on Friday.

He told the court in Lahore that he had fired his gun in self-defence.

Another person was run over and killed by a vehicle carrying Mr Davis' colleagues as they came to his aid, police and witnesses have said.

Magistrates have remanded Mr Davis in custody until next week, while police investigate the shooting.

Police 'failure'
"The United States Embassy in Pakistan calls for the immediate release of a US diplomat unlawfully detained by authorities in Lahore," the embassy said in a statement on Saturday.

"The diplomat, assigned to the US Embassy in Islamabad, has a US diplomatic passport and Pakistani visa valid until June 2012.


"When detained, the US diplomat identified himself to police as a diplomat and repeatedly requested immunity under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. Local police and senior authorities failed to observe their legal obligation to verify his status.

The embassy added that it regretted "that this incident resulted in loss of life".

It did not name the man, who had been previously described as a consular employee in Lahore.

Lahore police chief Aslam Tareen told the BBC Mr Davis was employed on "security duties" in the consulate.

He did not have diplomatic immunity and was not one of the foreign security personnel allowed to carry firearms, according to the Pakistani authorities.

Mr Tareen said a Glock pistol had been recovered from Mr Davis and that pistols had also been found on the two men shot dead.

Mr Davis is said to have told police that the motorcycle rider and his pillion passenger had been trying to hijack his vehicle at gunpoint.

Police said he told officers that he had withdrawn money from a cash machine shortly before the incident.

Pakistani investigators have said the two men were probably robbers, although relatives dispute this.

More than 100 people held a protest rally in Lahore in the aftermath of Thursday's incident, setting tyres ablaze.

The incident could inflame anti-American sentiment in Pakistan, the BBC's Syed Shoaib Hasan in Karachi says.

Many Pakistanis resent the US because of regular air strikes carried out by its drone aircraft in north-west Pakistan, and because of America's role in neighbouring Afghanistan, our correspondent adds.
 
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Btw, I read somewhere Davis was on a visit visa...
From what facts, not wild opinions and guesstimates, I can understand Mr. Davis was a contract hire of the US Deparmtent of State which did and does allow him to be under a Diplomatic Passport and associated Paksitani Visa as a recognized Diplomat per se. This he is and remains, a legally defined Diplomat.

Consular Service US Department of State folks include all who do security work for the State Dept. offices overseas, worldwide.

Contracting out in this time of hot war on terrorism services that in times gone forever were less threatening is the name of the game.

Contracted out Diplomatic Passport Security Personnel are the norm now for the US Department of State since 911.

In Islamabad the increase in the US Marine armed embassy guards was necessitated by the rise in terrorism and threats to all US diplomatic personnel in the Pakistani Capital. Does anyone remember President Musharraf using the Pakitani Army to clean out the Red Madrassa in Islamabad, where boys and girls were being trained by Al Qaida thugs to become terrorist fighters and suicide bombers?

These are wild times in Pakistan and all sorts of security and self protection needs exist if you are to survive and come home alive from tour of duty in the Us State Dept. inside Pakistan.

Note that Pakistan has no national, unified guns laws. Never has had such. Owning and using weapons of self protection varies from city to city, town to town. No absolutely No standardized law exists on this topic whatsoever.

I saw daily folks all over Karachi, Peshawar, Lahore, Rawalpindi and lesser town and villages in what was then West Pakistan "armed to the teeth" to protect themselves and their families and loved ones. Looking at overseas newsclips this practive of having and using weapons for self preservation has gottenworse, not better. But today it is somewhat justifiable as the wildness of rampant terrorism, attacks on police barracks, bombings of innocent Muslins going about their routine daily lives all over Pakistan leave everyone open to being murdered by terrorists, both shooters and suicide bombers.
 
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Lahore deaths accused 'is diplomat, must be freed' - US


BBC News - Lahore deaths accused 'is diplomat, must be freed' - US

The US embassy in Pakistan has called for "the immediate release" of an American charged with murdering two Pakistanis in the city of Lahore.

The embassy said the man had US diplomatic status and therefore was immune from prosecution.

"The diplomat acted in self-defence when confronted by two armed men on motorcycles" on 27 January, it added.

The man - identified in Pakistan as Raymond Davis - was charged with the murder of the two men on Friday.

He told the court in Lahore that he had fired his gun in self-defence.

Another person was run over and killed by a vehicle carrying Mr Davis' colleagues as they came to his aid, police and witnesses have said.

Magistrates have remanded Mr Davis in custody until next week, while police investigate the shooting.

Police 'failure'
"The United States Embassy in Pakistan calls for the immediate release of a US diplomat unlawfully detained by authorities in Lahore," the embassy said in a statement on Saturday.

"The diplomat, assigned to the US Embassy in Islamabad, has a US diplomatic passport and Pakistani visa valid until June 2012.


"When detained, the US diplomat identified himself to police as a diplomat and repeatedly requested immunity under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. Local police and senior authorities failed to observe their legal obligation to verify his status.

The embassy added that it regretted "that this incident resulted in loss of life".

It did not name the man, who had been previously described as a consular employee in Lahore.

Lahore police chief Aslam Tareen told the BBC Mr Davis was employed on "security duties" in the consulate.

He did not have diplomatic immunity and was not one of the foreign security personnel allowed to carry firearms, according to the Pakistani authorities.

Mr Tareen said a Glock pistol had been recovered from Mr Davis and that pistols had also been found on the two men shot dead.

Mr Davis is said to have told police that the motorcycle rider and his pillion passenger had been trying to hijack his vehicle at gunpoint.

Police said he told officers that he had withdrawn money from a cash machine shortly before the incident.

Pakistani investigators have said the two men were probably robbers, although relatives dispute this.

More than 100 people held a protest rally in Lahore in the aftermath of Thursday's incident, setting tyres ablaze.

The incident could inflame anti-American sentiment in Pakistan, the BBC's Syed Shoaib Hasan in Karachi says.

Many Pakistanis resent the US because of regular air strikes carried out by its drone aircraft in north-west Pakistan, and because of America's role in neighbouring Afghanistan, our correspondent adds.

Lol, first he is a "civilian", then he is a "Civilian Technical Advisor", then he is a "Contractor", then a "Non Diplomatic Official" and now a "Diplomat".

Answer me this US Embassy, if he is a Diplomat the why was his name not registered with the Foreign Office in Islamabad as such upon his arrival, furthermore why was a letter sent to the Foreign Office requesting a Non-DIPLOMATIC ID for this man?

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Raymond Davis can't get diplomatic immunity: FO

Pakistan foreign office has said that US citizen Raymond Davis has no diplomatic immunity because he is not an official of US foreign office but he is a part of technical and administrative staff in the US embassy in Islamabad , Dunya News reported on Saturday .


As US has demanded immediate release of its citizen and Raymond Davis, who allegedly killed two people in Lahore three days ago.

The US embassy in Pakistan issued a statement, which stated that Raymond shot at two people in self-defence and thus is being in illegal captivity inside Pakistan.

When detained, the US diplomat identified himself to police as a diplomat and repeatedly requested immunity under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations,” it said in a statement.

It further said that Pakistan cannot, in anyway, detain its citizen; Raymond’s diplomatic visa would be expired in 2012. However, it grieved the death of two people at the hands of its citizen.

It is pertinent to mention that US national named Raymond David shot at 2 persons at Qartaba Chowk and hit another bike rider while driving rashly, in an attempt to to escape the scene. The motorcyclist Ubaidur Rehman was killed on the spot while other two injured -- Faizan Haider and an unidentified person -- succumbed to their injuries in the Services Hospital.

Police apprehended Davis from Purani Anarkali and confiscated a pistol with bullets and three mobile phones from his possession. Police have taken Raymond's car into custody and started investigation of the incident. The accused told the police that he opened fire on the deceased at Qartaba Chowk, Lahore in his defence as they tried to rob him.

SSP (security) Rana Faisal,while talking to Dunya News, confirmed that the foreigner is a US citizen and the two deceased wanted to stop Raymond on gun point.

US Embassy spokesman in Islamabad said that they are in contact with Pakistani government over the issue. The other day Raymond was remanded in police custody for 6 days.

Dunya News: Pakistan:-Raymond Davis can't get diplomatic immunity: FO
 
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Pakistan rebuffs call for US gunman’s quick release | DAWN.COM | Latest news, Breaking news, Pakistan News, World news, business, sport and multimedia

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Sunday rebuffed a call from the United States for the immediate release of an American man who shot dead two men in a Lahore street, saying its legal process must be respected.

The US embassy had claimed diplomatic immunity on behalf of Raymond Davis, previously described as a consulate employee, who is under investigation on double murder charges after shooting dead the two motorcyclists this week.

“This matter is sub judice in a court of law and the legal process should be respected,” Pakistani foreign ministry spokesman Abdul Basit said in a statement, adding that a report was awaited from Punjab police.

Davis, who has been held at a Lahore police station since the incident, appeared before a magistrate’s court Friday and said he had fired in self-defence. He was remanded into police custody for six days.

On Saturday, two days after the deadly shooting, the US embassy in Islamabad released a statement saying he had diplomatic status and was therefore being detained unlawfully.

“When detained, the US diplomat identified himself to police as a diplomat and repeatedly requested immunity under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations,” it said.

“Local police and senior authorities failed to observe their legal obligation to verify his status with either the US consulate general in Lahore or the US embassy in Islamabad.

“Furthermore, the diplomat was formally arrested and remanded into custody, which is a violation of international norms and the Vienna Convention, to which Pakistan is a signatory.”The statement said the man had a diplomatic passport and a visa for Pakistan valid until June 2012, and added that he had acted in self-defence when two armed men on motorcycles tried to rob him.

“The diplomat had every reason to believe that the armed men meant him bodily harm. Minutes earlier, the two men, who had criminal backgrounds, had robbed money and valuables at gunpoint from a Pakistani citizen in the same area,” it said.

Provincial law minister Rana Sanaullah said that the US should respect Pakistan’s courts and should raise the issue of diplomatic immunity there.

“The Punjab government respects the sentiments of the Pakistani public and wants to fulfil legal requirements,” he told AFP in Lahore.

US ambassador Cameron Munter telephoned Pakistan Muslim League (N) chief Nawaz Sharif on Saturday and sought his help to secure Davis’s release, Sharif’s spokesman Pervaiz Rashid said.

Sharif, whose PML-N rules the politically important Punjab province, also told the ambassador that the matter was to be handled by the court, he said.

Police said Friday that two handguns had been found close to the victims’ bodies, but that they so far appeared to have no previous criminal record.

Imran Haider, the elder brother of one of the motorcyclists, 22-year-old Faizan Haider, claimed his brother only carried a pistol for protection and insisted the gun was licensed.

A third Pakistani was crushed to death by a consulate car that went to help Davis following the shooting in a busy street in the eastern city.

Punjab provincial law minister Rana Sanaullah has said that American influence would not be allowed to affect the criminal proceedings.

Pakistan is a vital US ally in the American-led “war on terror”.

The US embassy said it regretted that “this incident resulted in loss of life” and said: “We greatly value the cooperation and partnership between Pakistan and the United States, which is vital to the interests of both countries.”The incident sparked small protests across Pakistan on Friday, a sign of the anti-American sentiment that is already running high partly because of a covert US drone campaign in the northwest tribal areas that has provoked deadly revenge attacks by militants. – AFP
 
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A colombian embassy security guard, a senior NCO in the colombian army, killed a teenager in London in some sort of robbery/ self-defence situation.

The colombian embassy immediately waived his diplomatic immunity and worked with the British police to solve the problem.
 
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Quite the contrary, Mr. Davis fired in self defense and saved his own life thereby.

He actually has put his life and the life of other Americans in Pakistan in danger by firing. The objective of robbers is to take your possessions, not kill you. If they fire, they attract attention to themselves. Had he not reacted with a gun, the worst would have been him losing his possessions. 3 cellphones and a glock? big deal.
 
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I think Pakistan will have to try this guy if they want to prevent revolution fever from spreading into Pakistan.

I also read Davis was repeatedly demanding better security for himself when he got caught by the police. Is he fearing the Lahore mob, or that they may send in "The Cleaner" since he may know too much.
 
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Since he isn't part of the State dept, and not part of an army, and he is definitely involved in something suspicious, can we say he is an enemy combatant? Can Pakistan take him to a secret location and waterboard him? Does the Pakistani government even have the balls to do that?
 
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I think Pakistan will have to try this guy if they want to prevent revolution fever from spreading into Pakistan.

I also read Davis was repeatedly demanding better security for himself when he got caught by the police. Is he fearing the Lahore mob, or that they may send in "The Cleaner" since he may know too much.

To be fair i actually feel his request for heightened security should be respected. If he is indeed in fear of his life because of public sentiment or anything else they should try him in the Jail, it has been done before and it is a fair request.
 
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Arm chair coaching after the fact qualifies for the Scottish Poet Robert (Bobby) Burns award which reads: "Anyone can find fault and criticize...after the fact."

In fact Mr. Davis life was threatened, his windshield was shot through by the thugs who fired at him...photos all over the Internet with impressions in the glass of bullets going into the car.

No one has ever been trained to shoot out through their own windshield, that is flatly crazy and never happened.

Two dead crooks are not martyrs. They had robbed a native Pakitani earlier the same day.

Americans have been killed inside Pakistan on several occasions and this would have been the same outcome, a shot dead American if he had not returned fire and saved his own life.

This is where I tell my by blood British Cousins that their government is crazy not to have police routinely carry fire arms and to still use the death penalty.
 
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"Pakistani authorities charged 647 people with offences under the blasphemy laws between 1986 and 2007[15]. Fifty percent of the people charged were non-Muslim (3% of the national population).[15] 20 of those charged were murdered.[15]"

If talking negatively about the Prophet(pbuh) warrants death, what about killing one of the Prophet's followers?

Killing armed thieves has nothing to do with nothing. Crooks whose stolen wealth as often as not goes into funding local terrorists and terorism.
 
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your british couins regularly get killed by your guys in 'friendly firing' by trigger happy americans .. lol

British soldier died in friendly fire incident, MoD says | UK news | The Guardian

(Not so) Friendly Fire Video

POPOV no friendlies this far north....
BOOM **dead brit cousin on the ground ***

Watch from 7:00 onwards , they blow away their own 'cousins' and then just say 'Ahhh Sh!t , Fu<k , God Bless it' [ this must sound familier to Mr ex USAF American eagle ]

********.com - Shock: U.S. Friendly Fire Bombing Video Leaked
 
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