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Good enough ...!
The fact is you have shown your hypocrisy and despite all that you have mocked people here for bearing wild and military bully like thoughts and time and again advised them to control there emotions, yet you fail to give any such advise to any American members on board despite there utmost display of hypocrisy in defending a retard murderer who killed three innocent Pakistanis in broad day light speaks out to a great deal about your motives and feelings towards Pakistanis in general and Pakistan on the whole.
Even if your are fond of advising people to control there emotions in the light of all what happened , at least it should be free of double standards which is well evident through your posts.

that suckr should be hung in the public this will send clear message t to evil Cia murderer agencies of US to fukoff:D and stay away from Pak otherwise u will get fukdup like him...excuze me for my language but this is typical American dialogue...cuz we need to talk to evilz in their language...:)
 
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I see Najam Sethi got his lifafa , Kamran Shafi has got one too and soon Asma Jhangir , and Nadeem "Fruitcake" Paracha will get one too.

There is a mountain of evidence against the killer , who is no diplomat but a Xe/Blackwater type contractor and whose status in the country is dubious.

I hope the courts dont come under pressure and convict this criminal , if the courts will not do their job then next time justice will be done by the public at the spot.

am not taking any sides or anything but media is just creating a smoke screen, end of the day its media, i agree with some of his points but the actual scenario is still in the wild, not confirmed info what actually happened,
- first it was said that bullets entered the two bodies from behind, now this guy says both had bullets at the front?

- they actually stopped the car? why would davis stop in first place, simply ran over them? thats what i would do rather than shooting

- getting out of the car and taking photos, i wont do that if those guys tried to rob me, however taking it for the sake of evidence i would do

- how authenticate are these so called facts by Najam Sethi

but again these are just assumptions, and not the clear facts, i wonder how much Najam Sethi got just to make that up, this guy don't even knows what was the suspect's name and saying these are the real facts not stories. lol

Long live :pakistan:
 
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Mr Davis will be released once the matter settles down, maybe 15 days maximum. Whatever his visa status is or whoever is guilty.
 
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Mr Davis will be released once the matter settles down, maybe 15 days maximum. Whatever his visa status is or whoever is guilty.

hard to digest but thats what the truth is, end of the day, hes gonna walk out of this country

a bit irrelevant but if US State Department is hiring these mercenaries, what happened to the good old SAD/SOG to do their dirty work?:undecided:
 
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[Pakistani]-evilX;1453676 said:
a bit irrelevant but if US State Department is hiring these mercenaries, what happened to the good old SAD/SOG to do their dirty work?:undecided:

Nothing new here. This has been going on since the cold war.
 
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may be pakistan can swap Raymond Davis for Aafia Siddiqui as india swapped warren anderson for Adil Shahryar.
 
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may be pakistan can swap Raymond Davis for Aafia Siddiqui as india swapped warren anderson for Adil Shahryar.

Lets put it this way... Our present government doesn't have the balls to be that forward with their paymasters back in Captiol Hill. Besides the story of poor Dr. Aafia is complicated.
 
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Chief Justice Lahore High Court:
"Raymond Davis not to be handed over to the consulate"
"Raymond Davis not to be allowed to return to the US"
"Instructs FIA to place Mr. Davis on the Exit Control List as for today".
Source: Dawn Tv
 
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Equality in the eyes of the law in Pakistan


BY HUMA IMTIAZ, JANUARY 31, 2011
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It seemed to be simple case of shooting in self-defense in a busy street in Lahore, after being threatened at gunpoint by robbers. The twists in the narrative, however, have made it into a front-page story here in Pakistan. The person who killed the two men, Faizan and Faheem, was Raymond Davis, a U.S. citizen and reportedly a member of the U.S. Embassy staff. And when Davis called the U.S consulate in Lahore for help, a staff member allegedly killed another person, Ubaid ur Rehman, in a hit-and-run accident after speeding down on the wrong side of the road in an attempt to reach Davis.

Davis has been arrested, and is in police custody in Lahore. Pakistani authorities, eager to stake their claims about the sovereignty of the Pakistani nation and the rule of law, have vowed to not hand over Davis until an investigation into the matter is completed. Members of political and religious parties have urged the government not to release Davis, while anonymous text messages have circulated asking the government to swap Davis for Dr. Aafia Siddiqui, the Pakistani neuroscientist who was convicted and sentenced to life in prison in an American court last fall for attempting to murder her U.S. interrogators in Afghanistan.

The Davis incident brings up many questions. Firstly, who IS Raymond Davis? Reports are still mixed. According to ABC News, Davis is a private security officer. The U.S. Embassy in Islamabad calls Davis a "diplomat". The truth is anyone's guess.

The U.S Embassy says Davis was "assigned to the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad, has a U.S. diplomatic passport and Pakistani visa valid until June 2012." They have called for his release, saying that as a diplomat, Davis has immunity under the Vienna Convention. But on Sunday night, Dawn News, a local Urdu channel, broadcast what it says are images of Davis' passport -- which did not have a diplomatic visa.

The Davis incident has already added fuel to the fire that is known as U.S.-Pakistan relations. In a country where the U.S. enjoys very little popularity, an incident of a "diplomat" shooting two Pakistanis, whether they were robbers or not, has helped fuel anti-U.S. sentiment. At a protest, organized in Karachi by Jamaat-e-Islami, a religious party, hundreds of protestors condemned the incident.

Local newspapers with right-wing, anti-American leanings, such as The Nation, ran headlines such as "'American Rambo' goes berserk in City", whereas Urdu newspaper columnists have urged that the law be allowed to take its course.

Others have asked questions about what Davis was doing in Pakistan, and why he tried fleeing the scene after the incident. Columnist Ejaz Haider asked, "Why did Davis try to run away from the scene after displaying the calm ability to shoot a pistol with a steady hand, get out of the car, make a video of the bodies, and talk to someone on the wireless?" The News' Ansar Abbasi, a right-wing columnist with a strong anti-American streak, cited previous incidents of embassy officials in Pakistan involved in carrying weapons. The News also ran a story titled "How U.S. behaves when diplomats commit crimes."

As the tug-of-war continues between the U.S. and Pakistani governments over Davis' immunity and whether he should be tried for murder or not, there is an urgent need for diplomacy and tact in this case. If Davis is not actually a diplomat, the U.S. Embassy should allow Pakistani law to take its course if it would like to improve its reputation in the country.

However, the issue, which has already been politicized, will take a nasty turn for the worse if Davis is indeed a diplomat, and enjoys diplomatic immunity in the case. Religious and political parties, aided by columnists and sections of the media with anti-U.S. slant, will blame the Pakistani government for ceding to the U.S. government's demands, regardless of the facts of the case.

Secondly, it is ironic that religious and political parties are demanding justice in this case, and yet turn a blind eye to the injustices within Pakistan, and those blatantly and proudly flouting the rule of law. Mumtaz Qadri -- who killed the governor of Punjab, Salmaan Taseer, in cold blood because of his support for changing Pakistan's controversial blasphemy laws -- has been lauded as a hero and defender of Islam, while Davis, who may have been acting in mere self-defense from potential robbers, is called a demon. If everyone is equal in the eyes of the law, political leaders in Pakistan need to remember to demand justice for anyone who takes the law into their own hands.

Huma Imtiaz works as a journalist in Pakistan and can be reached at huma.imtiaz@gmail.com.
 
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I am a strong supporter of Pak-US relations, but sorry to say, even I can’t defend this trigger happy cowboy.

With “diplomat” like these, who needs enemies!




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Dawn
Jan 02 2011

IF this is the age of information we are living in, we could certainly do without the variety in `factual` versions that are often bandied about to describe one event and one situation. Take Raymond David. We know he is an American accused of killing two young men in a shootout in Lahore, with the ensuing panic resulting in the death of another Pakistani youngster. The argument is yet ongoing whether he is a diplomat or not, and about the motive behind the shooting. For an incident as serious as that, the US authorities took awfully long to claim diplomatic immunity for the gentleman — leaving aside the debate whether the Americans should have sought the option while reports suggested the accused was to claim it as an act in self-defence. The delayed `request` for immunity lent greater uncertainty to an already explosive situation which highlighted the uneasy nature of the Pak-US relationship. Groups in the country saw in the incident potential to whip up anti-US emotion and even the more objective Pakistanis termed it a test case for their government and other state institutions. Rule of law and the dispensing of justice on a non-discriminatory basis has been a subject close to Pakistanis` hearts in recent times. They want a fair trial. A large number of them are not all too pleased with what they see as US pressure on Islamabad. This complicates the situation, which can only be saved through a fair, transparent and uninterrupted hearing of the case.

A few things can be sorted out right now, though, in the interests of clarity, justice and equality in relationship. For instance, while so many voices here blame the Americans for trying to manufacture a diplomatic identity for the accused, what stops Islamabad from coming up with an answer to this crucial question? Surely, the records of the Pakistan government would show what category of visa its mission stamped on Mr David`s passport. Islamabad`s silence over the subject gives credence to all the talk as to how a weak government customarily seeks refuge in ambiguity at a time when it is faced with popular sentiment on one side and pressure from the world superpower on the other.
 
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Gazzi are you a british policeman or Pakistani? I seem to remember you with a british flag. Seems strange to hear someone claiming to be a policemen to believe the 9/11 demolition story. Even Osama has admitted to being behind it.

Relevance to this discussion Thomas sir?
 
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case is sub judice now.Govt. as of today cant implement usa demands even if it want to be.

Hahaha...You don't know Pakistan, trust me. Let's just put it that way.
The only reason this guy is not on a BD-700 is because the government is (if you pardon the crude language "Shitting Bricks" because of Egypt).
 
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