Raymond Davis Case: Developing Story

[American Eagle]

Here we go again with false statements and speculations.

Mr. Davis was a US Dept. of State employee as a contract hired with full defense of his rights as a State employee built into his contract, which is how our US government is cutting costs by passing overhead and pension fund costs to the companies contracted with. But the company staff become legally literally US State Dept. employees via their contract hire and are as much diplomats as any other careers US Consular Service in house employees. Is that so hard to understand?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

thomas do u believe david did nothing wrong? .

 

[Developereo]

thomas do u believe david the fag did nothing wrong? ur sick.

Why are you needlessly flame-baiting?
Will this advance the discussion in any way?

Here we go again with false statements and speculations.

Mr. Davis was a US Dept. of State employee as a contract hired with full defense of his rights as a State employee built into his contract, which is how our US government is cutting costs by passing overhead and pension fund costs to the companies contracted with. But the company staff become legally literally US State Dept. employees via their contract hire and are as much diplomats as any other careers US Consular Service in house employees. Is that so hard to understand?

Speaking of false statements, your statements are self-contradictory.

You say the US govt. wants to cut costs by using contractors instead of direct employees. Then you say that they become State Dept. employees. That is 100% false. Under US employment law, a contractor is not an employee.

So Davis is not an employee of the US State Dept. He may have been issued a diplomatic passport, but he is not a government employee. He is a private individual providing services under contract for the US govt.

 

[ashok321]

Why are you needlessly flame-baiting?
Will this advance the discussion in any way?



Speaking of false statements, your statements are self-contradictory.

You say the US govt. wants to cut costs by using contractors instead of direct employees. Then you say that they become State Dept. employees. That is 100% false. Under US employment law, a contractor is not an employee.

So Davis is not an employee of the US State Dept. He may have been issued a diplomatic passport, but he is not a government employee. He is a private individual providing services under contract for the US govt.

Contractors are not issued diplomatic passports.....either he is one (diplomat) or a covert agent, working in the guise of contractual agreement.

 

[Roybot]

Is it true that the two guys killed had a mobile phone tracker and wireless phones on them?

This seems more like a shoot out between two intelligence agencies now. If it was two common Pakistanis killed, this incident would have died down by now.

However the FIR lodged about the mugging , and them mobile phones found on the deceased bodies makes it seem like they really were robbers. One can only speculate.

 

[ashok321]

Here is how the things will end up in Pakistan:

Davis would be US bound (Pakistan cant keep white American down for long), and Pakistan would save its face by extracting some money for deceased robbers.

 

[Roybot]

Here is how the things will end up in Pakistan:

Davis would be US bound (Pakistan cant keep white American down for long), and Pakistan would save its face by extracting some money for deceased robbers.

Do you really have to say "White" American. You would surely chuck a hissy fit if someone called you brown/black/caramel Indian. Grow up

 

[fida jan]

Do you really have to say "White" American. You would surely chuck a hissy fit if someone called you brown/black/caramel Indian. Grow up

dont they(aussie) say...

 

[ashok321]

Do you really have to say "White" American. You would surely chuck a hissy fit if someone called you brown/black/caramel Indian. Grow up

They care for thier own (white people) five US citizens of Pakistani origin are still lying in Pakistani jail - And US gives damn....

Same thing happened in lebanon during terry whites abduction along with 3 more americans (one of which was Indian) They did not release Indian but other white people got through - during eighties....

It is good thing that they care for thier own race - our country would not come so close....

 

[American Eagle]

You misunderstand me.

Mr. Davis by virtue of being a contracted company provided employee is by US law then treated for liability purposes as an employee of the US Department of State, hence he has a Diplomatic Passport, a Pakitani Diplomat's VISA until mid-2012.

I helped develop for the US Dept. of Veterans Affairs the same concept and practice for our VA Hospital system for contract hires back in the 1980s, which labor unions opposed.

You pay the company who provides the contract hiree roughly 128% to 135% of base salary as negotiated so that the benefits and pension package are costs of the providng company and not of the US Dept. of State.

At law Mr. Davis per conract with and through his employing company which in turn has "the personnel" contact with the US Dept. of State... is treated as an employee in terms of legal liabilty of and by the US State Dept....the same as if Mr. Davis was actually a US careerist Foreign Service Officer or a US Consular Staffer. This is the legal basis on which Mr. Davis as an employee of his company, which company, not Mr. Davis directly, has the professional services contract with State.

I hope this better explains the simple fact that the State Dept. has all legal liability for the employee(s) provided by the company which furnishes the workers to State to do the job. This gives all private company furnished personnel legally Diplomatic Status with State as State is liable for them the same as any other careerist State employee when it comes to legal or tort liability.

 

[Roybot]

dont they(aussie) say...

No they don't, the sane educated ones dont.

They care for thier own (white people) five US citizens of Pakistani origin are still lying in Pakistani jail - And US gives damn....

Same thing happened in lebanon during terry whites abduction along with 3 more americans (one of which was Indian) They did not release Indian but other white people got through - during eighties....

It is good thing that they care for thier own race - our country would not come so close....

They will care about you, if you care about them as simple as that. If you live in America and be hostile towards America and its interest why should they give a hoot about you. Same goes for the 5 so called "American" terrorists locked in Pakistani prison.

And if they only cared about the "white" Americans, they would have given up the Pakistani driver(of the 4x4 which killed the cyclist) by now. Pretty pathetic how you brought the race card into this issue.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

They care for thier own (white people) five US citizens of Pakistani origin are still lying in Pakistani jail - And US gives damn....

Same thing happened in lebanon during terry whites abduction along with 3 more americans (one of which was Indian) They did not release Indian but other white people got through - during eighties....

It is good thing that they care for thier own race - our country would not come so close....

Bullshyt....only 1 of them is a Pakistani american rest r egyptian,black n some other guy!

And yeah if GOP takes a stand usa cant do jack abt it..

 

[ashok321]

No they don't, the sane educated ones dont.



They will care about you, if you care about them as simple as that. If you live in America and be hostile towards America and its interest why should they give a hoot about you. Same goes for the 5 so called "American" terrorists locked in Pakistani prison.

And if they only cared about the "white" Americans, they would have given up the Pakistani driver(of the 4x4 which killed the cyclist) by now. Pretty pathetic how you brought the race card into this issue.

Why they did not care about Indian doc (brown) who was also a hostage in Lebanon?

 

[ashok321]

And yeah if GOP takes a stand usa cant do jack abt it..

Why GOP can not take a stand on drones? You wanna fight superpower? you cant...

 

[Roybot]

Why they did not care about Indian doc (brown) who was also a hostage in Lebanon?

I don't know anything about this Lebanon crisis so i can't comment on that. I would give a logical reason if I knew anything about it or found anything on the internet. Anyways lets not derail this thread anymore.
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If you were talking about Terry Waite, then as you can see in this wiki link there were a lot of "white" Americans killed in those crisis as well. Its not like they saved all the "white" Americans and left the others there on purpose. Besides I couldn't find the name of an Indian doctor in the list anyways.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon_hostage_crisis


Lets stop this unnecessary discussion now.