Raymond Davis Case: Developing Story

[DV RULES]

Raymond Davis linked to CIA


February 20, 2011

LAHORE – Raymond Davis, the American who killed two innocent Pakistanis in the provincial metropolis on January 27, had links to the CIA, confirmed sources in the country’s premier intelligence agency.
ISI sources told The Nation that the conduct of the CIA around the tragic incident has “virtually thrown the partnership into question”. They said: “Irrespective of the commonality of objective in the war on terror, it is hard to predict if the relationship will ever get back to the level it was prior to the Davis episode. The onus of not stalling the relationship between the two agencies now squarely lies on the CIA.”
To a question, the sources said: “The ISI and the CIA enjoy a professional relationship that has grown stronger over the years. There have been ups and downs, but to say that the ties are the worst since 9/11 would be incorrect. Neither are the ties alarming. Pakistan is doing all that is within its means and capacity to combat the menace of terrorism and our track record speaks for itself.”
About the drone attacks that have killed hundreds over the past months, the sources said these attacks come under “an autonomous CIA operation and Pakistan or the ISI has never provided any target information for drone strikes.”
The sources rejected the misperception fuelled by TV talk shows that information about the targets was being provided by Pakistan. They put to rest aspersions that drone attacks came to a halt after the Davis episode because Pakistan had stopped providing information about targets.
To another question, the sources said: “Pakistan is at present fully engaged in operations against the Taliban in South Waziristan and does not have the wherewithal or the capacity to undertake a simultaneous operation in North Waziristan, which could only be tackled once gains in the South have been consolidated.”



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Davis had ID card of US consulate in Peshawar

February 20, 2011

National

Davis had ID card of US consulate in Peshawar
Updated at 0600 PST Sunday, February 20, 2011

[Davis had ID card of US consulate in Peshawar]
LAHORE: The Identity Card recovered from US double murder suspect, Raymond Davis, who killed two innocent Pakistani citizens in a busy market in Lahore, was of US consulate in Peshawar instead of Lahore, Geo News reported Sunday.

The ID card represents Raymond Davis being employee of US consulate in Peshawar in instead of Lahore consulate, sources said.

The US consulate number mentioned on the ID card is 4819151, sources claimed.

It is pertinent to mention here that US man Raymond Davis is currently being tried in Lahore High Court (LHC) under charges of killing two innocent Pakistani citizens in a busy market, Mazang Chowrangi, in Lahore.

Later, while the suspect was trying to flee the crime scene so a US consulate vehicle came to his rescue, which trampled to death another man who had come in way.

Davis, before court, said that he had killed two men in an act of self-defence.

US government has been pressing Pakistan since the heinous crime was committed to release Raymond Davis under pretext of diplomatic immunity.


Davis had ID card of US consulate in Peshawar

Urdu News

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[DV RULES]

US Special Forces may repeat Iran, Afghan ops


February 20, 2011


ISLAMABAD - The possibility that US could conduct a commando style operation to ‘rescue’ Raymond Davis does not stay out of sight. Not to forget that the US forces had done similar kind of operations in Iran and Afghanistan.
The United States carried out a similar mission in Iran in April 1980 after Iranian Revolutionary Guards in the American Embassy in Tehran held 52 American nationals as captives. A total number of 66 US nationals at the said US Embassy were detained. Later, 14 of them were released and the remaining ones were held. The deliberations between the US and Iranian governments for the release of detained US nationals failed to come fruitful and the US forces launched Operation Eagle Claw to set the captive Americans free. Jimmy Carter, the then US President, had ordered this rescue mission under the command of Colonel Charles Beckwith. The offensive on the aforesaid embassy was to be initiated after disrupting electrical power supply in the area to sabotage any military response by the Iranians.
As per operation plan, AC-130 gunships were to hover around to provide supporting fire. The helicopters were to transport the rescuers and hostages to Manzariyeh Air Base outside of Tehran. There, a ranger force would seize the airfield to permit C-141 transports to land in advance for transporting the captives contingent from Iran under the protection of fighter planes. However, this well thought out military offensive failed due to unfavourable weather conditions triggered by thunderstorms causing casualties of two of the eight RH-53D Sea Stallion helicopters. The RH-53 collided with AC-130 gunships and subsequently, eight US servicemen died, including those of US field Army and Air Force personnel.


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[MastanKhan]

Hi,

This special forces ops is not possible at this moment-----you see---the americans were caught with their pants down this time. Mr Obama and Ms Clinto forgot waht was happening around the world----their reaction to this issue was a knee jerk reaction.

The realization is hitting america that they first lost Tunisia, then Egypt---now there is chaos in one of their biggest overseas naval base ie in Bahrain----Yemen is in turmopil and so is Libya---. All these countries under the u s sphere of influence have just changed allegiance or are about to.

To lose pakistan in this fiasco would have been a capitol blunder by the U S----it started going that way---but maybe---maybe some common sense took over the rhetoric of Mr Obama and Clinton-----loss of pakistan would have been extremely severe to the u s interests in the region and may create the catalyst to over throw the rest of the dictatorial regimes in the area. If the u s has backed off for that reason-----good common sense thinking---otherwise there would be bigger issues to worry about.

 

[RescueRanger]

US Special Forces may repeat Iran, Afghan ops


February 20, 2011


ISLAMABAD - The possibility that US could conduct a commando style operation to ‘rescue’ Raymond Davis does not stay out of sight. Not to forget that the US forces had done similar kind of operations in Iran and Afghanistan.
The United States carried out a similar mission in Iran in April 1980 after Iranian Revolutionary Guards in the American Embassy in Tehran held 52 American nationals as captives. A total number of 66 US nationals at the said US Embassy were detained. Later, 14 of them were released and the remaining ones were held. The deliberations between the US and Iranian governments for the release of detained US nationals failed to come fruitful and the US forces launched Operation Eagle Claw to set the captive Americans free. Jimmy Carter, the then US President, had ordered this rescue mission under the command of Colonel Charles Beckwith. The offensive on the aforesaid embassy was to be initiated after disrupting electrical power supply in the area to sabotage any military response by the Iranians.
As per operation plan, AC-130 gunships were to hover around to provide supporting fire. The helicopters were to transport the rescuers and hostages to Manzariyeh Air Base outside of Tehran. There, a ranger force would seize the airfield to permit C-141 transports to land in advance for transporting the captives contingent from Iran under the protection of fighter planes. However, this well thought out military offensive failed due to unfavourable weather conditions triggered by thunderstorms causing casualties of two of the eight RH-53D Sea Stallion helicopters. The RH-53 collided with AC-130 gunships and subsequently, eight US servicemen died, including those of US field Army and Air Force personnel.


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Of course you do realise that this would be a military and political blunder of epic proportions. What this article lacks in reading, it makes up for in serving as a perfect wrap for my samosa's... but that's about it.

 

[Rig Vedic]

Exactly!! Raymond Davis is not an example for ANY of my country's diplomats to follow. Hillary Clinton should let him twist in the Pakistani wind as a lesson to any other "cowboy diplomats" that we may have stationed in Pakistan, or even Italy, for that matter. Our diplomats should be read the riot act: If you can't do the job diplomatically, then you are not a diplomat!!!!! Blowing two people away using an illegal weapon, on a public street, is NOT diplomatic!!! I am really, really tired of all the American energy being expended in an effort to save this guy's a$$! Hillary, he is not worth it!!!

Obviously he is not a diplomat in the traditional sense of the term. However, Americans are being killed in Afghanistan because of bad guys operating from Pakistan, and there is difficult and dangerous work that needs doing. Some Pakistanis may think that he shot two people for fun. But in all likelihood he felt himself under threat, and there is no reason to believe the was not serving honorably.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

"The realization is hitting america that they first lost Tunisia, then Egypt---now there is chaos in one of their biggest overseas naval base ie in Bahrain----Yemen is in turmopil and so is Libya---. All these countries under the u s sphere of influence have just changed allegiance or are about to.

To lose pakistan in this fiasco would have been a capitol blunder by the U S----it started going that way---but maybe---maybe some common sense took over the rhetoric of Mr Obama and Clinton-----loss of pakistan would have been extremely severe to the u s interests in the region and may create the catalyst to over throw the rest of the dictatorial regimes in the area. If the u s has backed off for that reason-----good common sense thinking---otherwise there would be bigger issues to worry about."

There is this thing which people have to realize now. You cannot use dictators, corrupt politicians etc for longer. The real relationship comes when there is a sane leadership on both sides, crystal clear hands. If the U.S. and Pakistan really wanna have a good relationship, people to people contact is inevitable. You cannot give money to the leaders while listening 'go amrika go' on the streets, this will create more polarization and hatred among society. This will also create an ideological difference between rich and poor, which is already happening. If people of Pakistan stop burning flags of the U.S., by in large, that moment the real relationship will start.

One more thing, gone are the days when people were oppressed for centuries and the lava exploded after decades. In the near future, that lava will merely take years to explode. So, in this case, sane corrupt men should get some lesson--.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Davis is answerable not just to Pakistan courts, but I presume also to American peoples (govt. and civilians) considering the fact that we was in contact with some very "strange" people in N. Waziristan; people belonging to groups dubbed terrorist organizations by certain entities

to wit:

(Chapter 8 -- Foreign Terrorist Organizations)


i wonder why he himself in the "interrogation video" (if that's what it's to be called) doesn't harp on about diplomatic immunity; he keeps asking for his passport while he gets bottled Nestle water. He himself says he is a consultant.

 

[RescueRanger]

Obviously he is not a diplomat in the traditional sense of the term. However, Americans are being killed in Afghanistan because of bad guys operating from Pakistan, and there is difficult and dangerous work that needs doing. Some Pakistanis may think that he shot two people for fun. But in all likelihood he felt himself under threat, and there is no reason to believe the was not serving honorably.

Okay since you started this.. Can you link empirical information highlighting the number of attacks form Pakistani based Taliban on US Assets in Afghanistan. Please don't derail the thread and discuss the facts of the Raymond Davis case. You say "dangerous" works needs to be done, yes it does that is why we have the Army, Paramilitary forces, police, etc... Use them, don't hire Magnum PI to come play Miami 5.0 in our cities. We are doing our part of the JOB in OUR country:
Pak Institute for Peace Studies (PIPS), Independent Think Tank in Pakistan

So we can stop that silly argument of US intervention in Pakistan being a necessary evil.. "Sovereign Nation" and it's sanctity, please read about it... Just look around you, Egypt, Bahrain, Libya... The whole region is a powder keg...

, and there is no reason to believe the was not serving honorably.

Tell that to the family of the guy who was crushed by the Land Cruiser.. So tell me this, where would it stop? Would we need a barbaric Falluja like incident to remind our friends that enough is enough? Your post lacks maturity, do some research on the background of your subject you are debating then come back to us and talk to us about honor.

Regards,

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Obviously he is not a diplomat in the traditional sense of the term. However, Americans are being killed in Afghanistan because of bad guys operating from Pakistan, and there is difficult and dangerous work that needs doing. Some Pakistanis may think that he shot two people for fun. But in all likelihood he felt himself under threat, and there is no reason to believe the was not serving honorably.

indians are being beat up and killed in Australia; despite the violence in parts of Pakistan, we dont want to set a bad precedent by allowing more of our people to get killed

of course the 2 scenarios are different --but just saying.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

were Black Water consultants granted "diplomatic immunity" after the Baghdad incident?

 

[DV RULES]

Hi,

This special forces ops is not possible at this moment-----you see---the americans were caught with their pants down this time. Mr Obama and Ms Clinto forgot waht was happening around the world----their reaction to this issue was a knee jerk reaction.

The realization is hitting america that they first lost Tunisia, then Egypt---now there is chaos in one of their biggest overseas naval base ie in Bahrain----Yemen is in turmopil and so is Libya---. All these countries under the u s sphere of influence have just changed allegiance or are about to.

To lose pakistan in this fiasco would have been a capitol blunder by the U S----it started going that way---but maybe---maybe some common sense took over the rhetoric of Mr Obama and Clinton-----loss of pakistan would have been extremely severe to the u s interests in the region and may create the catalyst to over throw the rest of the dictatorial regimes in the area. If the u s has backed off for that reason-----good common sense thinking---otherwise there would be bigger issues to worry about.

Obviously, it could be worst idea but we are not Afghanistan& Iraq. News i posted above is clicking over option so option is ever option but not to ignore even if we are strong and confident over impossibility.

What about US's strategical downfall in Africa & Gulf then i am not agree with you, what is going on there is interesting strange & part of next big move. Better to discuss in related thread.

 

[RescueRanger]

were Black Water consultants granted "diplomatic immunity" after the Baghdad incident?

Blackwater Immunity | CrossLeft

 

[RescueRanger]

indians are being beat up and killed in Australia; despite the violence in parts of Pakistan, we dont want to set a bad precedent by allowing more of our people to get killed

of course the 2 scenarios are different --but just saying.

No, No sir. It is different when Pakistanis get injured or killed. There is a dangerous job to do here, don't you know..

 

[DV RULES]

Davis is answerable not just to Pakistan courts, but I presume also to American peoples (govt. and civilians) considering the fact that we was in contact with some very "strange" people in N. Waziristan; people belonging to groups dubbed terrorist organizations by certain entities

to wit:

(Chapter 8 -- Foreign Terrorist Organizations)


i wonder why he himself in the "interrogation video" (if that's what it's to be called) doesn't harp on about diplomatic immunity; he keeps asking for his passport while he gets bottled Nestle water. He himself says he is a consultant.

Word consultant usually used by undercover agents in Embassy or consulates of any country. This is a general term, but they are not part of administration as their activities can't be proven by Embassy officials. "POLITICHESKI SOVETNIKI (Political consultant)"

 

[SekrutYakhni]

"POLITICHESKI SOVETNIKI (Political consultant)"
Spasibo.