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Have you and your countrymen fallen so far from civilization into barbarism that the only courses of action you can think of are begging or killing?

No! But you and your countrymen have surely fallen so far from civilization into barbarism that calling you people human beings has become an insult to the word itself!

Bloody terrorists!
 
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Originally Posted by davelindorff
I am an American journalist and have done some investigating into the case. You can read my article in Counterpunch at counterpunch.org exposing the fact that Raymond Davis's company, Hyperion-Protective Consultants, is a front--it's address is a vacant storefront in a deserted shopping mall, and the rental agent says it has never been rented to such a company. You can see a Google Earth photo of the empty mall on my newspaper's website at This Can't Be Happening | A news collective, founded as a blog in 2004, covering war, politics, environment, economy, culture and all the madness

I would be very much interested in hearing more about your contact with a police source who gave such detail about the arrest.

Thank you.
Dave Lindorff
dlindorff@mindspring.com
ThisCantBeHappening


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Post it here.

I dont get it, why delete it?
He got some valid points :undecided:
and what does Post it here-- means?
 
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Mr. Davis spent 10 years in the American military, starting with basic training at Fort Benning, Ga., in 1993. He moved to special warfare training with the Third Special Forces Group at Fort Bragg, N.C., in 1998, and left the Army in 2003. His only overseas posting, according to his Army service record, was a six-month stint as a member of a United Nations peacekeeping force in Macedonia in 1994.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/world/asia/09pakistan.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2
 
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US denies cutting contacts
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usa has got itself caught into the monkey-trap of afghanistan.Cutting ties will only harm its interests and it WOT.usa likes it or not it has to listen to pakistan on Davis case and let the pakistani courts decide his sentence.All noise making from usa will only harm it.
 
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Under international law Pakistan's Foreign Office has jurisdiction and cannot refer to the courts!

That is crap! My dad has been a diplomat for 25 years in the Embassy of Pakistan. once He had an accident in syria, on his private car and did not have proper documentation on him. He was taken to police station and was not allowed to go home until their FO confirmed his status. And that was through their local magistrate court that let him go. And this happened in a country that has brotherly relations with us and my dad wasnt a hitman on an espionage mission.

So please let us do our work and spare us from ur utter bullshit. Immunity needs to be determined by the host country. Just because usa says he is an angel so we shd all believe it?! Let our FO determine what his status is and our authorities establish why was he carring spy equipment and well let him go. have the patience to respect our laws cuz thats what u expect from us when we are in ur country.
 
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Under international law Pakistan's Foreign Office has jurisdiction and cannot refer to the courts!

The foreign office did NOT refer the case to court so your lame excuse is failed . on the other hand the court has the jurisdiction to summon FO and argue under judicial rules.
 
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Apologies if this has been posted already:

The smoking gun

Asif Ezdi
Wednesday, February 09, 2011

The US authorities continue to issue contradictory statements concerning the Raymond Davis case. They seem to have taken Albert Einstein quite literally when he said, “If the facts don’t fit the theory, change the facts.” Subsequently, the Americans have tried to change the facts of the case in three important respects.

First, Davis was initially described as a staff member of the US Consulate General in Lahore. Then, without explanation, this was changed and he was said to be a member of the administrative and technical staff of the Embassy.

Second, on January 27, Crowley, the State Department Spokesman, denied that the killer’s name was “Raymond Davis”. Then last week, a spokeswoman for the US embassy said Crowley had not denied that the name was “Raymond Davis”.

Third, the US Embassy has revised its account of the circumstances in which Davis killed the two Pakistanis. The US Embassy’s press release of January 29 said he was “confronted” by two armed men on motorcycles who he had every reason to believe meant him bodily harm. Then, on February 3, the US Embassy said that the two Pakistanis had been killed following an “attack on the diplomat by armed assailants.” Being confronted by armed men, as everyone knows, is not the same as being attacked by them. According to another account of the US Embassy, Davis was not even “confronted” by the two young men. The British newspaper, Daily Telegraph, reported on the basis of information provided by the US Embassy that the two men had pulled alongside Davis on a motorbike at traffic lights. He saw that one of them had a gun. Apparently fearing that he was about to be robbed, he opened fire, killing both. The claim that they had criminal backgrounds has not been proved. Even if it is true, Davis could not have known about it. Even if he had, he did not have the license to shoot them down.

To confuse matters further, the US Embassy has been using the term “diplomat” and “member of the administrative and technical staff” (of the Embassy) interchangeably to describe the killer. As anyone who has read the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Convention knows, the two are entirely different categories. The term “diplomat” can only be used for a member of the diplomatic staff, which by definition, a member of the administrative and technical staff, is not.

Yet, it is correct, as the Embassy maintains, that under Article 37 of the Convention, a member of the administrative and technical staff of the Embassy enjoys the same immunity from criminal jurisdiction that a diplomat does. The central issue therefore is whether Davis was a member of the US Embassy’s administrative and technical staff. Whether he holds a diplomatic passport from his government or was issued a diplomatic or official visa by Pakistani authorities is immaterial.

The main argument used by the US in support of its claim to immunity for Davis is that the Embassy notified the Foreign Ministry on January 20, 2010 that he had been assigned to the mission as a member of its administrative and technical staff. The fact that his name had been notified would ordinarily qualify him for being treated as a member of the Embassy’s administrative and technical staff. But in this case, there are four reasons why this claim cannot be accepted.

First, the Foreign Ministry asked the Embassy to provide some further information about Davis before issuing an identity card to him as a member of the Embassy staff. The Embassy did not provide the necessary clarifications.

Second, Davis’ name was not included in the list of Embassy staff given to the Foreign Ministry on January 25, 2011, two days before the shooting, apparently, because at that time he was assigned to the Lahore Consulate General. This list superseded the earlier notification that he was a member of the Embassy staff. He was put on a revised list of Embassy staff submitted a day after the incident only to enable him to claim diplomatic immunity.

Third, the Embassy’s press release issued a day after the shooting described him as a consular employee. This is the most authoritative statement on his status.

Fourth, and most importantly, the man has a fake identity. Whatever his true name is, it is not Raymond Davis. The notification of this name by the US Embassy does not therefore confer any immunity on the person who carried out the shooting.

The US Embassy is right about one thing though. It is for the Foreign Ministry to make a determination on the status of the person who goes by the name of Raymond Davis. This determination, as the Diplomatic and Consular Privileges Act of 1972 lays down, is to be treated as final and conclusive.

The Foreign Ministry and the Punjab government must also forcefully take up the case of the third Pakistani who was killed when he was run over by an SUV of the US Consulate General sent to help Davis. US refusal to cooperate in the investigation is a flagrant breach of the Vienna Conventions and our failure to press them harder is simply unforgivable. The federal government and the Punjab government both share the responsibility for this.

The US is obviously deeply perturbed at the fact that Davis is in Pakistani custody. The equipment and weapons he was carrying leave no doubt that he was engaged in unauthorised undercover activity. The people of Pakistan have long suspected that the hundreds of armed men who roam their streets under the US diplomatic umbrella and others who work behind the walls of US missions are here as part of some sinister plan against the country’s security. Now there is a smoking gun to strengthen these suspicions and it has a name – or alias: Raymond Davis.

These suspicions could have been dispelled if the Americans had not raised hell over his arrest. Instead, Washington has resorted to crude threats. Hillary Clinton telephoned Zardari reportedly to convey to him that the US is losing patience. This is familiar language. Powerful states employ it to threaten those who do not comply with their demands. Last month, a senior US official publicly warned that US patience at Pakistan’s effort to block negotiation of a treaty to ban the production of fissile material was running out. (Historically, the most famous use of the term was by Hitler. In a speech in September 1938, he demanded the cession of Sudetenland to Germany. “My patience,” he warned, “has run out.” Four days later, the Munich Agreement was signed permitting him to annex Sudetenland.)

It has been suggested by some of our analysts that if we do not release Davis, Hillary Clinton might not smile as broadly as she did at her last meeting with Shah Mahmood. That is possible. But we can live with that. I am sure Shah Mahmood can live with it too. Zardari’s visit to Washington could be postponed, though it is unlikely. Even if it is, it will be no tragedy. Whether Zardari will be prepared for the shock is another matter.

But the so-called “strategic dialogue” or “strategic partnership” between the two countries is not under threat. The US needs this relationship as much as we do. It is not for love of the Pakistani people that the US is providing military and economic assistance to us. The Americans are doing so to serve their own national interests.

The government will do a great service not only to the nation but also to itself if it does not bow to US demands on Davis. It will give some credibility to our claim of being a sovereign country and do a lot of good to national self-esteem. God knows we need it badly. Countries that succumb to the first signs of international pressure never attain their national goals. Our problem is that our ruling class and the “liberal elite” allied with them are very comfortable in their cocoons and will risk nothing that could even remotely jeopardize their cushy life style.



The writer is a former member of the Pakistan Foreign Service.

Email: asifezdi@yahoo.com

The smoking gun
 
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LOL I SAID THIS YESTURDAY AND NO ONE PASS COMMENT ON MY THREAD (Conference Agenda) in same section and today THIS NEWS ! LOL


THIS IS WHAT I SAID YESTURDAY


Gool Meez Conference..

Agenda:

Raymond Davis

Raymond Davis

Raymond Davis



Tum b khaoo ham b khatay hain! tum apnay baywakoofoon ko sanmbhaloo... ham apnay baywakofoon ko sanmbhaaltay hain... na tum pump karoo apnay logooon ko na ham karengay!

warna AMERICA hamare **** kay rakhdayga! sedhay ALFAAZ may!

Army - Govt ALL DEPENDS ON USA! Directly straight forward!

1, American budget coming on way in April... if this Raymond Davis issue not resolve .. AID will be SHUTDOWN!

2, Army Collation fund already STOP 400 M$$ already HOLD!

3, Army Military funds already STOP!

4, 1.5 B Kerry AID HOLD ON!

DEAR PAKISTAN AND PAKISTAN GOVT - ARMY ALL DEPEND ON US!

TODAY I BET ON THIS!
this so called damn **** Conference just to CALM DOWN SITUATION AND HAND OVER THIS DAVIS UNCLE BACK TO UNCLE SAM! otherwise Uncle sam will **** u with in SECONDS!

and he already DOES!

GOVT of this nation continously FOOLING WHOLE NATION AND STILL GOING ON!
 
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Pakistan should hurry up and punish this criminal. Stop wasting time, get this guy while Pakistan has him. Justice for the widow and victims.




US will eventually get over it and move on, Afghanistan card is in Pakistan's hand.
 
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Just do a poll:

Do you think RD would be let off without a trial?

And 90% would vote YES....


And those of others who vote negative would be known as immotional, ignorant, who do not know how international power matrix works in today´s strategic relations.
 
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Pakistan should hurry up and punish this criminal. Stop wasting time, get this guy while Pakistan has him. Justice for the widow and victims.
Revenge for Dr. Aafia Sidiqui


What about drones which are more deadly, killing many, day in day out, UNLIKE Aafia, drones are responsible for Pakistan´s sovergnity, hounor and diginty?

Stop drones and do some more justice then.....
 
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Immunity needs to be determined by the host country.

No doubt! But within the framework of Vienna convention, where Pakistan has signed the dotted lines willfully!
 
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That is crap! My dad has been a diplomat for 25 years in the Embassy of Pakistan. once He had an accident in syria, on his private car and did not have proper documentation on him. He was taken to police station and was not allowed to go home until their FO confirmed his status.
Yep, in the police station. He was there only a matter of hours, right?

Let our FO determine what his status is -
They know.

...and our authorities establish why was he carring spy equipment -
Under diplomatic immunity he can't be held during an investigation.

Expect no resonable answer mate! One set of rules for americans, and other for the rest of the world.
Yeah, it seems everyone other than Americans gets treated properly.

The foreign office did NOT refer the case to court so your lame excuse is failed . on the other hand the court has the jurisdiction to summon FO and argue under judicial rules.
The FO says it is deferring stating Davis' diplomatic immunity to the court.
 
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