Raymond Davis Case: Court to begin hearing today

[American Eagle]

Nope. Mr. Davis is certified out of the US Embassy in Islamabad, and does as do all diplomats world wide consulting services as required at the various US Consulates but his permanent duty station is the US Embassy. I suspect you pick and choose slanted stories to keep this tread going. It may end sooner than you think.

 

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It is not so easy as you assumed, dream on further.

US democracy at its peak point.

 

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Meanwhile Raymond stuff is going on, another story is developing in Peshawar!

US national arrested in Peshawar sent to jail on 14-day remand | Metropolitan | DAWN.COM

Another theatrical story, overstays in Pakistan out of love

 

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Meanwhile Raymond stuff is going on, another story is developing in Peshawar!

US national arrested in Peshawar sent to jail on 14-day remand | Metropolitan | DAWN.COM

Another theatrical story, overstays in Pakistan out of love

It is good attitude which they must have to adopt 2 years ago. I worry over one thing that is interference of our sold interior ministry & higher government official who ever rushed to support their US lords.

2nd worry over basic attitude of our people where emotional percentage is bigger than other, lake of constancy, continuity & hold one line. Once they started investigate these elements but after some time they again will relax so my point is this relaxation never should be.

Pakistan indirectly in status of war or you can say emergency situation, we are facing existence problem and in my point of view this situation never allowed to consider what is international rules & regulations (yes but only in limited civilian circle) when we attacked by covert foreign intelligences. We respect foreign diplomats & their existence on our land but respect must be in particular & specified boundaries. They are here to represent their country, to develop diplomatic relation and relations in all civil & political (controlled) categories, they are on our land to develop international collaboration BUT not for terrorism & cover war, suicide attacks, dirty activities. Of course they are not well come in negative activities.

If any country is super power then it will in their own country, By the charter of UN there is no definition which justified a super power to threaten other countries by any resources or tactics.

By supporting Davis US only will make bad repute in world but if he will help Pakistan to bring a killer into court then it will make good repute and example for other(obviously hard to do it for US)

 

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The Davis Spy Crisis: Top Spooks in the U.S. and Pakistan Get in the Act - TIME

Apparently the CIA and ISI are rumored to be exploring middle ground, several options exist:

1. Davis gets tried in the US.
2. CIA declares all its operatives and brings them under the ISI umbrella.
3. ISI gets to limit the number of CIA operatives in Pakistan.

I personally don't find making deals agreeable, especially considering CIA would say yes to anything right now only renege on it later, at least stronger terms should be laid out and nothing short of ENDING the CIA's mission in Pakistan is required with an ultimatum that all spies caught henceforth will not enjoy immunity.

Also I would suggest Davis being tried in a neutral country, rather than the US. I think thats the minimum, that the ISI should negotiate with them. If not at all, of course.

 

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I personally don't find making deals agreeable, especially considering CIA would say yes to anything right now only renege on it later, at least stronger terms should be laid out and nothing short of ENDING the CIA's mission in Pakistan is required with an ultimatum that all spies caught henceforth will not enjoy immunity.

Also I would suggest Davis being tried in a neutral country, rather than the US. I think thats the minimum, that the ISI should negotiate with them. If not at all, of course.

Disagreeable or not, trustworthy or not, a "deal" will happen and RD will be back in the USA within a short period of time. The spy vs spy games will continue.

 

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Disagreeable or not, trustworthy or not, a "deal" will happen and RD will be back in the USA within a short period of time. The spy vs spy games will continue.

That won't be too bad too, I'm hoping to see some band bajaing going on for all these powerholds in Pakistan. It will be just what is needed to mobilize the people's force. Although, once FO says there is no immunity, any deal would have to include the victims' families and in general be acceptable to all of Pakistan, not just agencies and individuals.

I don't know about you, but these "spy games" are no fun, and shouldn't be taken lightly. If the CIA ends its mission in Pakistan, that could be a starting point for discussions, otherwise we are just being made "chay" in this and it will be of no benefit to Pakistan. A deal is a deal, when it benefits you.

 

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That won't be too bad too, I'm hoping to see some band bajaing going on for all these powerholds in Pakistan. It will be just what is needed to mobilize the people's force. Although, once FO says there is no immunity, any deal would have to include the victims' families and in general be acceptable to all of Pakistan, not just agencies and individuals.

I don't know about you, but these "spy games" are no fun, and shouldn't be taken lightly. If the CIA ends its mission in Pakistan, that could be a starting point for discussions, otherwise we are just being made "chay" in this and it will be of no benefit to Pakistan. A deal is a deal, when it benefits you.

Asim: I find your post perfectly logical and appropriate, except that I am not able to speculate on what the FO will decide in light of international legal counsel already sought as to the issue of diplomatic immunity for RD. It will be clear soon enough.

Spy "games" are no fun for sure, but they are deadly serious and important, and for all sorts of reasons, both the ISI and the CIA, as well as other agencies, will surely not stop those just because of one case.

 

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Meanwhile Raymond stuff is going on, another story is developing in Peshawar!

US national arrested in Peshawar sent to jail on 14-day remand | Metropolitan | DAWN.COM

Another theatrical story, overstays in Pakistan out of love

Not out of love for sure.

Falcon Complex wherein his love in-laws said to be staying is a highly highly sensitive area.


The authorities in Pakistan and locals should be taken to task for facilitating these anti-Pakistan spies

 

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The attitude I would like to see from my leaders is that ghissi piti line of Mr. Musharraf "Sab se pehle Pakistan". They have to behave in such a manner, that they keep the interests of Pakistan first.

Side, note: The interests of Pakistan is not surviving from being "bombed to the stone age". The interests are in freedom, secularism, economic progress, strong institutions and democratic processes.

Their behavior should exhibit that they are ready to F-over the entire freakin Universe if it means benefiting Pakistan. That doesn't mean we follow anti-universe policies, but at least the attitude should exhibit that quality so that the person they are dealing with doesn't get too brazen with their demands as is with the US-Pak relationship.

 

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The attitude I would like to see from my leaders is that ghissi piti line of Mr. Musharraf "Sab se pehle Pakistan". They have to behave in such a manner, that they keep the interests of Pakistan first.

Side, note: The interests of Pakistan is not surviving from being "bombed to the stone age". The interests are in freedom, secularism, economic progress, strong institutions and democratic processes.

Their behavior should exhibit that they are ready to F-over the entire freakin Universe if it means benefiting Pakistan. That doesn't mean we follow anti-universe policies, but at least the attitude should exhibit that quality so that the person they are dealing with doesn't get too brazen with their demands as is with the US-Pak relationship.

Rather noble sentiments for sure, but Pakistan has no leaders, only self-serving rulers. Quite a subtle but important difference, that.

 

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Rather noble sentiments for sure, but Pakistan has no leaders, only self-serving rulers. Quite a subtle but important difference, that.

That's where its our fault, not the leaders. I will revert to the old adage that "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". And we did nothing, while these leaders flourished, triumphed.

But my complaint with several Pakistanis on this thread, including you and Mastan, is that why are you so quick to resign to that as inevitability. I mean don't you see that, this attitude, is demoralizing, demotivating and eventually de-Pakistanizing.

Let me tell you, Pakistan doesn't suck that bad that it can't have hopeful patriots. I'm pretty sure the jungles of Congo, the desolate lands of Somalia and Ethiopia, and several other destitute lands all have patriots still hoping for a change in Africa. Why can't we? So this important difference, is not etched in stone, its just another hurdle we need to demolish.

I feel like a cliche' machine but I have to point out this saying I read in a Stephen R. Covey book "Be solution oriented, and you will make solutions, be Problem oriented and you will make problems"

 

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