Rafale vs sukhoi 30 mki

[shree835]

Both belong to different class.. In dog fight you are comparing a TVC capable aircraft with a non-TVC capable aircraft.

Prime role of MKI is air superiority if Rafale can beat it at air superiority then sorry to say HAL should stop manufacturing MKIs. Indian officials are not fool, they know better than the fool who has compared two aircrafts.

First time I am 100% agreeing with a Pakistani... A sensible post...

 

[angeldemon_007]

aNALYSIS IS QUITE GOOD AND TO BE FRANK BECAUSE OF RAFALES LOW RCS IT HAS GOT AN EDGE, OTHERWISE THE RADAR OF SU30MKI IS VERY POWERFUL.

NOW CONSIDERING A POWERFUL AESA IS GONNA FIT ON SU30 MKI CONVERTING IT INTO SUPER SU30 MKI, I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE EASIER FOR RAFALE UNLESS THEY ENTER INTO A DOGFIGHT.

AS FAR BVR IS CONCERNED SU30 WILL ALSO SOON BE ABLE TO USE THE NEW MISSILES WHICH ARE BEING BUILT FOR PAKFA AND DON'T FORGET 400KM RANGE AWACS KILLER (Novator K-100) AND BRAHMOS SUPERSONIC CRUISE MISSILE WHICH WILL AGAIN PUT SUPER SU30 AHEAD OF RAFALE.

NOW COMES MANEUVERABILITY. SU30 MKI HAS TVC, IT IS VERY MANEUVERABLE. IN SUPER 30 IT WILL GET A MORE POWERFUL TVC ENGINE MAKING IT MORE LETHAL AND MANEUVERABLE.

 

[kingdurgaking]

As far as i am considered... MKI has more advantage both in WVR and long range engagement.. It is definitely a better bet for deep strike option... Rafale is good in avionics and maintenance ... where as MKI doesnt win in this area.. with super upgrade though it will upgrade its armaments both it will not be able to meet Rafale avionics even in future...

 

[T90TankGuy]

it is like comparing apples and oranges . YOU cant .

 

[sancho]

it is like comparing apples and oranges . YOU cant .

Actually you can, since Rafale just like EF is an advanced fighter, developed to counter the Flanker thread and both showed that they are able to go up against heavy class fighters like the F15 too.
But since MKI and Rafale have many capabilities and advantages, it will be difficult to find out which one is really the better one in general. MKI for example might have advantages in terms of detection, but it's big RCS works against it again and Rafale might at least detect it at the same range. Also Meteor is by far superior to R77, which gives Rafale the first shot advantage with the higher no escape zone. Which means the bigger radar alone, doesn't make it superior in BVR!
So you have to take any feature of them one on one to define where the MKI or the Rafale is a bit better.

 

[rockstarIN]

Actually you can, since Rafale just like EF is an advanced fighter, developed to counter the Flanker thread and both showed that they are able to go up against heavy class fighters like the F15 too.
But since MKI and Rafale have many capabilities and advantages, it will be difficult to find out which one is really the better one in general. MKI for example might have advantages in terms of detection, but it's big RCS works against it again and Rafale might at least detect it at the same range. Also Meteor is by far superior to R77, which gives Rafale the first shot advantage with the higher no escape zone. Which means the bigger radar alone, doesn't make it superior in BVR!
So you have to take any feature of them one on one to define where the MKI or the Rafale is a bit better.

R-77 will be replaced with the new R-77 variant or Astra-11 with ramjet engine. I think all these fight comes down to Electronics.. And how much Rafale's sensor fusion cope with additional navigator.

 

[sancho]

R-77 will be replaced with the new R-77 variant or Astra-11 with ramjet engine. I think all these fight comes down to Electronics.. And how much Rafale's sensor fusion cope with additional navigator.

If we compare, we should compare on available infos and not speculate. Neither a Ramjet version of R77 is available, because they currently develop the version with improved seekers and folding wings for stealth fighters, nor is such an ASTRA version anywhere close to be available (not even the early version of Astra is ready for induction).
It's not like Rafale is not available in twin seat config right?

 

[Hello_10]

You my dear don't know a **** about plane.
The two planes are of different class meant for different objectives.

Not exactly. Its true that SU30MKI is primarily an Air Superiority aircraft but it is now categorized with Multi Role aircrafts and even if Rafale is categorized as a Multi Role Aircraft, it is a very competent side of air superiority role also. It used to be the time in early 90s when Mig29 was for only air superiority role for IAF and Mirage2000H for mainly a2g operations under consideration only. But now we find Mig29VOT/ Mig35 was among MMRCA contesters and was found very capable while evaluation. The reason why IN is currently buying Mig29K for their aircraft carriers, which is balanced with a2a and a2g roles both.

Even if Rafale is a high end side for multi role operations with a ‘competent’ air superiority roles also, France isn’t buying any air superiority aircraft like EFT Typhoon and this way France will rely only on Rafale for their future air defense till 2030 and onwards, as per their current plan. so it is argued that Rafale is a ‘complete’ aircraft. On the other hand, Super Sukhoi Su30mki/ SU35BM is rated as 'high end side' for air superiority roles with ‘good’ level of multi role operations also. So it is fully justified to have a true multi role aircraft like Rafale for very specialized a2g operations along with SU30mki.

But yes SU35/ SU30MKI is considered as the biggest threat for US’s future aircrafts. It is considered as ‘top end side’ for air superiority roles in world by many analysts.

Part of the presentation showed a computer simulation which calculated that the F-35 would be consistently defeated by the Russian-made SU-35 fighter aircraft. The defeat calculated by the scenario also showed the loss of the F-35's supporting airborne-early warning and air-to-air refueling aircraft.

http://www.f-16.net/news_article4416.html

 

[Shinigami]

is super 30 > su35?

 

[boltu]

Western machines always have an upper hand over Russian ones,as simple as that

 

[shree835]

Western machines always have an upper hand over Russian ones,as simple as that

Aeee BOKA Ki bolche tumi...keno...??

 

[boltu]

Aeee BOKA Ki bolche tumi...keno...??

Kichu na dada,shudhu bollam je pashchima ra Roosh der chey technologically onek beshi agiye !!
you Bangali ?? or i just wasted a line here

 

[Pakistanisage]

What is the point of comparing two aircrafts from your own Arsenal/Inventory ?

I am sure your Air Force Invested in these two weapons to fill in different roles.

 

[OrionHunter]

Rafale vs SU-30MKI

Rafale is a better fighter according to the source.

And Rafale is a better dog fighter.

Friend, the days of dog fighting are almost over what with advanced BVR capabilities of most of these 4th/5th generation fighters.

Note that even the F-35 sucks where maneuverability is concerned and is considered no match for the SU30s in this respect. The designers have sacrificed this aspect in order to include other capabilities as the next war would hardly see any dog fights!

Cheers!

 

[shiv]

Kichu na dada,shudhu bollam je pashchima ra Roosh der chey technologically onek beshi agiye !!
you Bangali ?? or i just wasted a line here

It's not bangali but bengali !!

The fact is russian fighters were developed with entirely different thing in mind than the US/EU fighters. The former wanted to keep it cheap and primarily for defense whereas the latter was developed keeping in mind better offensive capabilities.

Eg. Russia focused on super maneuverability as dog fights are more probable in a defense scenario while the latter focused more on stealth/VLO capabilities and better BVRs etc...