Rafale; A BMW driven by a Rickshawala

[FuturePAF]

I came across this interesting video that might give useful insights.

An interesting review (by a veteran of one of India’s main Think Tanks; ORF) of the Indian procurement process of the Rafale and why the pilots are inadequate.

Three points that peaked my interest;
1. To save money India did not include a clause to guarantee spare parts in the even of sanctions after a future war, which may limit India’s use of the Rafale in the opening action of a war. (The speaker claims the primary requirement was to be able to reach, deliver and safely return from Shanghai and Beijing after having dropped a strategic weapon upon it)
2. Electronics should really be single nation sources so that integration work can be done well before delivery and one system doesn’t jam another system.
3. Had India procured 126 Rafales, the initial purchase would have costed all up $32-36 Billion and ended up costing $100 Billion when all is said and done at the end of a 30 year life cycle (this would have consumed the next 15 years of India’s procurement budget alone, per the speaker). Considering this, I doubt India will try to procure any more Rafales beyond the 36 they are looking into, and may move to procure American hardware. To counter this Rafale purchase, if the PAF procures only 18-24 F-16 Block 70/72, and doesn’t even upgrades its existing F-16s it may be able to hold back the Indians for at least another decade, maybe more, as the 18 Block 52s have done over the last decade and a half.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

According to Elon Musk, the future of the air warfare belongs to the UAVs, aided by AI/ML etc., of all sorts.....

I am pretty sure the Pak General Staffs are fully aware of it and working accordingly....

 

[FuturePAF]

According to Elon Musk, the future of the air warfare belongs to the UAVs, aided by AI/ML etc., of all sorts.....

I am pretty sure the Pak General Staffs are fully aware of it and working accordingly....

They are watching technology development from Turkey and China

 

[R Wing]

According to Elon Musk, the future of the air warfare belongs to the UAVs, aided by AI/ML etc., of all sorts.....

I am pretty sure the Pak General Staffs are fully aware of it and working accordingly....

They're usually aware of a lot --- but whether they are working toward it or not can't be guaranteed given various strategic blunders over the decades.

 

[KhanBaba2]

The speaker claims the primary requirement was to be able to reach, deliver and safely return from Shanghai and Beijing after having dropped a strategic weapon upon it

Anyone saying that has no idea what he is talking about. The Rafale cannot hit Shanghai or Beijing from India.

 

[LeGenD]

UAV vs. F-35 ???

Its a radical concept but it is not going to work.

 

[IblinI]

The speaker claims the primary requirement was to be able to reach, deliver and safely return from Shanghai and Beijing after having dropped a strategic weapon upon it

 

[FuturePAF]

UAV vs. F-35 ???

Its a radical concept but it is not going to work.

Perhaps not by itself, but if the UAV operates as a forward screening force, it could work in conjunction with manned fighters.

Equipped with a decent IRST and AESA Radar, it could detect the F-35 early and relay its location via datalink to a platform Carrying long range missiles.

 

[21st Century Vampire]

You sugg3st Indians are rickshaw Wala driving a bmw... Well let me tell you our pilots flying planes don't forget to put the landing gear down and don't have fake licenses for

And our pilots and ground crew are not being sacked all.over the Arab world due to no credibility

It's blatantly obvious he's talking in terms of the military...interesting that you conveniently ignored 27th Feb as an example

 

[LeGenD]

Perhaps not by itself, but if the UAV operates as a forward screening force, it could work in conjunction with manned fighters.

Equipped with a decent IRST and AESA Radar, it could detect the F-35 early and relay its location via datalink to a platform Carrying long range missiles.

Interesting take. Credit where due.

There is one problem though. The UAV needs to be really close to F-35 in order to detect it but it will be spotted by then.

The F-35 can produce a 360 degree EO/IR scanning field about 140 KM across (made possible with sensor fusion of several onboard EO/IR sensor systems), and create a visual picture of this scanning field to illuminate potential targets spotted within for the pilot in real-time:

That 360 degree EO/IR field is excellent for illuminating Low Observable targets within its coverage zone. Notice the triangles in the airspace as well as on the surface? These are potential threats to the aircraft but not visible to naked eyes and certain types of targets will not be visible to a radar system when working in isolation but the F-35 have a clear visual on all manner of potential targets in its surroundings across many miles (situational awareness factor), and will distinguish each to the pilot for clear identification inside the HUD in one go.

The F-35 will automatically feed the aforementioned information into its powerful AN/APG-81 AESA radar system (sensor fusion again), and produce weapons-grade lock(s) on the illuminated targets in the process in similar manner as shown in the footage below:

Now it is up to the pilot to engage with armaments onboard. The UAV will be toast before it can do anything significant.

And I have not touched upon the EW aspects of F-35 yet which is a significant theme in itself.

The F-35 was designed to counter existing as well as 'emerging' threats in mind, my friend. It won't be obsolete anytime soon. The jet will remain combat-relevant through decades to come.

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

I came across this interesting video that might give useful insights.

An interesting review (by a veteran of one of India’s main Think Tanks; ORF) of the Indian procurement process of the Rafale and why the pilots are inadequate.

Three points that peaked my interest;
1. To save money India did not include a clause to guarantee spare parts in the even of sanctions after a future war, which may limit India’s use of the Rafale in the opening action of a war. (The speaker claims the primary requirement was to be able to reach, deliver and safely return from Shanghai and Beijing after having dropped a strategic weapon upon it)
2. Electronics should really be single nation sources so that integration work can be done well before delivery and one system doesn’t jam another system.
3. Had India procured 126 Rafales, the initial purchase would have costed all up $32-36 Billion and ended up costing $100 Billion when all is said and done at the end of a 30 year life cycle (this would have consumed the next 15 years of India’s procurement budget alone, per the speaker). Considering this, I doubt India will try to procure any more Rafales beyond the 36 they are looking into, and may move to procure American hardware. To counter this Rafale purchase, if the PAF procures only 18-24 F-16 Block 70/72, and doesn’t even upgrades its existing F-16s it may be able to hold back the Indians for at least another decade, maybe more, as the 18 Block 52s have done over the last decade and a half.

Haha is this Shantu pregnant or something?
This douchebag use to claim that Pakistan would use nuclear on its land and deny it which means that Indian army will move in front of wall of sand.
And isn't he the one who tweeted about Arab women not having orgasams. I guess he was on ovulation period because he's dressed as a pregnant woman.

 

[FuturePAF]

Interesting take. Credit where due.

There is one problem though. The UAV needs to be really close to F-35 in order to detect it but it will be spotted by then.

The F-35 can produce a 360 degree EO/IR scanning field about 140 KM across (made possible with sensor fusion of several onboard EO/IR sensor systems), and create a visual picture of this scanning field to illuminate potential targets spotted within for the pilot in real-time:

That 360 degree EO/IR field is excellent for illuminating Low Observable targets within its coverage zone. Notice the triangles in the airspace as well as on the surface? These are potential threats to the aircraft but not visible to naked eyes and certain types of targets will not be visible to a radar system when working in isolation but the F-35 have a clear visual on all manner of potential targets in its surroundings across many miles (situational awareness factor), and will distinguish each to the pilot for clear identification inside the HUD in one go.

The F-35 will automatically feed the aforementioned information into its powerful AN/APG-81 AESA radar system (sensor fusion again), and produce weapons-grade lock(s) on the illuminated targets in the process in similar manner as shown in the footage below:

Now it is up to the pilot to engage with armaments onboard. The UAV will be toast before it can do anything significant.

And I have not touched upon the EW aspects of F-35 yet which is a significant theme in itself.

The F-35 was designed to counter existing as well as 'emerging' threats in mind, my friend. It won't be obsolete anytime soon. The jet will remain combat-relevant through decades to come.

The F-35 is a potent platform, no doubt. But China seems to be focusing on an asymmetrical approach.

Networks/Datalinks/AI have all been hinted at as 6th generation software capability upgrades for an Air Force.

Relatively cheap drone swarms will be detected but they may exhaust the weapons capacity of an enemy fighter force if they are engaged. They may not even need to carry weapons just be ESM platforms to detect and relay probable locations of enemy stealth fighters, or even just passive receivers of active radar emissions from OTH radars and AWACS radars.

With the home field advantage, China will try to employ a 21st century “people’s war” strategy to detect, localize and defeat enemy forces

 

[Signalian]

To counter this Rafale purchase, if the PAF procures only 18-24 F-16 Block 70/72, and doesn’t even upgrades its existing F-16s it may be able to hold back the Indians for at least another decade, maybe more, as the 18 Block 52s have done over the last decade and a half.

JF-17 is under-estimated a lot in this network centric warfare era. PAF will definitely fly JF-17 against whatever IAF puts up in the air, whether SU30 MKI or Mig-29 or LCA or Mirage-2000 and even Rafale. While IAF may find it difficult to increase numbers of Rafale, PAF will do so much easily with JF-17.

 

[Dark1]

JF-17 is under-estimated a lot in this network centric warfare era. PAF will definitely fly JF-17 against whatever IAF puts up in the air, whether SU30 MKI or Mig-29 or LCA or Mirage-2000 and even Rafale. While IAF may find it difficult to increase numbers of Rafale, PAF will do so much easily with JF-17.

The Chinese are using Russian su35s in ingressing in Taiwanese airspace , also deployed sukhois in the sectors facing india . Reports of s300 and s400 being deployed in tibet in the recent friction. Do you see a pattern ?
And even Pakistan had success with f16s against India last year, lets leave the jf17 myth alone for a while.
You get what i am saying?
@LeGenD your observations too, i liked your attempt at serious moderation a few days back.

 

[Signalian]

lets leave the jf17 myth alone for a while.

Thats the issue.