Questions Regarding Su30Mki

[Patriot]

Hi Guys,
I have few questions regarding MKI.
What kind of radar does it carry..What's the range of radar?
Which BVR missile it carries and whats the range of BVR Missile?
Does it have Helmet Mounted Sight (Usually works with Heat Seekers Small Range Missile)?
Thanks

 

[heartwinlion]

Radar - NIIP N011M Bars (Panther) passive electronically scanned array radar. N011M has a 350 km search range and a maximum 200 km tracking range, and 60 km in the rear hemisphere. The radar can track 15 air targets and engage the 4 most dangerous simultaneously. These targets can even include cruise missiles and motionless helicopters.

Air to Air
R-27R/AA-10A/Astra[38] semi-active radar homing medium range AAM of range 80 km.
R-27T (AA-10B) infrared homing seeker, medium range AAM, 70 km
R-27P (AA-10C) passive radar seeker, long range AAM
R-77 (AA-12) active radar homing medium range AAM, 100 km
R-73 (AA-11) short range AAM, 30 km
R-37 or may be Ks-172 with the range of 400km to kill Awacs or fuel tanker
Air to Ground
Kh-59ME TV guided standoff Missile, 115 km
Kh-59MK Laser guided standoff Missile, 130 km
Kh-35Anti-Ship Missile, 130 km
PJ-10 Bramhos Supersonic Cruise Missile,300 km - future
Kh-31P/A anti-radar missile, 70 km
Kh-29T/L laser guided missile, 30 km

 

[Patriot]

Thanks for the info!

 

[sancho]

Radar - NIIP N011M Bars (Panther) passive electronically scanned array radar. N011M has a 350 km search range and a maximum 200 km tracking range, and 60 km in the rear hemisphere. The radar can track 15 air targets and engage the 4 most dangerous simultaneously. These targets can even include cruise missiles and motionless helicopters.

Hey heartwinlion, do you have any infos about the radars of Su 34/35 and what the differences to Mki are?

 

[heartwinlion]

Hey heartwinlion, do you have any infos about the radars of Su 34/35 and what the differences to Mki are?

SU-34 FULLBACK
Large Leninets B-004 multimode phased array radar, passive phase shifter technology with a Travelling Wave Tube (TWT) transmitter. The radar is claimed to be highly modular with redundant components, reflecting the APQ-164 model to achieve very high mission reliability on long endurance sorties. The X-band design is claimed to achieve a 15 kW peak power rating, although production radars could see the use of higher rating TWT transmitters since developed for the NIIP BARS series.

The radar is claimed to provide a range of 200 to 250 km (108 to 135 NMI) against large surface targets, ground mapping capability to 150 km (81 NMI), Doppler beam sharpened ground mapping to 75 km (40 NMI) and GMTI target tracking to 30 km (16 NMI), the latter similar to contemporary Western attack radars like the APG-76. Detection performance against fighter sized aerial targets is claimed to be 90 km (48.6 NMI), comparable to the N-001 series. A Synthetic Aperture Radar high resolution groundmapping mode was planned, and given its existence in the evolved N-001/N-011M series, does not present difficulties. The radar provides a low altitude terrain avoidance mode, and automatic terrain following capability.

Su-35 Irbis phased array radar
The Su-35 new fire control system consists of the N035 Irbis multifunction radar system and the OLS-35 electro-optical search-and-track system. The N035 Irbis (Irbis-E for export) is an X-band radar with a 900mm passive phased array. Developed by the Tikhomirov NIIP institute the Irbis radar is a derivative of the N011M Bars radar with wider search zone, increased detection range, wider range of operating frequencies and improved resistance to jamming.
The N035's computing system consists of two Russian Solo-35 processors. A new two-stage mechanical drive mounts the phased array. The passive electronic array scans 60° in azimuth and elevation, while the mechanical steering enables the array to rotate an additional 60° for a wider search zone. The Irbis-E is capable of tracking of up to 30 aerial targets in track-while-scan mode and allows simultaneous engagement of two targets using semi-active radar homing missiles or up to eight targets using active radar homing missiles. The Irbis-E is advertised to be capable of detecting and tracking a fighter-sized target head-on at 350-400 km range using its long-range detection mode within a limited sector. It is also claimed to be capable of detecting 'super-low-observable' targets with 0.01 m2 RCS at 90 km range.
For ground attack, the radar is capable of terrain mapping and target acquisition in different resolutions using Doppler beam sharpening and synthetic aperture focusing modes. In combined ground and air mode, the radar is capable of tracking aerial threats with sufficient precision to engage with active radar homing missiles.
Future options for the Su-35 might include a rear-facing radar such as the N012 to be fitted in the tailboom, but the current Su-35 does not contain such equipment.

 

[sancho]

SU-34 FULLBACK
Large Leninets B-004 multimode phased array radar, passive phase shifter technology with a Travelling Wave Tube (TWT) transmitter. The radar is claimed to be highly modular with redundant components, reflecting the APQ-164 model to achieve very high mission reliability on long endurance sorties. The X-band design is claimed to achieve a 15 kW peak power rating, although production radars could see the use of higher rating TWT transmitters since developed for the NIIP BARS series.

The radar is claimed to provide a range of 200 to 250 km (108 to 135 NMI) against large surface targets, ground mapping capability to 150 km (81 NMI), Doppler beam sharpened ground mapping to 75 km (40 NMI) and GMTI target tracking to 30 km (16 NMI), the latter similar to contemporary Western attack radars like the APG-76. Detection performance against fighter sized aerial targets is claimed to be 90 km (48.6 NMI), comparable to the N-001 series. A Synthetic Aperture Radar high resolution groundmapping mode was planned, and given its existence in the evolved N-001/N-011M series, does not present difficulties. The radar provides a low altitude terrain avoidance mode, and automatic terrain following capability.

Su-35 Irbis phased array radar
The Su-35 new fire control system consists of the N035 Irbis multifunction radar system and the OLS-35 electro-optical search-and-track system. The N035 Irbis (Irbis-E for export) is an X-band radar with a 900mm passive phased array. Developed by the Tikhomirov NIIP institute the Irbis radar is a derivative of the N011M Bars radar with wider search zone, increased detection range, wider range of operating frequencies and improved resistance to jamming.
The N035's computing system consists of two Russian Solo-35 processors. A new two-stage mechanical drive mounts the phased array. The passive electronic array scans 60° in azimuth and elevation, while the mechanical steering enables the array to rotate an additional 60° for a wider search zone. The Irbis-E is capable of tracking of up to 30 aerial targets in track-while-scan mode and allows simultaneous engagement of two targets using semi-active radar homing missiles or up to eight targets using active radar homing missiles. The Irbis-E is advertised to be capable of detecting and tracking a fighter-sized target head-on at 350-400 km range using its long-range detection mode within a limited sector. It is also claimed to be capable of detecting 'super-low-observable' targets with 0.01 m2 RCS at 90 km range.
For ground attack, the radar is capable of terrain mapping and target acquisition in different resolutions using Doppler beam sharpening and synthetic aperture focusing modes. In combined ground and air mode, the radar is capable of tracking aerial threats with sufficient precision to engage with active radar homing missiles.
Future options for the Su-35 might include a rear-facing radar such as the N012 to be fitted in the tailboom, but the current Su-35 does not contain such equipment.

Thx mate! What do you think will Mki get the Su35 radar and engine through the next upg, or directly to AESA radar and Pak Fa engine?

 

[Contrarian]

Thx mate! What do you think will Mki get the Su35 radar and engine through the next upg, or directly to AESA radar and Pak Fa engine?

2 thoughts here:

One, either the upgrade is done to the Irbis-E radar(which is a PESA btw, not an AESA).

Or wait and then put in the AESA radar being developed for FGFA.

There is also a problem with putting in the Irbis E on the MKI. The power input required by the Irbis E is greater than what the MKI can provide. So the Irbis E will definitely be an upgrade to what we are currently using -ie BARS, but we would not be able to use to to its maximum potential.

 

[heartwinlion]

2 thoughts here:

One, either the upgrade is done to the Irbis-E radar(which is a PESA btw, not an AESA).

Or wait and then put in the AESA radar being developed for FGFA.

There is also a problem with putting in the Irbis E on the MKI. The power input required by the Irbis E is greater than what the MKI can provide. So the Irbis E will definitely be an upgrade to what we are currently using -ie BARS, but we would not be able to use to to its maximum potential.

I think you are right Mr. mishra one more think can u tell me if it is possible to use M-35 AESA radar to mki or we can go for el-2052 which we are using in lca.

 

[Contrarian]

I think you are right Mr. mishra one more think can u tell me if it is possible to use M-35 AESA radar to mki or we can go for el-2052 which we are using in lca.

I think we ought to wait for the AESA radar developed for the FGFA. This would push MLU to over 2015 though on the flip side.

 

[sancho]

2 thoughts here:

One, either the upgrade is done to the Irbis-E radar(which is a PESA btw, not an AESA).

Or wait and then put in the AESA radar being developed for FGFA.

There is also a problem with putting in the Irbis E on the MKI. The power input required by the Irbis E is greater than what the MKI can provide. So the Irbis E will definitely be an upgrade to what we are currently using -ie BARS, but we would not be able to use to to its maximum potential.

I know that Irbis E is a PESA radar, but I wasn't sure if it would be a realy improvement to the PESA the Mki already has. I guess we won't get AESA till the first Pak Fa will be ready for Russia, which will be between 2015 and 18, so it's still some years till that comes. Can we really wait that long?

 

[dee]

IAF's SU-30 MKI crashes, one pilot dead

JAISALMER: A sophisticated Indian Air Force Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter aircraft on Thursday crashed near here, killing one of the two pilots.


This is the first time that a Sukhoi-30 MKI, a frontline fighter plane, has crashed.

The incident occurred at around 1020 hours near Rajmathai village, about 70 kms from here, when the plane, the squadron of which is based in Pune, was on a routine exercise, Defence PRO Lt. Col N N Joshi said.

According to district officials, one of the two pilots, who were both holding the rank of wing commander, was killed.

The other pilot managed to eject safely from the aircraft, they said.

A court of inquiry has been ordered into the incident, IAF sources said.

 

[Moscow]

guys you dont need to wait for the ibris-e radar to be upgraded because the pakfa radar is going to be zhuk phazotron AESA which is already developed and is on trials on some of the 7 SU35BM models and also mig-35 prototypes.

pictures are already out the details i am providing below...... its already there on the pakfa thread though

 

[Moscow]

the new PAKFA radar - Xband AESA


The Russian corporation Fazotron-NIIR has concluded development of the newest "Zhuk-AEh" active phased array aircraft radar for MiG-35 fighters. According to the firm's general director, Vyacheslav Tishchenko, it is the first active phased array antenna assembled in Russia. Its appearance brings out fighter closer to the main competitor, the American F-35 fifth generation fighter. Now our MiG is able to compete with the F-35 not only in combat but also in the worldwide arms marketplace.

It is thought that Russia was lagging behind the United States in the area of the development of future new, fifth generation aviation complexes. The Americans already have the F-22 Raptor ((in English)) heavy fighter which has gone into series production. The F-35 is still at the testing stage. But it already is clear that it will be one of the most prospective combat aircraft of the world. The United States and its allies already have ordered more than 3,000 such fighters. We still have more to think about than to respond to the Americans. As the say at the Sukhoy design bureau, at the firm that won the state tender for the development of the future fighter, "everything is going according to plan." The already are assembling the first examples of the new aircraft at Komsomol'sk-on-Amur, and the future S-117 engine for it is being broken in on the newest Su-35.

The appearance of the regenerated MiG is an event of the very same magnitude. The renovated electronic "stuffing" distinguishes it from the usual MiG-29. All airplane systems are controlled by on-board computers. Instead of analogue needled instruments there are liquid crystal panels. The newest Peterburg Klimov Design Bureau RD-33MK engines with fully rotating nozzles. In which connection, not only in "normal" flight regime, but also in afterburner. These properties radically distinguish the MiG-35 from the Su-30MKI itself or the American F-22 and F-35.

However, in modern combat all this is not enough if the aircraft and the pilots are "blind." The "Zhuk-AEh" solves this very problem. Such radars were installed only on the most modern American fighters until its appearance, and Western Europe still is unable to create them. The installation of the complex will bring our MiG-35 fully up to the Western competitors, and at the same time will increase the chances for victory in the tender offered by India for the MMRCA program for the delivery to Delhi of 126 fighters. Let's try to analyze the details.

Parabolic or slot antennas were installed on our previous airplanes. They had one signal transmitter and receiver each. An active phased antenna array is built on the principle of a comb, which consists of 680 miniature receiving and transmitting systems. Such an antenna (again in contrast to the "predecessors") is monolithic, that is it does not turn from side to side in the search for targets. This economizes not only the systems' weight (it no longer needs electric motors), but also decreases the time for detection by the radar of targets by an order of magnitude, the scanning beam shifts from one antenna point to another in split seconds.

The new "Zhuk" has an angle of view of plus - minus 60 degrees. Viewing range is 140 kilometers. It can simultaneously track 30 and fire at 6 targets. Both in the air and on the ground. At the same time, the new antenna allows resolving a number of tasks. To transmit data about the tactical situation to other airplanes, perform electronic warfare and terrain mapping. Exactly the same as it is done on the American F-35.

According to the head of the Unified Aircraft Building Corporation, Aleksey Fedorov, all this allows talking about the MiG-35 as one of the most prospective Russian fighters which brings it close to the new generation of combat airplanes in its capabilities. In case of winning the tender, as Russian experts note, India will receive not only the fighter itself, but also the technology for producing the new radars with the active phased antenna array.

 

[sancho]

Got this from an article posted in another forum:

Challenging Radars
AESA increases pilot’s options
By Prasun K. Sengupta
FORCE May 09

A fierce competition is now underway for supplying up to 450 active phased-array radars (AESA) for the Indian Air Force’s (IAF) future combat aircraft acquisitions, with the principal contenders hailing from the US (Northrop Grumman and Raytheon), Europe (EADS Defence Electronics, THALES and SELEX Galileo), Scandinavia (Ericsson Microwave), Israel (Israel Aerospace Industries), and Russia (Phazotron JSC and Tikhomirov NIIP)...
...Competing against the US aerospace giants is France’s THALES Group, which is proposing its RBE-2 AESA, which has been under development since 2003, and will be available from next year. The RBE-2 along with the OSF infra-red search-and-track system is being proposed for installation on board 90 of the IAF’s 230 Su-30MKIs on order. Also being proposed are SELEX Galileo’s Vixen 5000e AESA, Israel Aerospace Industries’ EL/M-2052, and the Caesar from EADS.

What do you guys think about that? IF RBE-2 radar is possible for Mki, then Spectra should be possible too right?

 

[LCA]

I think its all depend on who win the MMRCA bid.

and also on the PAK-FA project, which type of radar they built for...

As far as 2052 is concern its depend upon its integration with LCA-MkII


And if IAF got all three , then they are in real dilemma.