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BAL ministers question BBS data quality. I hope they reform and allow independent audits of BBS.


Lies, damned lies and BBS data
Zahid Huq | Published: December 29, 2022 22:55:59 | Updated: December 30, 2022 21:11:34

None knows for sure about the origin of the quote, "There are three kinds of lies---lies, damned lies and statistics". But the quote is often used for doubting statistics.


One might feel tempted to use the quote in the case of data produced by the Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics (BBS), as questions are very often raised about their quality by researchers, economists and multilateral development partners.


The BBS, the national statistical organization (NSO), came under fire some days back by people none other than Planning Minister M.A. Mannan and State Minister for Planning Shamsul Alam.

Mr Mannan, speaking at a function organised to publish the Agricultural Census-2019 results in Dhaka on Tuesday last, maintained that the data on livestock presented by the BBS was not correct. Mr Alam raised questions about the efficiency level of the BBS as a statistical outfit. Incidentally, the BBS is one of the key organisations under the control of the Ministry of Planning.

The Planning Minister found the agricultural census data on livestock incomplete since those failed to include the number of cows and goats belonging to dairy firms.

The State Minister for Planning questioned the efficiency level of BBS as it had delayed the publication of the agricultural census results by three years.

The ministers' criticisms of the BBS, thus, lend credence to what the economists and others have been saying for years. The latter very often raise questions about the quality of BBS statistics, particularly about those concerning GDP growth and inflation.

Ironically, both ministers do often defend the BBS data when some others raise questions about their reliability.

However, there is nothing new in it, as their predecessors had also reacted similarly to criticism of BBS statistics.

But one can hardly ignore the fact the incumbent planning minister is a bit different from his predecessors and colleagues in the present cabinet. He is open and frank and does not hesitate to admit to the weaknesses of his ministry.

His frankness or otherwise, however, does not anyway help the BBS improve its service delivery.

The truth is that the BBS operates like any other government organisation where bureaucrats are in control of things. But it should not be so. The NSO needs to be a specialised and independent entity where statisticians should be in control of things.

No planning is perfect without authentic data. So, it is important to put in place the manpower and logistics to help gather data and compile those efficiently for use by the planners.

Using unadulterated data in planning is important. But some data could prove unpalatable to the people at the helm of state affairs. So, in a country like ours, official data are doctored to make those soothing and hide facts. It might serve the purpose of some people for some time, but in the long run it undermines the country's interest.

It would be befitting for the ministers concerned to restructure the BBS and ensure its independence in its data collection, compilation and publication. Some data might prove difficult to digest even by the people manning the administration. But, use of unadulterated data in plans and programmes would ultimately help the nation reach its cherished goals without hiccups.

Zahidmar10@gmail.com


"But but everyone accepts BBS data without questioning."
Idiots.
 
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BAL ministers question BBS data quality. I hope they reform and allow independent audits of BBS.


Lies, damned lies and BBS data
Zahid Huq | Published: December 29, 2022 22:55:59 | Updated: December 30, 2022 21:11:34

None knows for sure about the origin of the quote, "There are three kinds of lies---lies, damned lies and statistics". But the quote is often used for doubting statistics.


One might feel tempted to use the quote in the case of data produced by the Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics (BBS), as questions are very often raised about their quality by researchers, economists and multilateral development partners.


The BBS, the national statistical organization (NSO), came under fire some days back by people none other than Planning Minister M.A. Mannan and State Minister for Planning Shamsul Alam.

Mr Mannan, speaking at a function organised to publish the Agricultural Census-2019 results in Dhaka on Tuesday last, maintained that the data on livestock presented by the BBS was not correct. Mr Alam raised questions about the efficiency level of the BBS as a statistical outfit. Incidentally, the BBS is one of the key organisations under the control of the Ministry of Planning.

The Planning Minister found the agricultural census data on livestock incomplete since those failed to include the number of cows and goats belonging to dairy firms.

The State Minister for Planning questioned the efficiency level of BBS as it had delayed the publication of the agricultural census results by three years.

The ministers' criticisms of the BBS, thus, lend credence to what the economists and others have been saying for years. The latter very often raise questions about the quality of BBS statistics, particularly about those concerning GDP growth and inflation.

Ironically, both ministers do often defend the BBS data when some others raise questions about their reliability.

However, there is nothing new in it, as their predecessors had also reacted similarly to criticism of BBS statistics.

But one can hardly ignore the fact the incumbent planning minister is a bit different from his predecessors and colleagues in the present cabinet. He is open and frank and does not hesitate to admit to the weaknesses of his ministry.

His frankness or otherwise, however, does not anyway help the BBS improve its service delivery.

The truth is that the BBS operates like any other government organisation where bureaucrats are in control of things. But it should not be so. The NSO needs to be a specialised and independent entity where statisticians should be in control of things.

No planning is perfect without authentic data. So, it is important to put in place the manpower and logistics to help gather data and compile those efficiently for use by the planners.

Using unadulterated data in planning is important. But some data could prove unpalatable to the people at the helm of state affairs. So, in a country like ours, official data are doctored to make those soothing and hide facts. It might serve the purpose of some people for some time, but in the long run it undermines the country's interest.

It would be befitting for the ministers concerned to restructure the BBS and ensure its independence in its data collection, compilation and publication. Some data might prove difficult to digest even by the people manning the administration. But, use of unadulterated data in plans and programmes would ultimately help the nation reach its cherished goals without hiccups.

Zahidmar10@gmail.com


"But but everyone accepts BBS data without questioning."
Idiots.

They can hire independent auditors from KPMG, Ernst and Young, Deloitte etc. to double check BBS claims.

But who will pay for these independent auditors?

And Indian auditors are not welcome in Bangladesh. Last time they closed down Indian audit offices under threat of violence because these bhakt Indians were being a$$hole bosses. Good riddance.

We should get accounting auditors from friendly Muslim countries like from Indonesia. Pakistan or Malaysia.
 
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Al-Jazeera's report on poverty in Bangladesh claims 20% live below the poverty line. This is 8% more than the stats from the Bangladeshi government I read years ago:

 
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To Bangladeshi members- before you get into discussion with this individual, read this thread-


It is clear as daylight what he thinks about Bangladesh. His ego got hurt when another Pakistani poster just simply compared how Bangladesh has moved ahead of Pakistan in economic terms. That lit a fire on this poster's hind part and Bangladesh has been living on his head rent free since then. Just look at the collection of pictures and posts he racked up.

Another important thing - a brief background on this individual's grasp of economics - he thinks Bangladesh's total GDP is bigger than New Zealand, therefore Bangladesh should be having a better quality of life. I am not kidding, read that thread if you don't believe it.


The individual doesn't realize that this thread was started by another Bangladeshi and we Bangladeshis do question and scrutinize the government reports.

Nobody has claimed Bangladesh is a developed country or in the path of becoming one anytime soon. But even if we take the most conservative of estimates, Bangladesh economy will come off better compared to Pakistan at this moment.

In any case, any self respecting Bangladeshi will know what this guy is all about. Especially when he called Bangladesh a Sh*thole.
 
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To Bangladeshi members- before you get into discussion with this individual, read this thread-


It is clear as daylight what he thinks about Bangladesh. His ego got hurt when another Pakistani poster just simply compared how Bangladesh has moved ahead of Pakistan in economic terms. That lit a fire on this poster's hind part and Bangladesh has been living on his head rent free since then. Just look at the collection of pictures and posts he racked up.

Another important thing - a brief background on this individual's grasp of economics - he thinks Bangladesh's total GDP is bigger than New Zealand, therefore Bangladesh should be having a better quality of life. I am not kidding, read that thread if you don't believe it.


The individual doesn't realize that this thread was started by another Bangladeshi and we Bangladeshis do question and scrutinize the government reports.

Nobody has claimed Bangladesh is a developed country or in the path of becoming one anytime soon. But even if we take the most conservative of estimates, Bangladesh economy will come off better compared to Pakistan at this moment.

In any case, any self respecting Bangladeshi will know what this guy is all about. Especially when he called Bangladesh a Sh*thole.
Ignore him and his posts, wherever he posts them. The US is termed a lot of things like "shithole" for a host of reasons such as medical bankruptcies, gun violence, etc. - you do not see Americans on online forums jumping up and down with vigour to defend it because a strong nation acknowledges its shortcomings and discusses ways to improve.

The purpose of this thread is to highlight a serious issue with the Bangladeshi national stats agency so that it can be fixed - it is irrelevant to this thread as to what random foreigners think of Bangladesh.
 
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It is clear as daylight what he thinks about Bangladesh. His ego got hurt when another Pakistani poster just simply compared how Bangladesh has moved ahead of Pakistan in economic terms. That lit a fire on this poster's hind part and Bangladesh has been living on his head rent free since then. Just look at the collection of pictures and posts he racked up.

Nope that wasn't it at all. The argument started when he denied population is ruining Pakistan dismissing it as an "excuse for bad governance", and even brought up Bangladesh as an example even when some of the world's poorest actually live in Bangladesh.

Going along the way, other posters whom at first glance seem to agree with him are actually indirectly advocating my argument, that population is all the more that makes the difference.

So that's what it's all about. But if you want to distort or do anything that keeps your false ego alive, then, whatever....

If you want to play on the emotions of Bangladehi posters to distort them from reality, good for you....

And as another poster pointed out, just because the Bangladeshi government has gotten wealthier, it doesn't translate to higher living standards as a country.
 
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It is clear as daylight what he thinks about Bangladesh. His ego got hurt when another Pakistani poster just simply compared how Bangladesh has moved ahead of Pakistan in economic terms. That lit a fire on this poster's hind part and Bangladesh has been living on his head rent free since then. Just look at the collection of pictures and posts he racked up.

LOL did you write Bangladesh lives in my head rent-free? You're the one who came bringing Bangladesh into that thread when it had nothing to do with Bangladesh. You're the one here on Pakistan Defense Forums.

Even your dance partner PakFactor stated he doesn't care about the large number of Bangladeshis living below the poverty line because his definition of development is different from the universal definition.

You have one of the world's largest populations living below the poverty line according to the World Bank itself, despite the phony stats published by your government. If you had any "self-respect" you wouldn't be on our forums nor would you deny the fact that over three million of your people live in our country illegally. Your students study in our country. Your country imports machinery, medics, weapons from Pakistan.

You also don't realize the Pakistanis who advocate your governments bogus stats are mostly self-loathing upper class Muhajir & Sindhi leftists, not the general Pakistani population- even when your own countrymen question these nonsensical stats.

My posts must have broken your ego so badly after giving you a reality check. Take your "self-respect" and shove it up your behind. We really don't need you here. We never invited you here on PDF. You came here by your own free will because you apparently have "self-respect." lol
 
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LOL did you write Bangladesh lives in my head rent-free? You're the one who came bringing Bangladesh into that thread when it had nothing to do with Bangladesh. You're the one here on Pakistan Defense Forums.

Even your dance partner PakFactor stated he doesn't care about the large number of Bangladeshis living below the poverty line because his definition of development is different from the universal definition.

You have one of the world's largest populations according to the World Bank itself, despite the phony stats published by your government. If you had any "self-respect" you wouldn't be on our forums nor would you deny the fact that over three million of your people live in our country illegally. Your students study in our country. Your country imports machinery, medics, weapons from Pakistan.

You also don't realize the Pakistanis who advocate your governments bogus stats are mostly self-loathing upper class Muhajir & Sindhi leftists, not the general Pakistani population- even when your own countrymen question these nonsensical stats.

My posts must have broken your ego so badly after giving . Take your "self-respect" and shove it up your behind. We really don't need you here. We never invited you here on PDF. You came here by your own free will because you apparently have "self-respect."

Lol. Thanks for proving my point.

Rent free.
 
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