Quaid-e-Azam Solar Park , Clean Energy for cleaner Eco System

[mr.robot]

All I know is solar energy is not calculated due to hotness of weather rather then direct access to the light Its the reason why its used in most Space missions involving small rovers on cold planet surfaces like mars etc. Or the fact that its used in space crafts , traveling to outer corners of solar system

Solar panels work from moment Sun Rises to Sun Set , they continue to collect small amount of energy from the light coming from starts and moon.

With vast amount of land in Balouchistan available, Pakistan could use 0.01% of the land and create 5-6 Such large scale projects , to yeild enough power needed compared for Pakistan National Grid.

The only people who oppose it are

a) People who sell gas addicted to purchasing and commissions
b) People who sell petrol
c) People who have stake to buy petrol from Saudis and then take commission

• Baluchistan is GOLD for energy , clean energy in Pakistan

Only time the output goes down is during rain season or cloudy weather

However unlike HYDROCARBON , you don't get cancerous air pollution and also you do not contribute to green house gas emission.

In US people have invested in solar pannels , and they have produced enough energy as guaranteed by Pannels , to take them off the grid.

Sure there may be 5%-8% variance but they are not paying Electricity bill or 80% of their needs are met from Solar with one time expense

Pakistan blessed with so much SUNSHINE ... its a no brainer


I think the Qauid-e-Azam Solar pannel is the brightes project going and PML has to get credit for it

However it would have been even greater had they choosen Balouchistan for its SUNSHINE

Its a great project

Only need 0.01 % of Balouchistan Land , and 4-5 Billion 1 time investment for a Mega Solar project

No need to beg Saudis
No need to beg Qataris for gas
No need to send any troops for Middle east
No need to listen to any threats

Your own land , your own money , your own power

There are fairy tales. If Solar was this much easy USA would have gone off the hydrocarbon much time earlier as they have the research,resources, weather, and land. Still the biggest issues are up front investment, the longevity and efficiency of whole system, and batteries to store energy after sunset. The best resource for us is Water.

I wish people can understand this difference as you mentioned in your post solar energy doesn't mean you need high temperature its more dependent on light.

The guy above has talked in terms of solar irradiance not in terms of heat. Do look up for that and it doesn't stay same for the whole day rest alone the whole year.

 

[danger007]

No maximum capacity is 1,000 MW , which will be completed by 2016 / middle or end where its slated to be the largest project in world.

Lakh times better then buying gas from Qatar providing comission to mafia

Its like a Mango tree , (Example becasue Pakistanis only understand Mangoes)

If you grow your own Mongo tree, and that mangoe tree imagine it growns big in 2 days ,
and you get 1,000 Mangoes from it.

Will you eat 1 mangoe daily and be happy for free fruit or will you go to Qatar to buy a
Mangoe in can and bring it back on ship and then eat it paying Qatar 400 RS



100 MW is produced investment = 131,000,000 dollars
1 MW is produced by investment = 1,310,000 dollars (or 1.3 Million dollars)


Lets imagine we invest 5 Billion 1 TIME that lovely IMF loan

So if 1,310,000 Dollars make you 1 MW
1 dollar will make you 1 mw/ 1,310,000 dollars = 7.6 X 10 POWER -5


5,000,000,000 USD will give us 3,816 MW, power capacity of Terbella one time 5 billion



Installed capacity of Terbella Dam 3478 MW, in 1968 with USD 1,497,000,000 (1.4 Billion)

Inflation price in 2015 what that money means for terbella dam in 2015
$9,520,490,739 ($9.5 Billion dollars)

CPI Calculator to Calculate Future or Historical Inflation

so 1MW cost 1.3m $/7.8cr... is that included land cost... and are you guys using trackers???

 

[Faiez]

The guy above has talked in terms of solar irradiance not in terms of heat. Do look up for that and it doesn't stay same for the whole day rest alone the whole year.

temperature and solar irradiance are related....

the higher the irradiance, the higher the temperatures that day, keeping everything else constant. So on a hotter day on average you are probably going to be making more electricity.

irradiance depends on the solar angle which obviously changes depending on where the earth is on the orbit and your location on the surface of the earth.

Also, in the calculation I made, I ignored inverter inefficiencies. Also, ignored weather. Also, ignored running/cleaning costs (workers). So the figure posted earlier by someone of rs.30/unit can be for real.

@AZADPAKISTAN2009 : Sir, the panels on satellites are very very high efficiency modules, upto 40% efficient compared to commercial ones which have ~15-20% efficiency. Also, they cost a fortune. Also, the entire power is used as it is, it doesn't need to be converted from DC to AC. And all the equipment on board is extremely energy efficient. Also, no clouds in space. Also, do take a look at solar irradiance figures for mars etc. The greater your distance from the sun, the lower the irradiance. Mars has much lower solar irradiance than Earth. Even on earth, the irradiance level changes, even after keeping everything else constant due to the earth orbit not being circular. But the difference in the nearest and furthest point from the sun is very small so it's not noticeable.

 

[mr.robot]

temperature and solar irradiance are related....

the higher the irradiance, the higher the temperatures that day, keeping everything else constant. So on a hotter day on average you are probably going to be making more electricity.

irradiance depends on the solar angle which obviously changes depending on where the earth is on the orbit and your location on the surface of the earth.

Also, in the calculation I made, I ignored inverter inefficiencies. Also, ignored weather. Also, ignored running/cleaning costs (workers). So the figure posted earlier by someone of rs.30/unit can be for real.

@AZADPAKISTAN2009 : Sir, the panels on satellites are very very high efficiency modules, upto 40% efficient compared to commercial ones which have ~15-20% efficiency. Also, they cost a fortune. Also, the entire power is used as it is, it doesn't need to be converted from DC to AC. And all the equipment on board is extremely energy efficient. Also, no clouds in space. Also, do take a look at solar irradiance figures for mars etc. The greater your distance from the sun, the lower the irradiance. Mars has much lower solar irradiance than Earth. Even on earth, the irradiance level changes, even after keeping everything else constant due to the earth orbit not being circular. But the difference in the nearest and furthest point from the sun is very small so it's not noticeable.

I was agreeing to you argument just by not mentioning heat. If he bothered to look about solar irradiance, he would find that it depends upon latitude, angle, season, and pollution/clouds. When you counter in seasons, hot seasons will generate more irradiance. So, yes irradiance and heat are related.

 

[Faiez]

I was agreeing to you argument just by not mentioning heat. If he bothered to look about solar irradiance, he would find that it depends upon latitude, angle, season, and pollution/clouds. When you counter in seasons, hot seasons will generate more irradiance. So, yes irradiance and heat are related.

but you see the thing about PV panels is that their efficiency falls under higher temperatures.....So that's another thing.

It's pretty complicated........but in the end, what matters is that this plant is not 100MW, it's just 100MW worth of PV. And when the entire thing is completed (they say it'll be 1,000MW), then it will be maybe ~150MW or so.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

lol ... 1,000 MW = 150MW ... man what are you saying


When people install x amount of pannels at home , they go thru warranty , how much electricity would be produced and most of time what the pannels promise is what amount of energy is generated


Sure , may be 15-20 years , when people installed solar pannels the efficiency was low but the modern pannels are quite reliable

Calculartor for loses in system (4%)
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4% of 1000 would be 960 MW, which can be changed to over 1,000 by expanding the plant



> Solar plants produce 0% smog
> Solar pants produce 0% damage to environment
> Solar plants give you clean energy with out guilt
> Solar plants do not damage the ozone and keep carbon emissions low


And in 2-3 Months you can expand it to 100-150 MW as shown by Chinese Engineers and Pakistani workers



As stated eariler , if we setup plants in barren lands of Baluchistan which get 99-100% sunny days , we can generate power to move to energy grid shared by all provinces


Instead of getting useless gas from Qatar

 

[Faiez]

lol ... 1,000 MW = 150MW ... man what are you saying


When people install x amount of pannels at home , they go thru warranty , how much electricity would be produced and most of time what the pannels promise is what amount of energy is generated


Sure , may be 15-20 years , when people installed solar pannels the efficiency was low but the modern pannels are quite reliable

Calculartor for loses in system (4%)
PVWatts Calculator

4% of 1000 would be 960 MW, which can be changed to over 1,000 by expanding the plant



> Solar plants produce 0% smog
> Solar pants produce 0% damage to environment
> Solar plants give you clean energy with out guilt
> Solar plants do not damage the ozone and keep carbon emissions low


And in 2-3 Months you can expand it to 100-150 MW as shown by Chinese Engineers and Pakistani workers



As stated eariler , if we setup plants in barren lands of Baluchistan which get 99-100% sunny days , we can generate power to move to energy grid shared by all provinces


Instead of getting useless gas from Qatar

Buddy, power is a rate of flow of energy. When you say 100MW, it means something that produces 2400 MW-hrs of electricity per day. In the case of solar panels, governments and companies etc use the solar panel rating. A solar panel rated to produce 100MW in test conditions will in reality produce only about 300-400MW-hrs per day at max. This is because during night, there is not sun and at day time, the ideal test conditions where you have enough sunlight to produce decent power are very few, maybe 2-3 at most. The rest of the day, it will not be producing the rated power. Although I'm sure with a big setup (with many many small controllable units) you would have a clever switching system to keep the volts up to produce tiny amounts even during low irradiance times (so using every little bit of sunlight it can). But even then, this system can't be more than 20MW max (for a 100MW plant) !