Quaid e Azam 11 august speech

[SecularNationalist]

Is this a real famous destroyed and lost speech of MA Jinnah which he made on 11 august 1947?Well the voice and talking style looks same to me.Your thoughts in the comments section please.

 

[Safriz]

Rubbish..

Qui
Quaid did not have such clear Urdu accent. This is a desperate attempt by seculars to malign two nation theory.
In Quaid era religious sentiments were extremely strong and such statement from Quiad would Ave been political suicide for him.

 

[Goenitz]

this is Quaid's city now... really sad

the "Quaid" pronounced 'ع' too good

 

[ghauri05]

Well these liberals are not different from our Mullahs, who interpret Quran's verses in their favor.

1. Quaid e Azam, is talking about rights of minority....that they should be given complete freedom in their prayers,ritual and all other activities...Now show me 1 verse of Quran n Hadith..which negates this right to minorities???Islam rather protects the rights of minorities

2.In addition to this particular speech,there are tons of speeches in MA Jinnah mentioned he wants Pak to be an Islamic republic...but these liberals will become blind and deaf..when those speeches are referred

 

[SecularNationalist]

Rubbish..

Qui
Quaid did not have such clear Urdu accent. This is a desperate attempt by seculars to malign two nation theory.
In Quaid era religious sentiments were extremely strong and such statement from Quiad would Ave been political suicide for him.

Quaids era was more tolerant than today and his lifestyle wan not islamic at all.In that era everyone knew he married with a parsi and even that did not killed his political career.You are one of those who hijacked pakistan and destroyed every speech of quaid which indirectly or directly shows he wanted a secular pakistan.

Well these liberals are not different from our Mullahs, who interpret Quran's verses in their favor.

1. Quaid e Azam, is talking about rights of minority....that they should be given complete freedom in their prayers,ritual and all other activities...Now show me 1 verse of Quran n Hadith..which negates this right to minorities???Islam rather protects the rights of minorities

2.In addition to this particular speech,there are tons of speeches in MA Jinnah mentioned he wants Pak to be an Islamic republic...but these liberals will become blind and deaf..when those speeches are referred

Oh my god there is no sense arguing with jahils who think secularism means atheism.If quaid was advocating the rights of minorities and wanted a secular pakistan does not mean he was against values of quran.
Secularism and islam is perfectly compatible with each other.Secularism do not forbid you to to your mosque it just separates religion from the state.
When quaid said state has nothing to do with your religion then tell me from where that religion came into our constitution? Who gave you the right to make hudood laws ,blasphemy laws which are misused and giving bad name to islam,forbid drinking and force islam in the matters of marriage,inheritance etc?These amendments were made by bhutto and zia quaids pakistan was very different.
Educate yourself and bug off.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Quaids era was more tolerant than today and his lifestyle wan not islamic at all.In that era everyone knew he married with a parsi and even that did not killed his political career.You are one of those who hijacked pakistan and destroyed every speech of quaid which indirectly or directly shows he wanted a secular pakistan.

Oh my god there is no sense arguing with jahils who think secularism means atheism.If quaid was advocating the rights of minorities and wanted a secular pakistan does not mean he was against values of quran.
Secularism and islam is perfectly compatible with each other.Secularism do not forbid you to to your mosque it just separates religion from the state.
When quaid said state has nothing to do with your religion then tell me from where that religion came into our constitution? Who gave you the right to make hudood laws ,blasphemy laws which are misused and giving bad name to islam,forbid drinking and force islam in the matters of marriage,inheritance etc?These amendments were made by bhutto and zia quaids pakistan was very different.
Educate yourself and bug off.

You are not free, you are not free to go to your temples, you are not free to go to your mosques or any other place of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or cast or creed — that has everything to do with the business of the State ...
is this what you wanted him to say to prove that he wasnt Secular?

"The Muslims of India want their national sovereign State, where we can live according to our ideals and according to what Islam has taught us."

~ Speech at a public meeting held under the auspices of the All-Bengal Muslim Students League at Calcutta, 27 February 1946.

“...You must educate yourselves and educate your children...you must bring up your children, who are the future leaders of Muslim India, as intelligent, educated Muslim boys imbued with a love for Islam and service to their fellow countrymen."

~ Speech delivered in Urdu to Muslim women at the Muslim Institute Hall, Calcutta, 25 February 1946.

“In the Pakistan zone, we will be able to safeguard the heritage of Islam and all the glory of our culture and civilization without any interference from others...The Muslims and the Hindus of India are two major nations of India and we are entirely different from each other.
The Muslims in India have their own codes of civilization, morality, society and of all branches of life, which go to make a nation distinct from the other. We have our own laws, culture, music, and religion. If India remains undivided, it will mean a Hindu majority of three to one. The Hindu majority will be able, after some time, to wipe out Muslim culture and Islamic civilization, which has been preserved by the Indian Muslims with greatest care through the ages."

~ Radio Broadcast from the Egyptian State Broadcasting Service, Cairo, 16-20 December, 1946.

“Hindu India and Muslim India must be separated because the two nations are entirely distinct and different and, in some matters, antagonistic to each other. Let me tell you some of the differences: we differ in our history, culture, language, architecture, music, laws, jurisprudence, calendar and our entire social fabric and code of life. One India is an impossible realization. It will inevitably mean that the Muslims would be transferred from the domination of the British to the caste Hindu rule, a position that Muslims will never accept. As an all India minority, we shall be under the rule of the permanent Hindu majority of about three to one, which will virtually mean one nation ruling another by means of ballot box...Our scheme of division of India gives Hindus three-fourths of the country and the Muslims secure a dominant voice in the remaining one quarter of India, thereby giving the two nations scope and opportunity to develop in accordance with their own culture and ideology..."

~Radio Address for the American audience of the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC), London, 13 December 1946.

“The achievement of Pakistan to us means our very existence, failure means our extinction and all that Islam stands for in this subcontinent"

~Message to the Muslims of India on the occasion of Pakistan Day, Lahore, 22 March 1946.

“We [Muslims] have our own laws, our own culture and language, we have our own calendar, names, social life, architecture and music; in short, the entire social and economic structure of our society is different from that of the Hindus. We find that the Hindus have their own structure of society, which is different from ours. It is not only different, but, in some cases, it is antagonistic...the Hindu believes in idolatry; we do not. We believe in equality, liberty and fraternity, while they are caste-ridden and caste bound."

~ Address to Muslim women, Shillong (Assam), 4 March 1946.
“I cannot understand the logic of those who have been deliberately and mischievously propagating that the Constitution of Pakistan will not be based on Islamic Sharia. Islamic principles today are as much applicable to life as they were 1,300 years ago.”

-M. A. Jinnah's speech to Karachi Bar Association, 1948.

Pakistan’s foundation is based on Islamic ideology. There should be a slap on everyone’s face those quoting August 11 speech and misleading others. Jinnah’s speech was in context to support minorities and giving them equal rights of citizenship that is a hallmark of an Islamic state precedented by the Holy Prophet at the time of Fateh Makkah
@Khafee

 

[Safriz]

Quaids era was more tolerant than today and his lifestyle wan not islamic at all.In that era everyone knew he married with a parsi and even that did not killed his political career.You are one of those who hijacked pakistan and destroyed every speech of quaid which indirectly or directly shows he wanted a secular pakistan.

Oh my god there is no sense arguing with jahils who think secularism means atheism.If quaid was advocating the rights of minorities and wanted a secular pakistan does not mean he was against values of quran.
Secularism and islam is perfectly compatible with each other.Secularism do not forbid you to to your mosque it just separates religion from the state.
When quaid said state has nothing to do with your religion then tell me from where that religion came into our constitution? Who gave you the right to make hudood laws ,blasphemy laws which are misused and giving bad name to islam,forbid drinking and force islam in the matters of marriage,inheritance etc?These amendments were made by bhutto and zia quaids pakistan was very different.
Educate yourself and bug off.

No , Quaid never wanted a secular Pakistan. Nehru wanted a secular United India. The division of British India on the basis of religion was Quaid's Idea and was called two nation theory as it was Quaid who classed Muslims and Hindus of India as two separate nations.
Until 1929 Quaid was on the same page as Gandhi and Nehru and he was also part of Congress but when he saw that despite touting secular Ideology the Majority Hindu population will treat Muslims and other minorities badly and wont give them their rights and oppress them on religious grounds, he joined Muslim league and started campaign for a Muslim Pakistan carved out of Hindu India.
Quiad was damn right. How many Hindu Muslim riots India has seen and still seeing. Here in UK thousands iof refugees from Indian Gujrat are settled who had to leave after Hindu violence against them.Sikh are prepossess in India and their discrimination also goes into ethnic roots. Bengali ethnicity is very oppressed in India.
So don feed me fake rubbish from Internet, i studied "Mulatia Pakistan" in school unlike you A-level GCSE kids,and i know what i am on about.
This video is fake as fuk.

 

[SecularNationalist]

i studied "Mulatia Pakistan" in school unlike you A-level GCSE kids,and i know what i am on about.

Sure you studied that book full of lies and distorted history that,s why you are talking all this non sense.
No doubt quaid fought for the rights of muslims but he wanted religion separate from the state.

You are not free, you are not free to go to your temples, you are not free to go to your mosques or any other place of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or cast or creed — that has everything to do with the business of the State ...
is this what you wanted him to say to prove that he wasnt Secular?

"The Muslims of India want their national sovereign State, where we can live according to our ideals and according to what Islam has taught us."

~ Speech at a public meeting held under the auspices of the All-Bengal Muslim Students League at Calcutta, 27 February 1946.

“...You must educate yourselves and educate your children...you must bring up your children, who are the future leaders of Muslim India, as intelligent, educated Muslim boys imbued with a love for Islam and service to their fellow countrymen."

~ Speech delivered in Urdu to Muslim women at the Muslim Institute Hall, Calcutta, 25 February 1946.

“In the Pakistan zone, we will be able to safeguard the heritage of Islam and all the glory of our culture and civilization without any interference from others...The Muslims and the Hindus of India are two major nations of India and we are entirely different from each other.
The Muslims in India have their own codes of civilization, morality, society and of all branches of life, which go to make a nation distinct from the other. We have our own laws, culture, music, and religion. If India remains undivided, it will mean a Hindu majority of three to one. The Hindu majority will be able, after some time, to wipe out Muslim culture and Islamic civilization, which has been preserved by the Indian Muslims with greatest care through the ages."

~ Radio Broadcast from the Egyptian State Broadcasting Service, Cairo, 16-20 December, 1946.

“Hindu India and Muslim India must be separated because the two nations are entirely distinct and different and, in some matters, antagonistic to each other. Let me tell you some of the differences: we differ in our history, culture, language, architecture, music, laws, jurisprudence, calendar and our entire social fabric and code of life. One India is an impossible realization. It will inevitably mean that the Muslims would be transferred from the domination of the British to the caste Hindu rule, a position that Muslims will never accept. As an all India minority, we shall be under the rule of the permanent Hindu majority of about three to one, which will virtually mean one nation ruling another by means of ballot box...Our scheme of division of India gives Hindus three-fourths of the country and the Muslims secure a dominant voice in the remaining one quarter of India, thereby giving the two nations scope and opportunity to develop in accordance with their own culture and ideology..."

~Radio Address for the American audience of the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC), London, 13 December 1946.

“The achievement of Pakistan to us means our very existence, failure means our extinction and all that Islam stands for in this subcontinent"

~Message to the Muslims of India on the occasion of Pakistan Day, Lahore, 22 March 1946.

“We [Muslims] have our own laws, our own culture and language, we have our own calendar, names, social life, architecture and music; in short, the entire social and economic structure of our society is different from that of the Hindus. We find that the Hindus have their own structure of society, which is different from ours. It is not only different, but, in some cases, it is antagonistic...the Hindu believes in idolatry; we do not. We believe in equality, liberty and fraternity, while they are caste-ridden and caste bound."

~ Address to Muslim women, Shillong (Assam), 4 March 1946.
“I cannot understand the logic of those who have been deliberately and mischievously propagating that the Constitution of Pakistan will not be based on Islamic Sharia. Islamic principles today are as much applicable to life as they were 1,300 years ago.”

-M. A. Jinnah's speech to Karachi Bar Association, 1948.

Pakistan’s foundation is based on Islamic ideology. There should be a slap on everyone’s face those quoting August 11 speech and misleading others. Jinnah’s speech was in context to support minorities and giving them equal rights of citizenship that is a hallmark of an Islamic state precedented by the Holy Prophet at the time of Fateh Makkah
@Khafee

1 : “….Religion should not be allowed to come into Politics….Religion is merely a matter between man and God”. [Jinnah, Address to the Central Legislative Assembly, 7 February 1935]

2 : “….in the name of Humanity, I care more for them [the Untouchables] than for Mussalmans. ” [Jinnah, Speaking about the Shudras or Untouchables, during his address at the All India Muslim League session at Delhi, 1934 ]

3 : “….I am NOT fighting for Muslims, believe me, when I demand Pakistan.” [Jinnah, Press Conference, 14 November 1946]

4 : “…. You are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any otherplace of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed.That has nothing to do with the business of the State.” [Jinnah, Presidential address to the first Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, Karachi, 11 August 1947]

5 : “….no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and Equal citizens of One State.” [ Jinnah, Presidential Address to the first Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, 11 August 1947]

6 : “…. Now, I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal, and you will find that in due course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense because that is the personal faith of the individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State “. [Jinnah, Presidential Address to the first Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, 11 August 1947]

7 : ” But make no mistake : Pakistan is NOT a theocracy or anything like it.” [ Jinnah, Message to the people of Australia, 19 February 1948 ]

Whenever Jinnah uses the terms “Islam” and “Islamic” with reference to Pakistan, they are by no means in the sense of a Shariah State. Instead of focusing on the apparent tenor, which more often than not remains subject to diverse interpretations, debate and dispute, Jinnah very wisely remains focused on the SPIRIT of Islamic teachings, which in essence is also the spirit of every single known revealed religion. Thus he succeeds in upholding the secular cause without sacrificing the elements of morality and universal appeal. This spirit, according to him comprises of three elements – Equality, Justice and Fairplay. Any state capable of providing these three to ALL its citizens, would be, for all practical purposes “Islamic” in nature. The following two references are worthy of consideration :


8 : ” The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly…..Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught Equality of men, Justice and Fairplay to ‘EVERYBODY’…..In any case Pakistan is NOT going to be a theocratic State – to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims – Hindus, Christians and Parsis – but they are ALL Pakistanis. They will enjoy the SAME rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.” [ Jinnah, February 1948.Talk on Pakistan broadcast to the people of USA]

9 : ” Why this feeling of nervousness that the future constitution of Pakistan is going to be in conflict with Shariat Laws ?……Islamic principles today are are as much applicable as they were 1300 years ago……Islam and its idealism have taught Equality, Justice and Fairplay to EVERYBODY.” [ Jinnah, 25 January 1948. Address to Bar Association Karachi ]

 

[Reichsmarschall]

1 : “….Religion should not be allowed to come into Politics….Religion is merely a matter between man and God

then there is no point in making Pakistan at all why he divided secular India to carve up a country for Muslims?
there are alot of contradictions in your post

 

[SecularNationalist]

then there is no point in making Pakistan at all why he divided secular India to carve up a country for Muslims?
there are alot of contradictions in your post

How low life and disrespecting one have to be to try to imitate the voice of his father of the nation and distort the facts.In retaliation you can only come up with the videos made by fan boys.

then there is no point in making Pakistan at all why he divided secular India to carve up a country for Muslims?
there are alot of contradictions in your post

Because india was not a secular at that time and not even secular today.Secularism in india is a joke.Quaid realized the hindu hypocrisy of nehru and his struggle for independent and united india turned into separate homeland for Muslims. Fighting for the rights of Muslims of the subcontinent is one thing and bringing religion into the constitution is another thing.He wanted a separate homeland for muslims but never wanted a state imposing islam on everyone.Pakistan was supposed to be a homeland for muslims but any muslim was free to follow his religion according to his wish or not follow any religion at all,state had nothing to do with it. He never indulged in any politics against minorities.

 

[ghauri05]

Quaids era was more tolerant than today and his lifestyle wan not islamic at all.In that era everyone knew he married with a parsi and even that did not killed his political career.You are one of those who hijacked pakistan and destroyed every speech of quaid which indirectly or directly shows he wanted a secular pakistan.

Oh my god there is no sense arguing with jahils who think secularism means atheism.If quaid was advocating the rights of minorities and wanted a secular pakistan does not mean he was against values of quran.
Secularism and islam is perfectly compatible with each other.Secularism do not forbid you to to your mosque it just separates religion from the state.
When quaid said state has nothing to do with your religion then tell me from where that religion came into our constitution? Who gave you the right to make hudood laws ,blasphemy laws which are misused and giving bad name to islam,forbid drinking and force islam in the matters of marriage,inheritance etc?These amendments were made by bhutto and zia quaids pakistan was very different.
Educate yourself and bug off.

There are numerous quotes of Quaid in which he wishes Pak to be a Islamic republic...but you liberals will never read one of those.
And tell me when did Islam stops other people to practice their religion.???when did islam said minorities shouldn't be allowed to go in their chuches and mandir???

1 more thing there is not a single situation where you can separate religion from state..every law passed by govt has effect on atleast 1 of the religious community
Have you ever read islam?? all those laws and punishments are practiced in islam,,,..they are here to minimize and eventually stop fornication and rape...otherwise tell me why the so called western system has miserably failed to stop rape????do u have a solution to stop rape???
yes about misusing those laws..the investigative system must be made stronger and more efficient..that's 1 thing i agree with you

The so called parhe likhe Jahils like u only want to have western system where you can enjoy your debaucheries and there is no one to ask u about them...You are simply western boot lickers..You need to educate youself about islam, its laws and why those laws are necessary for a society to have order.

 

[SecularNationalist]

There are numerous quotes of Quaid in which he wishes Pak to be a Islamic republic...but you liberals will never read one of those.
And tell me when did Islam stops other people to practice their religion.???when did islam said minorities shouldn't be allowed to go in their chuches and mandir???

1 more thing there is not a single situation where you can separate religion from state..every law passed by govt has effect on atleast 1 of the religious community
Have you ever read islam?? all those laws and punishments are practiced in islam,,,..they are here to minimize and eventually stop fornication and rape...otherwise tell me why the so called western system has miserably failed to stop rape????do u have a solution to stop rape???
yes about misusing those laws..the investigative system must be made stronger and more efficient..that's 1 thing i agree with you

The so called parhe likhe Jahils like u only want to have western system where you can enjoy your debaucheries and there is no one to ask u about them...You are simply western boot lickers..You need to educate youself about islam, its laws and why those laws are necessary for a society to have order.

Islam allow this Islam allow that bla bla typical molvi mindset.Nothing Islamic is happening here when it comes to dealing with Minorties.
When you base your constitution on one religion it will get stronger at the expense of other's. It will get stronger and abusive and will be used to fulfill personal agenda's. That's what happening in our land of pure currently. There is no independent body which is able to decide rationally for all sects and religion's. There is no vision of nationalism and country development. Yes I adore every single secular nation which is successful western or not does not matter.
Get out of your madrassa and explore the world.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Islam allow this Islam allow that bla bla typical molvi mindset.Nothing Islamic is happening here when it comes to dealing with Minorties.
When you base your constitution on one religion it will get stronger at the expense of other's. It will get stronger and abusive and will be used to fulfill personal agenda's. That's what happening in our land of pure currently. There is no independent body which is able to decide rationally for all sects and religion's. There is no vision of nationalism and country development. Yes I adore every single secular nation which is successful western or not does not matter.
Get out of your madrassa and explore the world.

And I forgot to mention the mindset itself is not compatible with the 21st century.

 

[ghauri05]

Islam allow this Islam allow that bla bla typical molvi mindset.Nothing Islamic is happening here when it comes to dealing with Minorties.
When you base your constitution on one religion it will get stronger at the expense of other's. It will get stronger and abusive and will be used to fulfill personal agenda's. That's what happening in our land of pure currently. There is no independent body which is able to decide rationally for all sects and religion's. There is no vision of nationalism and country development. Yes I adore every single secular nation which is successful western or not does not matter.
Get out of your madrassa and explore the world.

man..seriously you don't have knowledge about islam at all...so it's useless to debate further..as all u want to do is implement western system without any logic...n who says it's not compatible with 21st century???West???
have they solved their social problems???if you look at their societies their social problems are way bigger than ours.

Now coming to minorities..what has Pak done to these minorities???can u quote a single incident of geniocide or anything like that by Pak???You are just spewing venom against islam for no reason

For being successful nation you don't need to leave religion..Honestly speaking if islam is implemented in Pak in true sense...then not only we will solve our social problems and become a developed country too....The problem with our country is although we have labelled ourselves as islamic republic and passed laws...but none of them is implemented.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

man..seriously you don't have knowledge about islam at all...so it's useless to debate further..as all u want to do is implement western system without any logic...n who says it's not compatible with 21st century???West???
have they solved their social problems???if you look at their societies their social problems are way bigger than ours.

Now coming to minorities..what has Pak done to these minorities???can u quote a single incident of geniocide or anything like that by Pak???You are just spewing venom against islam for no reason

For being successful nation you don't need to leave religion..Honestly speaking if islam is implemented in Pak in true sense...then not only we will solve our social problems and become a developed country too....The problem with our country is although we have labelled ourselves as islamic republic and passed laws...but none of them is implemented.

Quaid e Azam made it clear in his last speech at the state bank of Pakistan about what he envisioned.