Qasba ali Garh killings 1986

[FaujHistorian]

......I can also understand the case of Kashmiris and people from other ethnicity that settled in Punjab and well history tells us , never faced any discrimination . The same wasn't true for people of Karachi who were subjected to a lot of things -

Secur Bhai,

Jaan ki amaan paon to Araz Karoon?

I mean can I tell the dirty secrets of Karachi's ethnic history?

Only if you tell me you will be OK EVEN if some of the things may not put our Urdu Spanking Community in bad light.

Thank you

 

[Pakistani E]

And let's also not forget the wonderful role played by some in our Pak army. Don't get me wrong, I love my Pak army, my family has and still serves in various branches. But the upper core is corrupt and bias to the bone. I have personal experience of this discrimination, my dad's nephew who was stationed in Karachi during the 1992 operation told my Dad that the army were picking up any youth who remotely looked like a "muhajir" or Urdu speaker, he warned my dad to speak Punjabi if a soldier stops him. I don't care if anyone here doesn't believe it, but I was in Karachi during the 1992 operation.

And that's why MQM will always have my sympathises (even though I'm not a "muhajir" or Urdu speaker.)

Also this is why I always say about people who blame MQM for everything that they are either not from Karachi or were not born when these things were happening.

 

[W.11]

Ghaus ali shah explains qazba ali garh massacre

Qasba Aligarh 1986 Forgoten Truth

 

[Secur]

Secur Bhai,

Jaan ki amaan paon to Araz Karoon?

I mean can I tell the dirty secrets of Karachi's ethnic history?

Only if you tell me you will be OK EVEN if some of the things may not put our Urdu Spanking Community in bad light.

Thank you

You think I care about any bad light ? To be honest , I do not give two hoots about races . I believe in only through understanding can there be recovery . Go ahead with the brutal truth .

 

[Secur]

I have personal experience of this discrimination, my dad's nephew who was stationed in Karachi during the 1992 operation told my Dad that the army were picking up any youth who remotely looked like a "muhajir" or Urdu speaker, he warned my dad to speak Punjabi if a soldier stops him. I don't care if anyone here doesn't believe it, but I was in Karachi during the 1992 operation.

You are not wrong actually . Though , the operation was announced against MQM and anti social elements initially , mostly innocent peoples and again low level cadres were rounded up and a lot of them are missing to this day and there were causalities presumably in the thousands , not because they were from the party which was once part of the Govt because the top brass and specially whom they had been looking for had gone into hiding , but because they appeared as Muhajirs . Now I am told , though it makes little sense rationally , that outside the city the MQM name is synonymous with Muhajirs . Was the same thing being applied there while persecuting common innocent people who would of course later make ready made recruits for the party ? My father tells the same story during the operation , of fear , uncertainty and brutality . A lot of people had to migrate to foreign countries , South Africa mostly to escape this . Wonder why there are so many Pakistanis in the ground during the series ?

 

[W.11]

You are not wrong actually . Though , the operation was announced against MQM

yup and that makes sense right? the reality is the operation was against the 72 criminals who were not from MQM actually, and the operation which was initially carried out against the robbers of sindh was turned as an operation on jinnahpur that MQM was supposedly creating in karachi

 

[Secur]

yup and that makes sense right? the reality is the operation was against the 72 criminals who were not from MQM actually, and the operation which was initially carried out against the robbers of sindh was turned as an operation on jinnahpur that MQM was supposedly creating in karachi

I am no MQM supporter or sympathizer but no even that doesn't . Because first , you do not start operation against an entire political party no matter the charges , you just arrest the people involved en masse . If I were to believe that entire operations against a single political party are to be done then the ANP after Ayub Khan's rule made a more suitable target because it had been doing the drugs and guns business in the city for a long time , bolstered with the influx of Afghans in the 80's . A party that resorted to the massacre of innocent people ( around 120-300 per various sources ) just because its official drug distribution center had been attacked by the Govt and law enforcement agencies so if you put your biases down and thought sanely , then the operation should have been against them . As I told earlier , be balanced , equal and unbiased .

Yes , the official documents tell us how the operation was first conceived against the " dacoits of Sindh " - official words but later changed against the anti social elements in the city which then turned to something very ugly - persecution of a community . People were killed and a lot of them are missing to this day - cant shut the eyes off this fact . Later , a retired personnel enlightened us how the " Jinnahpur " was a manufactured evidence , a fake , a deceit for the nation to provide a premise for the entire thing . @Armstrong

 

[FaujHistorian]

While I am deeply saddened about the loss of Urdu people during that operation,

We must not forget the historic oppression by Urdu Spanking People since 1948,

And the brutal oppression since 1983 by Urdu people.

Why it is that Sindh's major city aka Karachi has been ethnically cleansed of top posts all thanks to Urdu Spanking people.

Can you ever imagine Lahore without Punjabis in the top posts, Peshawar without Pathans in the top posts, and Quetta without Balochis without top posts in politics, admin, judiciary, etc. etc.

No.

But my friends my community has wiped out the native Sindhi population from top jobs in the city.

And

then so many of us sit together, eat Pulao, and blame Sindhis and other ethnicities for all the $hit. .


Sadly.

 

[Secur]

@FaujHistorian

How do we accomplish that though , I am curious ?

P.S I know how " the victim card " is played despite we being the highest HDI group but yet some of it as always , is the politicians fault . A common Pashtun , Punjabi , Muhajir , Sindhi etc has nothing to get by fighting with each other , he's more concerned about putting the bread on the table .

 

[A.Rafay]

While I am deeply saddened about the loss of Urdu people during that operation,

We must not forget the historic oppression by Urdu Spanking People since 1948,

And the brutal oppression since 1983 by Urdu people.

Why it is that Sindh's major city aka Karachi has been ethnically cleansed of top posts all thanks to Urdu Spanking people.

Can you ever imagine Lahore without Punjabis in the top posts, Peshawar without Pathans in the top posts, and Quetta without Balochis without top posts in politics, admin, judiciary, etc. etc.

No.

But my friends my community has wiped out the native Sindhi population from top jobs in the city.

And

then so many of us sit together, eat Pulao, and blame Sindhis and other ethnicities for all the $hit. .


Sadly.

This is the reason why middle class educated sindhis are alienated while the waderas (who have nothing to do with common sindhis) have filled that gap and the majority of sindhis have no choice but to vote for them as a counter to muhajirs for what they did to sindhis.

 

[W.11]

While I am deeply saddened about the loss of Urdu people during that operation,

We must not forget the historic oppression by Urdu Spanking People since 1948,

And the brutal oppression since 1983 by Urdu people.

Why it is that Sindh's major city aka Karachi has been ethnically cleansed of top posts all thanks to Urdu Spanking people.

Can you ever imagine Lahore without Punjabis in the top posts, Peshawar without Pathans in the top posts, and Quetta without Balochis without top posts in politics, admin, judiciary, etc. etc.

No.

But my friends my community has wiped out the native Sindhi population from top jobs in the city.

And

then so many of us sit together, eat Pulao, and blame Sindhis and other ethnicities for all the $hit. .


Sadly.

quetta is a pashtun city

got you

as far as the politics is concerned, then who is the chief minister of sindh? who governs the city of karachi through local bodies? who has governed it since the very beginning? even though karachi people don't vote of them?

as far as karachi is concerned urdu speakers didn't kicked out sindhis, karachi never had significant sindhis in the first place, there were more balochs then sindhis since the beginning times

when karachi was made, the gurjratis from gujrat came to karachi and populated it

this is the news piece from 1948 by the way

 

[FaujHistorian]

@FaujHistorian

How do we accomplish that though , I am curious ?

P.S I know how " the victim card " is played despite we being the highest HDI group but yet some of it as always , is the politicians fault . A common Pashtun , Punjabi , Muhajir , Sindhi etc has nothing to get by fighting with each other , he's more concerned about putting the bread on the table .

you are so right about the "victim card" thingy. I mean I have these millionare folks sitting in our house, complaining "hum hain to mohajir".

Obviously I can't say too much to my older "uncles",

but to my cousins and their age group Mohajirs one on one basis sometimes when I can't take it anymore

I say

Dude! Do you forking know our relatives and their kids back in Bihar?

Do you know how forked up lives they are living there?

This was the exact life of the forefathers of these "filthy rich uncles" who now sit in front of us and f@rt and complain about Pakistan and the descrimination.

I have done my research and I know which "uncles" granpa was poor weaver and which granpa was doing odd jobs to earn few annas a day.

Now their future generations drive the latest models and complain and moan and groan.


So you ask how did we "do it"
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1. Housing - we got all the Hindu owned/abandoned/looted homes alloted to us, one two and even four in numbers.

Then we refused to sell or even rent to to non-Urdu


2. Education - We set up 100% quota preference to Urdu kids and refused to let Sindhis in even in the state institutions.

3. Jobs - until late 50s, we had 13% quota in federal jobs and 100% quota in Karachi jobs. (for many years Karachi being capital meant we had 100% quota going for both). Talk about double dipping, 10 fingures both hands AND feet in Ghee: lol hahahaha


This is just a high level summary that hopefully address your questions.
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Now contrast that to other provinces let's say Punjab and KP

1. Ch Kahliquzzman type Urdu spanking people looted Hindu owned Baraf-khanas (ice factories) and other factories and homes even in Lahore and Peshawar.

2. However Punjab and KP never set up education quotas for their Urban vs. rural population. This allowed upto 90% state university seats in Lahore and Peshawar to be filled by rural area students.

3. Similarly Punjab and KP never set up job quotas for their Urban vs. rural population. This allowed upto 90% of jobs in Lahore and Peshawar to be filled by rural area Punjabi and Pashtuns.


Hope it makes it easy to understand.


Thank you

 

[Secur]

Hope it makes it easy to understand.

I knew parts of the story , thanks for connecting the dots and completing/telling the rest . I wish to see the country free of these racial/linguistic politics . That is why my post emphasized on acting impartially without any bias .

 

[FaujHistorian]

I knew parts of the story , thanks for connecting the dots and completing/telling the rest . I wish to see the country free of these racial/linguistic politics . That is why my post emphasized on acting impartially without any bias .

You know who will be the biggest beneficiary of accepting the truths about our community's dastardly past?

Guess?

 

[Secur]

You know who will be the biggest beneficiary of accepting the truths about our community's dastardly past?

Guess?

The common Muhajir , of course . Though , my friend , this is really no excuse for the operation and the massacres , that happened in the past , not by any chance . The administration should have played its part instead of strengthening a political party by making a community feel " insecure " - we have an old habit of creating our enemies and then fighting them . Had they provided protection for innocent common people who had nothing to do with this and acted without bias , a lot would have been different .

The Pakistanis never learned history and hence failed to learn from it .