Putin says Russian city Volgograd may become Stalingrad again

[Fukuoka]

See its not about shame . Like I said before,there is not a single photo of the holodomer produced till now. Almost all photos of so called 'holodomer' of 1932 are from the volga famine of 1921-22 and some from US great depression. You can research on this. I have always agreed with you that the bolsheviks were jews and killed millions ,especially in russian civil war when 12 million died because of the bolshevik madness.

In my books, Holomodor made between 3 millions and 7 millions of deaths
And i think it's the dominating version

Starvation was and holodomer - was not. I wrote you that the grain needed to pay for machines, because the West refused to accept gold.
In America was the same famine, with millions of victims. Censorship prohibits to talk about it and conduct research for now.

So what is exactly for you the Holomodor and the 1921 famine?

 

[vostok]

In my books, Holomodor made between 3 millions and 7 millions of deaths
And i think it's the dominating version


So what is exactly for you the Holomodor and the 1921 famine?

Conspiratorial theory of holodomour created by pro-Western "historians" - a large-scale falsification established under the anti-Stalinist, anti-Soviet and Russophobian propaganda.
The theory of "holodomour" argues that Stalin for some personal reasons, destroyed the Ukrainian people. This is an incredible lie. If he wanted to do it, he would.
Stalin was a great politician and devoted his life to Russia and to socialism. I already wrote why in the Soviet Union was a famine in 32-33 years because grain in huge amounts was need to pay for machines and technologies due Industrialization - USSR had no choice as West refused to take gold.

 

[Fukuoka]

Conspiratorial theory of holodomour created by pro-Western "historians" - a large-scale falsification established under the anti-Stalinist, anti-Soviet and Russophobian propaganda.
The theory of "holodomour" argues that Stalin for some personal reasons, destroyed the Ukrainian people. This is an incredible lie. If he wanted to do it, he would.
Stalin was a great politician and devoted his life to Russia and to socialism. I already wrote why in the Soviet Union was a famine in 32-33 years because grain in huge amounts was need to pay for machines and technologies due Industrialization - USSR had no choice as West refused to take gold.

Actually for me the Holomodor existed, but it was made by Trotsky

 

[OCguy]

Many years in the Soviet Union also denied famine. So that details of the famine during the Great Depression in the United States, we know only after the fall of the American superpower, when censorship would stop and all "leaders of new times" will talk competing in speed about crimes of previous government.

Censorship? There is no State censorship. Wikipedia is run privately. In the US, you can write about what you please. It is obvious that the writer was playing to Russian egos by insisting that if they were suffering something, then others must have too. Particularly today, when memory the economic pain of living in the USSR is fading, and some are denying that failure altogether.

The US would have no reason to hide information on a famine, were there one. That is not hurtful to our sense of national pride, as it was almost a century ago.

There are all sorts of far more negative topics that you can look up about the US, hosted on US servers. A famine doesn't even rank in the top 50 things that I can think of that the government would want to censor, if it had the means or motive.

Hopefully the fact that the US sent food aid to Russia during one if its famines in 1921-1923 isn't censored over there.

Starvation was and holodomer - was not. I wrote you that the grain needed to pay for machines, because the West refused to accept gold.
In America was the same famine, with millions of victims. Censorship prohibits to talk about it and conduct research for now.

Do they really teach Russians that this is the truth? That makes me sad. Hopefully they still teach about the 6 million+ victims of orchestrated famine in that time period in the Ukraine/USSR.

Nobody is stopping anyone in the US from researching or writing about anything.

 

[vostok]

Censorship? There is no State censorship. Wikipedia is run privately. In the US, you can write about what you please. It is obvious that the writer was playing to Russian egos by insisting that if they were suffering something, then others must have too. Particularly today, when memory the economic pain of living in the USSR is fading, and some are denying that failure altogether.

The US would have no reason to hide information on a famine, were there one. That is not hurtful to our sense of national pride, as it was almost a century ago.

There are all sorts of far more negative topics that you can look up about the US, hosted on US servers. A famine doesn't even rank in the top 50 things that I can think of that the government would want to censor, if it had the means or motive.

Hopefully the fact that the US sent food aid to Russia during one if its famines in 1921-1923 isn't censored over there.



Do they really teach Russians that this is the truth? That makes me sad. Hopefully they still teach about the 6 million+ victims of orchestrated famine in that time period in the Ukraine/USSR.

Nobody is stopping anyone in the US from researching or writing about anything.

Oh yes - America most free country where there is no censorship and no surveillance authorities for the population. Continue to believe it.

 

[OCguy]

Oh yes - America most free country where there is no censorship and no surveillance authorities for the population. Continue to believe it.

That is what we call a logical fallacy. Nobody mentioned surveillance, and surveillance is not the same as censorship.

 

[atatwolf]

**** Stalin hope that asshole burns in hell for all eternity.
I lost several family members and almost 1/5 of all Ahiska in the world died in the Battle of Stalingrad.
Also Stalin was responsible for the deaths of 2/3 OF ALL AHISKAS on the Planet

If Russia changes the city name to Stalingrad, it will show the world what kind of people they are. It is Russian's choice. They should make the decision carefully. It will send a msg to people inside and outside Russia.

 

[vostok]

That is what we call a logical fallacy. Nobody mentioned surveillance, and surveillance is not the same as censorship.

Listen, I do not want to prove to you that your state - is the main world bully and racketeer. Big club hanging over anyone who dares to disagree.
You will understand everything yourself when the empire collapses.

 

[vostok]

Hmm. That is if the PRC will submit to such a union, and quite frankly such a union would put Moscow at the helm, and not Beijing. This would not be to beneficial to Beijing's calculus.

I'm talking about the restoration of the unity of former Soviet republics in the form of Eurasian Union and then transition to the socialist economic model. I'm not talking about the Union of the whole Eurasian continent. Though - it also happens, but in the longer term.