Putin says Russia Pakistan ties in India's long term interest.

[Cheetah786]

Hmm so now none other than Putin himself says that the Russia-Pakistan cooperation was only about counter-terrorism and anti-narcotics operations.

What's more he proves this by visiting India without bothering to step in Pakistan next door.

Here goes the wet dreams of PDF Pakistanis about SA-22, SA-17 SAMs and Mi-28NE.

Breath, Breath, Before you pass out.

 

[Secur]

Hmm so now none other than Putin himself says that the Russia-Pakistan cooperation was only about counter-terrorism and anti-narcotics operations.

Why the paranoia and insecurity then? After all, we dont sell to your enemies, right? * If I remember correctly, it came with an explicit permission to spit on the face if that is found happening * And you might have missed something there, Mr. Putin says that ties with Pakistan are in interests of all countries in the region incl India, the special status clause is gone. The limited scope of Pak-Russian co-operation is a deducement of the Hindu, these aren't the views of the President himself, who puts the current relation having emphasis on counter terrorism and anti-narcotics operations.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Oscar

Pakistan Army has taken out Chechen and Uzbeks in the operation in NWA
and this has pleased Russia

And Russia is also interested in Afghanistan

Plus weapon sales will bring in the much needed USD for Russia

Now How FAR Pakistan Russian relations go from here depends on

1 What is Russia able to get in Afghanistan with the help of Pakistan

This Afghanistan factor will take long time to play out and unless
there are substantial gains relatable to Pakistani help ; Pakistan
cannot claim credit on that score

2 Pakistani economy which will decide the budget of Pakistan vis a vis Russian arms

 

[Basel]

Pakistanis here are jumping for joy at the very thought of getting a couple of attack choppers from Russia!! Big deal! They think its gonna change the balance of power in the subcontinent in Pakistan's favour!!

But it's a good thing that the Russians are going to provide help to Pakistan for anti narcotics operations. But as @Horus mentioned in another post, his choice would be the SU-35s and a few batteries of the S-400!!

Now Russians, knowing the businessmen they are, will never give anything at discounted rates like the Chinese do where 'all weather' friend Pakistan is concerned. A Su-35's unit cost is $60 million (or Rs 600 crores PKR)!! This does not include life cycle costs and infrastructure etc which would see the unit cost go up to a mind boggling $80 - $90 million for a single SU-35! An S-400 battery costs $400 million (or Rs 4000 crores PKR)!! Never mind the life cycle costs! It'll make one sweat!

So what hi-tech weapon platforms does Pakistan intend to procure from Russia? Will it be affordable?

Its none of India's business what is affordable to Pakistan or not, why you people care about it? it our concern how to manage funds if we wanted something important for the country.

What Pakistan offer to Russia is not important Indians are missing more important part, that is is India more important then China to Russia? what India can offer to Russia in terms of support economically??

Indians jump here and their when they talk about how much they buy from Russia in $$ billions but how much it is when you compared it with China?? it is very tiny, same as Pakistan v India, recent growing of relations between Russia & Pakistan have many motivating factors and one important factor is China.

 

[hussain0216]

This reminds me of a Jewish p0rn star who can suck his own d!ck.View attachment 163431

Best not reveal too much about your private life on online forum

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar

Pakistan Army has taken out Chechen and Uzbeks in the operation in NWA
and this has pleased Russia

And Russia is also interested in Afghanistan

Plus weapon sales will bring in the much needed USD for Russia

Now How FAR Pakistan Russian relations go from here depends on

1 What is Russia able to get in Afghanistan with the help of Pakistan

This Afghanistan factor will take long time to play out and unless
there are substantial gains relatable to Pakistani help ; Pakistan
cannot claim credit on that score

2 Pakistani economy which will decide the budget of Pakistan vis a vis Russian arms

Agreed... hence this issue had LITTLE to do with Russian Indian relations.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Agreed... hence this issue had LITTLE to do with Russian Indian relations.

@Oscar Sir

You are right Sir ; it is not about India Russia relations

But what can be the FUTURE of Russia Pakistan relations

since the two future drivers of this relationship ie " Afghanistan and Money "
are both in a state of uncertainity at this moment

Pakistan on the brink of an economic transformation? - Blogs - DAWN.COM

What India can do in the next 2 days of Putin's stay is put
out some very big carrots before a dollar starved Russia

The task of India's MEA / MOD and the Finance Ministry is quite firmly cut out

Russians have played it smart by warming up to Pakistan

The Pakistani angle has really " set " the agenda for India Russia relations
or rather reinvigorated India - Russian ties

 

[Asian.Century]

India is now begging Russian, to stop all weapon deals to Pakistan, cut all types relationship of Pakistan, give the dhotis peep into Pakistanis buying Russian technology and all types of trade deals worth billions of dollars etc. Indians has lost it, Russia just wants to sell high priced items, share budgets as a cash cow. that's all to it.

Eventually Russia realises it needs Pakistanis far more than it actually thought, the immense strategic benefits it is generating. since after the Soviet lost war, Russia now knows what Pakistanis are really made of, the true potential of a small yet strong nation, and the Pakistanis have alot of influence in Middle eastern countries, Taliban and Afghanistan, just as China want to sell JF17s and other weapons to Arab countries via Pakistan...Russia could get the warm water pivot it badly needs.

Indians can just have one heart stroke after another.

 

[Green Arrow]

Good

 

[Parmanu]

India is now begging Russian, to stop all weapon deals to Pakistan, cut all types relationship of Pakistan, give the dhotis peep into Pakistanis buying Russian technology and all types of trade deals worth billions of dollars etc. Indians has lost it, Russia just wants to sell high priced items, share budgets as a cash cow. that's all to it.

Eventually Russia realises it needs Pakistan and Pakistani far more than it actually thought, the immense strategic benefits it is generating. since after the Soviet lost war, Russia now knows what Pakistanis are really made of, the true potential of a small yet strong nation, and the Pakistanis have alot of influence in Middle eastern countries, Taliban and Afghanistan, just as China want to sell JF17s and other weapons to Arab countries via Pakistan.

Indians can just have one heart stroke after another.

What it means is, China is no longer gonna make money off Russian spin offs from Pakistan.

What it means is, China is no longer gonna be the sole supplier of heavy arms. Is China gonna like that ?

Think about that.

 

[Asian.Century]

@Oscar
Now How FAR Pakistan Russian relations go from here depends on

1 What is Russia able to get in Afghanistan with the help of Pakistan

This Afghanistan factor will take long time to play out and unless
there are substantial gains relatable to Pakistani help ; Pakistan
cannot claim credit on that score

2 Pakistani economy which will decide the budget of Pakistan vis a vis Russian arms

Currently everything goes in favour of Russian, Russians earning millions worth of dollars from Pakistanis buying its weaponry, trade deals etc, and Russia also wants leverage over Afghanistan. it can get one though....not everything. Pakistanis has less to fear, given our insurance policy is actually with the Chinese and vice versa.

Indians can burn, to more blacker than the coal itself.

What it means is, China is no longer gonna make money off Russian spin offs from Pakistan.

What it means is, China is no longer gonna be the sole supplier of heavy arms. Is China gonna like that ?

Think about that.

Its all in the understanding with the Chinese, Pakistan and Chinese make joint Strategies, joint communique, can u tell me y China buys Russia RD-93s for Pakistan. Can u tell me y Pakistanis fought hard Chinese case in Middle east, Afghanistan and Iran...go google it, if u donot know y.

 

[Sneaker]

See Oscar, here is the deal. At first Indians were like Russia can stop RD93 supply and no big deal. Russia offers Islamabad direct collaboration. So couple of Indians are hospitalized because of heat stroke in the winters.
Then Russia says we have lifted the arms embargo on Pakistan, if there was any. Indians say not a big deal, Russia will never sell top of the line equipment. But IDEAS 2014 proved that wrong, you would have to be in Karachi in the past 2 weeks to know that Russians were everywhere in the city. From small arms to state of the art Missiles systems offered to Pakistan. Pakistan will go ahead and buy the attack choppers....and there is nothing India can do it......and funds permitting.....Pakistan will also get a lot of other goodies. Russia has already approved a bank loan. We don't border Russia so Oil and Gas is a big tough....but if Pakistan put it's foot down, we could easily get energy from central Asia....the very place India wants it's influence in. There is HUGE energy market in Pakistan, especially NG and LNG.

So all Indians can do is try to salvage whatever fake superpower non-sense they were inbred with.

Putin might be a KGB thug, but he is a smart man. He can get a lot more done in the Middle East via Pakistan than India.
There is absolutely no chance Russia gives a shyt about India........we have discussed this to death....It is India that needs Russia not the other way round.

It can be said the other way too. Pakistanis were saying Russian arms are junk, US arms are superior. Now, since the table are turning, they are jumping for Russian arms and it's copies??

 

[AgentOrange]

What it means is, China is no longer gonna make money off Russian spin offs from Pakistan.

What it means is, China is no longer gonna be the sole supplier of heavy arms. Is China gonna like that ?

Think about that.

I don't think China will have a problem with that since Chinese arm sales to Pakistan were never really about making money. Hence the friendship prices.

I think China will welcome Pakistan getting the most advanced weapons at the best possible price. That would serve both Chinese and Pakistani interests very well. And now Russian interests since Russia stands to make some money. Probably only one country in South Asia whose interests this development wouldn't serve...

 

[Parmanu]

Its all in the understanding with the Chinese, Pakistan and Chinese make joint Strategies, joint communique, can u tell me y China buys Russia RD-93s for Pakistan. Can u tell me y Pakistanis fought hard Chinese case in Middle east, Afghanistan and Iran...go google it, if u donot know y.

Because Russia won't sell it to Pakistan because of indian concerns.

Chinese will not be making money, their planes won't have publicity in the form of somebody buying them.

Chinese will not like it. Google what you want, think with your brain if you have one.

 

[Hiptullha]

It can be said the other way too. Pakistanis were saying Russian arms are junk, US arms are superior. Now, since the table are turning, they are jumping for Russian arms and it's copies??

"Some Pakistanis on PDF were saying that Russian arms are junk! Why is the government of Pakistan buying arms when those PDF Pakistanis were calling them junk?!"