Puteri Indonesia/Miss Indonesia 2013 Finale !

[nufix]

Part of it From Aceh to Raja Ampat was Islamic Country
You people realy can't stop your hatred toward Islam, don't you?

and most part of it was also Hindu and Buddhist Kingdom, what is your point? Indonesia is Indonesia, not some ******* Kingdoms which are now no more than what is written in history books. So instead of looking backward, start to realize that you are living in 21st century and look forward so that your brains will be having a straightforward way of thinking.

This is why I hate traditional arab funded islamists like you, stupid and ignorant at the same time. Why would I hate islam if it is my own religion? I just hate people that makes Islam look backward and only care about which thing is islamic and which isn't rather than caring for science and nation's progress.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

read the last paragraph and figure it out.

I did read it . Organiser said that all contestants will be required to respect the traditional customs and values of Indonesia.

So wearing bikini is against the value of religious society or non religious ones

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

. Why would I hate islam if it is my own religion? I just hate people that makes Islam look backward and only care about which thing is islamic and which isn't rather than caring for science and nation's progress.

My friend we have many so called liberal out there who label everything as backward which Islam recommend so they are not against Muslims who misuse Islam but they are against Islamic principles or Islamic values and whoever speak about these Islamic values or morals is considered backward/extremist by our liberal Muslim and i hope you are not one of those

 

[nufix]

My friend we have many so called liberal out there who label everything as backward which Islam recommend so they are not against Muslims who misuse Islam but they are against Islamic principles or Islamic values and whoever speak about these Islamic values or morals is considered backward/extremist by our liberal Muslim and i hope you are not one of those

Actually, I use backward to simplify my description about these muslims. What can I say to describe people who like to enforce laws that is not proven better or have not done any good to the country? What more can I say to explain these people's behavior that use violences to enforce their principles even to those who are not part of their religious belief? What other options do I have to tolerate these kind of people, that love "foreign" laws instead of their own people's principles (Indonesia's national Principles), that their grandfathers died for? What other kinds of tolerance should I give to these people who like to criticize and mock the government without giving adequate efforts to make things better? Should I hold my tongue for people who just mocked nationalists and nationalism, which their grandfathers dreamed and embraced?

I simply didn't find any other words other than backward, stupid, and such words, that may suit their descriptions, just simple as that.

 

[MuslimConscript]

Actually, I use backward to simplify my description about these muslims. What can I say to describe people who like to enforce laws that is not proven better or have not done any good to the country? What more can I say to explain these people's behavior that use violences to enforce their principles even to those who are not part of their religious belief? What other options do I have to tolerate these kind of people, that love "foreign" laws instead of their own people's principles (Indonesia's national Principles), that their grandfathers died for? What other kinds of tolerance should I give to these people who like to criticize and mock the government without giving adequate efforts to make things better? Should I hold my tongue for people who just mocked nationalists and nationalism, which their grandfathers dreamed and embraced?

I simply didn't find any other words other than backward, stupid, and such words, that may suit their descriptions, just simple as that.

What violent that I do?

Did you pray five time a day?

Same like the some arab before Islam right?
Did not want to leave what their grandfathers embraced?

 

[nufix]

What violent that I do?

Did you pray five time a day?

Same like the some arab before Islam right?
Did not want to leave what their grandfathers embraced?

Jangan geer, I was talking about the people LIKE you which did not specifically refer to you. People who like to talk about changing Indonesia into some sort of Islamic country.

There's nothing wrong with what they embraced, two biggest Islamic organizations NU and Muhammadiyah was and is still supporting the idea of Pancasila. When something doesn't break, why fix it? Indonesia's principles of Pancasila is not wrong, the blame should be put on those who wronged it, who abuse their power, who misuse people's trust. I and you as the people should keep on the track and work hard to do the right thing based on the principles of the people of Indonesia.

When an entire math class failed at math exam, will you change the whole subject and methods of the study? No, what you should do is re evaluate the teachers and find what's wrong with the method. What you should do to the country is work hard for the country and the people, I mean ALL PEOPLE, not particularly, and maybe you can replace the government position someday and avoid doing the things they are doing now, wronged Pancasila and UUD 45.

 

[MuslimConscript]

Jangan geer, I was talking about the people LIKE you which did not specifically refer to you. People who like to talk about changing Indonesia into some sort of Islamic country.

There's nothing wrong with what they embraced, two biggest Islamic organizations NU and Muhammadiyah was and is still supporting the idea of Pancasila. When something doesn't break, why fix it? Indonesia's principles of Pancasila is not wrong, the blame should be put on those who wronged it, who abuse their power, who misuse people's trust. I and you as the people should keep on the track and work hard to do the right thing based on the principles of the people of Indonesia.

When an entire math class failed at math exam, will you change the whole subject and methods of the study? No, what you should do is re evaluate the teachers and find what's wrong with the method. What you should do to the country is work hard for the country and the people, I mean ALL PEOPLE, not particularly, and maybe you can replace the government position someday and avoid doing the things they are doing now, wronged Pancasila and UUD 45.

People like me?
So you khow who I'm, eh?

Answer me Fazil Aulia, did you pray five times a day?

 

[livingdead]

@nufix .. let people believe what they want, if your constitution is secular, there should not be a problem,

 

[nufix]

People like me?
So you khow who I'm, eh?

Answer me Fazil Aulia, did you pray five times a day?

Fazil who? yes I pray five times, do you?

And please answer to my statements, don't turn this thread into a "buka bukaan identitas" thread

 

[MuslimConscript]

Fazil who? yes I pray five times, do you?

Read Quran, you're no more muslim, since you said Religion is like P*n*s

 

[nufix]

Read Quran, you're no more muslim, since you said Religion is like P*n*s

That is an analogy, don't you understand analogy?

In proper discussion, analogy is used to simplify any references with easier words to understand.



Of course, I will read it sometime to come, this is Ramadhan month and I want to chase my target, completing reading Qur'an. In the meantime, why don't you make a response to my statement?

@nufix .. let people believe what they want, if your constitution is secular, there should not be a problem,

I will let he believe what he wants, in fact I am letting him believing what he wants to believe. But when it comes to bashing the ideology and the country, that is something I can't tolerate. If they want what they believe to be respected, why do they need to mock others?

 

[jbond197]

Pancasila sounds very similar to Panchashila, which is a Sanskrit word meaning five disciplines. Looks like Sanskrit has had great influence on Indonesian language.

 

[nufix]

Pancasila sounds very similar to Panchashila, which is a Sanskrit word meaning five virtues. Looks like Sanskrit had lots of influence on Indonesian language.

Yes, Panca means five and Sila means principles in Indonesian sanskrit.

5 symbols, each represents one principle.

 

[MuslimConscript]

I will let he believe what he wants, in fact I am letting him believing what he wants to believe. But when it comes to bashing the ideology and the country, that is something I can't tolerate. If they want what they believe to be respected, why do they need to mock others?

What kind of mock that I do?
You're the one who mocking
Maling Teriak Maling

@hinduguy
No, he's fake secular
In his mind Indonesia is only belong to Nationalist and Minority

 

[Roybot]

Pancasila sounds very similar to Panchashila, which is a Sanskrit word meaning five disciplines. Looks like Sanskrit has had great influence on Indonesian language.

Indeed.

Indonesian language is called "Bahasha". Bhasha in Sanskrit means language, a whole lot of Sanskrit words in use in Indonesia.