Punishing Assad's WMD Supplier

[Solomon2]

C'mon....

Everyone already know the real story behind chemical weapons in Syria.

It was done by the rebels and they get it from Saudi Arabia.

I think some of the Pakistanis here actually take that story seriously.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

LOL
In 'Free America' these honorable people have to hide their faces in fear of their government and the scorn of their neighbours.

 

[dbc]

LOL
In 'Free America' these honorable people have to hide their faces in fear of their government and the scorn of their neighbours.

These honorable people serve the US military and are in violation of Article 134 of the uniform code which explains their attempt to conceal their identity.

Civilians can tattoo 'stay out of Syria' or 'Obama sucks' on their forehead and take a tour of the White House. I know this is all very confusing stuff for folks from China.

 

[gambit]

These honorable people serve the US military and are in violation of Article 134 of the uniform code which explains their attempt to conceal their identity.

Civilians can tattoo 'stay out of Syria' or 'Obama sucks' on their forehead and take a tour of the White House. I know this is all very confusing stuff for folks from China.

You threw him for a loop that his brain will never got out of. Oh...The inhumanity...

 

[Raphael]

These honorable people serve the US military and are in violation of Article 134 of the uniform code which explains their attempt to conceal their identity/[/IMG]

I'm sure conscripts in the Wehrmacht who resisted orders to carry out genocide were in violation of many Nazi military ordinances too.

 

[gambit]

I'm sure conscripts in the Wehrmacht who resisted orders to carry out genocide were in violation of many Nazi military ordinances too.

Yes, they were. Is there a point here?

 

[Raphael]

Yes, they were. Is there a point here?

Of course. Putting aside for a moment how disingenuous it is for you to feign ignorance, there's a striking parallel between my Wehrmacht scenario and any scenario in which US commits to military aggression against Syria, in express violation of international law, and inflicts horrendous violence upon the Syrian people on top of what they have already suffered. If a US soldier refuses to be complicit in that, they are fulfilling their ethical obligations to humanity.

 

[Developereo]

These honorable people serve the US military and are in violation of Article 134 of the uniform code which explains their attempt to conceal their identity.

Isn't there a 'conscientious objector' clause in there somewhere?

In any case, assuming these are active servicemen, and not some random guy who shopped at an army surplus store, I am sure handwriting analysis could help identify them if necessary.

 

[gambit]

Of course. Putting aside for a moment how disingenuous it is for you to feign ignorance, there's a striking parallel between my Wehrmacht scenario and any scenario in which US commits to military aggression against Syria, in express violation of international law, and inflicts horrendous violence upon the Syrian people on top of what they have already suffered. If a US soldier refuses to be complicit in that, they are fulfilling their ethical obligations to humanity.

I expected this. I did not feign ignorance. I had a pretty good idea of what you will bring forth. How predictable...

There is no valid comparison between the disobedience of American soldiers for something they may not have to do versus the Nazis, whose soldiers have committed clear atrocities such as herding people into gas chambers, etc. The 'striking parallel' here is in your imagination. You have no international law to back up your argument that any military actions against Syria qualifies as 'aggression'.

A 'war of aggression' mean one state wages a military campaign against another without just cause, not related to self defense, and/or in absence of exceptions.

The exception here could be -- COULD BE -- the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian government against its own people. The nature/status of the rebels, of which these alleged American soldiers objected to, are irrelevant in this context. If these American soldiers are ordered to Syria in their capacity to perform their duties, from a cook to being an infantryman, those orders are in no way atrocious like herding Syrians into gas chambers.

A Chinese member here talks about humanity...???

 

[Raphael]

I expected this. I did not feign ignorance. I had a pretty good idea of what you will bring forth. How predictable...

There is no valid comparison between the disobedience of American soldiers for something they may not have to do versus the Nazis, whose soldiers have committed clear atrocities such as herding people into gas chambers, etc. The 'striking parallel' here is in your imagination. You have no international law to back up your argument that any military actions against Syria qualifies as 'aggression'.

A 'war of aggression' mean one state wages a military campaign against another without just cause, not related to self defense, and/or in absence of exceptions.

The exception here could be -- COULD BE -- the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian government against its own people. The nature/status of the rebels, of which these alleged American soldiers objected to, are irrelevant in this context. If these American soldiers are ordered to Syria in their capacity to perform their duties, from a cook to being an infantryman, those orders are in no way atrocious like herding Syrians into gas chambers.

A Chinese member here talks about humanity...???

1. Any military aggression against a sovereign state not authorized by the UNSC is illegal under international law, and that is exactly what the US is threatening right now, and that is exactly what they threatened and perpetrated before their invasion of Iraq.

2. You try to elevate Nazi genocide to another status, but as the Iraq debacle shows, US militarism can be just as atrocious. The US dismantled Saddam's security apparatus, as well as the entire structure of the Iraqi state, and left a power vacuum that condemned the Iraqi people to a decade of anarchy and sectarian strife, which caused a million casualties. That was exactly what the international community predicted in refusing the US a license to kill at the UN, and that is exactly what the international community fears now.

3. Refrain from racist comments please. If you don't think Chinese people are capable of humanity, it's probably because you've internalized 19th century Western propaganda against people of color, despite that fact that you are one, and that the white people you crave acceptance from will never care for 'gooks'.

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

A Chinese member here talks about humanity...???

More credible than American members talk about humanity.

 

[gambit]

1. Any military aggression against a sovereign state not authorized by the UNSC is illegal under international law, and that is exactly what the US is threatening right now, and that is exactly what they threatened and perpetrated before their invasion of Iraq.

Really? Does that mean Iran's sponsorship of Hezbollah to conduct low level force against Israeli civilians authorized by the UNSC?

First...The fact that veto power exercised by Council members purely for political reasons rendered any judgement of legality of military actions next to worthless. Even legal scholars who support the supremacy of the UN had to admit that under the current structure of the UN, the Council serves more as a political platform than a legal one when it comes to adjudication of hostile disagreement between states.

Second...Armed interventions for humanitarian reasons are eminently exceptional for the adjudication on the legality of any unprovoked military action against another state. The African Union did it for both humanitarian and regional stability reasons in Africa when civil wars or in simply failed states situations.

Constitutive Act

(h) the right of the Union to intervene in a Member State pursuant to a decision of the Assembly in respect of grave circumstances, namely: war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity;

The fact that Russia objects and probably will exercise veto power despite credible evidences of the Assad government used chemical weapons further support the notion that UNSC adjudication on the legality of wars is not credible under acceptable legal standards. Putin will continue to insist that any chain of evidences be questioned and proof to be irrefutable means that Russia will never concede to any humanitarian exception in Syria. China will most likely go along just to poke US in the eye.

2. You try to elevate Nazi genocide to another status, but as the Iraq debacle shows, US militarism can be just as atrocious. The US dismantled Saddam's security apparatus, as well as the entire structure of the Iraqi state, and left a power vacuum that condemned the Iraqi people to a decade of anarchy and sectarian strife, which caused a million casualties. That was exactly what the international community predicted in refusing the US a license to kill at the UN, and that is exactly what the international community fears now.

Bullsh!t. We provided police and military training, as professionals to professionals, to the Iraqis, from individuals and organizational. It is not our failure that Iraqis hate and kill each other out of religious reasons. When people accuse someone of committing atrocities, it is accepted that there would be DIRECT and knowing participation of said atrocities, not even negligence would qualify.

This is straining as bad as a week long constipated person on the toilet.

3. Refrain from racist comments please. If you don't think Chinese people are capable of humanity, it's probably because you've internalized 19th century Western propaganda against people of color, despite that fact that you are one, and that the white people you crave acceptance from will never care for 'gooks'.

I said 'Chinese member here'. Not the Chinese people in general. If I do have such view, I would have had a field day over the news of the Chinese little girl who got ran over and ignored by her own countrymen. And yet I stayed out of that thread.

The Chinese crowd here cares about humanity when your racism is rampant?

 

[Wholegrain]

Really? Does that mean Iran's sponsorship of Hezbollah to conduct low level force against Israeli civilians authorized by the UNSC?

First...The fact that veto power exercised by Council members purely for political reasons rendered any judgement of legality of military actions next to worthless. Even legal scholars who support the supremacy of the UN had to admit that under the current structure of the UN, the Council serves more as a political platform than a legal one when it comes to adjudication of hostile disagreement between states.

Second...Armed interventions for humanitarian reasons are eminently exceptional for the adjudication on the legality of any unprovoked military action against another state. The African Union did it for both humanitarian and regional stability reasons in Africa when civil wars or in simply failed states situations.

Constitutive Act

The fact that Russia objects and probably will exercise veto power despite credible evidences of the Assad government used chemical weapons further support the notion that UNSC adjudication on the legality of wars is not credible under acceptable legal standards. Putin will continue to insist that any chain of evidences be questioned and proof to be irrefutable means that Russia will never concede to any humanitarian exception in Syria. China will most likely go along just to poke US in the eye.


Bullsh!t. We provided police and military training, as professionals to professionals, to the Iraqis, from individuals and organizational. It is not our failure that Iraqis hate and kill each other out of religious reasons. When people accuse someone of committing atrocities, it is accepted that there would be DIRECT and knowing participation of said atrocities, not even negligence would qualify.

This is straining as bad as a week long constipated person on the toilet.


I said 'Chinese member here'. Not the Chinese people in general. If I do have such view, I would have had a field day over the news of the Chinese little girl who got ran over and ignored by her own countrymen. And yet I stayed out of that thread.

The Chinese crowd here cares about humanity when your racism is rampant?

A Vietanmese police officer got cut in half by a vehicle and the bystanders calmly filmed him and did nothing while he writhed around.

********.com - Policeman 'cut in half' after accident talks to camera man *VERY GRAPHIC*

The tolerant, interracial paraside called Vietnam was among the most tolerant countries for tolerating people who can't stand to have a person of a different race live next to them.