PTI-led govt will prioritise Kashmir problem: Imran Khan

[Parul]

you people are cheap rats, for middle easterners and westerners.

Go get some life.....don't piss on the Thread....If you don't have anything to contribute then you Better Bug Off!!!

 

[batmannow]

let see survived with out electricity for most of the time and water ? if your lucky to digg underground and find water on your land. The other problem is trade route it India or Pakistan controls it. looks like even if Kashmir goes for Independence they will be at mercy for trade with either countries who just control the market.

thts the reason why its not possible that kashmir gets independence!
hve to go some very intellectual solution!

 

[SamantK]

I, think the closest we came was during Musharraf time, they almost had it done. But it doesn't mean it can't be done again.

Lastly, i wish to say that DO NOT underestimate the 3RD factor. People that benefit from our Multi Billion dollar arms shopping are never happy when we are talking. Creating chaos between INDO PAK = Marketing strategy for them.

Yes, but he could not sell that effectively to the Kashmiris for various reasons also.

It can be done, no doubt but the suspicion is too deep and only a long period of good relations can build up that confidence. Also, Pakistan needs to be stable. Have to agree Musharraf imparted some stability to Pakistan during his time.

 

[karan.1970]

thts the reason why its not possible that kashmir gets independence!
hve to go some very intellectual solution!

The only solution that has a faint chance of working is the status quo with greater autonomy for Kashmiris respectively in India and Pakistan administered Kashmirs. A long shot, but Mushy & Mannu almost pulled it off

 

[mr42O]

lol if u watch other news channel than indian u would learn it wasnt true. Musharif and India come close but during meeting when they almost had a deal Indians got cold feets. Musharif was cheif of army staff he would has no problem in signing agrement as if a PM in Pakistan had been in meeting u would said establisment did not allow him but this time Indians for some reason backed out. Musharif left India in anger 1 day earlier.

They had. Musharraf got into trouble at home & thimgs never really recovered. PPP was about to follow the same path but after demonstrations in the valley, they thought they should push for more. 26/11 happened & the rest is history.



In which case it shouldn't matter what India does because it is no longer your problem.

 

[Kompromat]

They had. Musharraf got into trouble at home & thimgs never really recovered. PPP was about to follow the same path but after demonstrations in the valley, they thought they should push for more. 26/11 happened & the rest is history.

Call, me a conspiracy theorist but i have noticed a pattern. Every time diplomats from both sides, get close to a deal on Kashmir [Which means ultimate peace and perhaps even a No War treaty]. Some inexplicable, and insane event happens either in Pakistan or India and we come back to square zero.

* Indian Parliament Attack
* Samjhota Express attack
* Mumbai Attack

And others that don't make much news. I don't understand if both countries build trust for a number of years, start trains and buses and refugee and prisoners swap, then they go to negotiations, get close to signing a deal and then authorize an attack on the other country? - To me it makes no sense, i now have come to believe that there are OTHER STAKEHOLDERS ie Arms companies who are well known for their covert ops to keep their arms sales up which ultimately means jobs creation in THEIR countries and jobs creation means re-electability for their presidents.

Its time when both countries need to look at countries or entities that ARE in my opinion sabotaging the peace process. In my opinion for example the biggest benefactor of 26/11 was western arms companies because we stood up like lunatics to fight each other and they came up with tools to sell and fight us. India bought, so much hardware after that, and so did Pakistan.We were about to fight they made cash.... smart huh?

 

[batmannow]

To all haters did u even listen what he is saying ??? some time i wounder ppl just start giving comments against IK without any reason as there agenda is do so for some strange reason...

What he says there is not miltary solution to Kashmir it must be a politic solution and must stop supporting arm groups. Now thats a very brave statments he was very criticized last time he said that in a interview on tv channels. And even better is that he said by doing that we should stop money so much money on weapons which can be used on humans in both countries. These are words of a brave politicans since what he say will not be liked amomg army and other sections of Pakistan. As last time other parties will mislead public using this against him.

can it be possible?
problems like kashmir dont get solved by just as we wish or with few statments!
& he hve to remember there will be no solution with out pakarmy & indian army?

 

[Bang Galore]

lol if u watch other news channel than indian u would learn it wasnt true. Musharif and India come close but during meeting when they almost had a deal Indians got cold feets. Musharif was cheif of army staff he would has no problem in signing agrement as if a PM in Pakistan had been in meeting u would said establisment did not allow him but this time Indians for some reason backed out. Musharif left India in anger 1 day earlier.

You are confusing lots of different stuff, You are probably talking about Agra, there was zero chance there. Musharraf came close with MMS but the lawyer's strike & mounting internal pressure was what collapsed the deal.

 

[mr42O]

I agree i think thats only solution both can live with but i would add Pakistan and India forces must with draw. Maybe only have forces. Kashmir as own stat runned by Kashmires . Azad Kashmir as part of Pakistan and Jamu as India but both runned by Kashmires and no armed forces allowed in area. Any other solution will involve war. Or voting as India and Pakistan also agree in UN but that would also cause alot of killings

The only solution that has a faint chance of working is the status quo with greater autonomy for Kashmiris respectively in India and Pakistan administered Kashmirs. A long shot, but Mushy & Mannu almost pulled it off

 

[batmannow]

The only solution that has a faint chance of working is the status quo with greater autonomy for Kashmiris respectively in India and Pakistan administered Kashmirs. A long shot, but Mushy & Mannu almost pulled it off

tht was the best of best we went close togather in 64 years?

 

[Azadkashmir]

Call, me a conspiracy theorist but i have noticed a pattern. Every time diplomats from both sides, get close to a deal on Kashmir [Which means ultimate peace and perhaps even a No War treaty]. Some inexplicable, and insane event happens either in Pakistan or India and we come back to square zero.

* Indian Parliament Attack
* Samjhota Express attack
* Mumbai Attack

And others that don't make much news. I don't understand if both countries build trust for a number of years, start trains and buses and refugee and prisoners swap, then they go to negotiations, get close to signing a deal and then authorize an attack on the other country? - To me it makes no sense, i now have come to believe that there are OTHER STAKEHOLDERS ie Arms companies who are well known for their covert ops to keep their arms sales up which ultimately means jobs creation in THEIR countries and jobs creation means re-electability for their presidents.

Its time when both countries need to look at countries or entities that ARE in my opinion sabotaging the peace process. In my opinion for example the biggest benefactor of 26/11 was western arms companies because we stood up like lunatics to fight each other and they came up with tools to sell and fight us. India bought, so much hardware after that, and so did Pakistan.We were about to fight they made cash.... smart huh?

That was obvious but its India side that does not get the wider picture even Chinese have explained to them lets solve our problems and unite the whole region against western imperialism. but they have no SHARAM.

 

[SamantK]

Call, me a conspiracy theorist but i have noticed a pattern. Every time diplomats from both sides, get close to a deal on Kashmir [Which means ultimate peace and perhaps even a No War treaty]. Some inexplicable, and insane event happens either in Pakistan or India and we come back to square zero.

* Indian Parliament Attack
* Samjhota Express attack
* Mumbai Attack

And others that don't make much news. I don't understand if both countries build trust for a number of years, start trains and buses and refugee and prisoners swap, then they go to negotiations, get close to signing a deal and then authorize an attack on the other country? - To me it makes no sense, i now have come to believe that there are OTHER STAKEHOLDERS ie Arms companies who are well known for their covert ops to keep their arms sales up which ultimately means jobs creation in THEIR countries and jobs creation means re-electability for their presidents.

Its time when both countries need to look at countries or entities that ARE in my opinion sabotaging the peace process. In my opinion for example the biggest benefactor of 26/11 was western arms companies because we stood up like lunatics to fight each other and they came up with tools to sell and fight us. India bought, so much hardware after that, and so did Pakistan.We were about to fight they made cash.... smart huh?

One hell of a theory, but I think eliminating local stakeholders/supporters first would be the path to take rather than blaming foreign hand first!

 

[karan.1970]

Call, me a conspiracy theorist but i have noticed a pattern. Every time diplomats from both sides, get close to a deal on Kashmir [Which means ultimate peace and perhaps even a No War treaty]. Some inexplicable, and insane event happens either in Pakistan or India and we come back to square zero.

* Indian Parliament Attack
* Samjhota Express attack
* Mumbai Attack

And others that don't make much news. I don't understand if both countries build trust for a number of years, start trains and buses and refugee and prisoners swap, then they go to negotiations, get close to signing a deal and then authorize an attack on the other country? - To me it makes no sense, i now have come to believe that there are OTHER STAKEHOLDERS ie Arms companies who are well known for their covert ops to keep their arms sales up which ultimately means jobs creation in THEIR countries and jobs creation means re-electability for their presidents.

Its time when both countries need to look at countries or entities that ARE in my opinion sabotaging the peace process. In my opinion for example the biggest benefactor of 26/11 was western arms companies because we stood up like lunatics to fight each other and they came up with tools to sell and fight us. India bought, so much hardware after that, and so did Pakistan.We fought they made cash.... smart huh?

Plus you are missing the armies of both sides and hardliners in your list of usual suspects. What do you think will happen to the little kingdoms of the generals and hardliners on both sides if this issue gets solved. Will Pakistani army be such a powerful organization if India is no longer an arch enemy with a large chunk of captured territory. ? Same with Indian army.. Though significantly less political, its still extremely turf conscious and knows that China can never be made such a large threat to justify a 35 billion USD military budget.

And dont even get me started on the likes of Geelani, Hafiz Saeed and the Thakrey clan...

 

[Kompromat]

The only solution that has a faint chance of working is the status quo with greater autonomy for Kashmiris respectively in India and Pakistan administered Kashmirs. A long shot, but Mushy & Mannu almost pulled it off

I, don't expect a better solution either nor do i personally think that Pakistan has a claim on Kashmir. If they get greater autonomy, demilitarization and so on, from then on they can decide whatever they want. It will take the element of war away from us. Pakistan and India can do just fine without Kashmir, its a headache for both. I am more interested in how much trade can be done with India after such an arrangement. All, i care about is having employed youth on both sides, and reducing the hostilities. I, wish to be able to go to Dehli or Agra on a holiday or go pay my respect to Ajmair sharif on that odd Friday.

I, am totally hopeful, that one day we will learn to move on and realize that our people do not need nukes but food and education and jobs and a sense of peace that no nut job in our region is going to explode a 30 kiloton nuclear weapon on our head at any given day.

 

[karan.1970]

I, don't expect a better solution either nor do i personally think that Pakistan has a claim on Kashmir. If they get greater autonomy, demilitarization and so on, from then on they can decide whatever they want. It will take the element of war away from us. Pakistan and India can do just fine without Kashmir, its a headache for both. I am more interested in how much trade can be done with India after such an arrangement. All, i care about is having employed youth on both sides, and reducing the hostilities. I, wish to be able to go to Dehli or Agra on a holiday or go pay my respect to Ajmair sharif on that odd Friday.

I, am totally hopeful, that one day we will learn to move on and realize that our people do not need nukes but food and education and jobs and a sense of peace that no nut job in our region is going to explode a 30 kiloton nuclear weapon on our head at any given day.

Ameen .