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Pseudo secular India: The only country in the world with 'super minorities'

The Indian media continues to perpetuate the myth that Muslims are treated in a way that is special. The author conveniently forgets massacres carried out against muslims and the beef ban in a region that is majority muslim. Perpetuating this myth is a disservice to the secular system which people in India are being led to believe is favorable to muslims or christians. It is a dangerous myth because this does not allow them to raise the real issues-the issue of minority rights

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Hindus are majority in India , But no one speaks about Kashmiri Pandits .

Most of the converts in India are from weakest section of Hindus . Some became Christians while some became Muslims .
But its Christians who have excelled in India while For Muslims converts nothing has changed .

Its not a Problem of Government , but the problem lies in the mindset of Muslim Converts . In 21st century , People who can't look beyond religion are going to stay behind .
 
My take:

We as a nation have arrived on this situation due to our low mentality. It is very typical of us Hindus to be flexible, accommodating towards others. This in combination with CONgress ruling us for last 60 years has done no good.

CONgress in association with intellectuals has somehow managed to make us feel low in our own country. This has a lot to do with our so called education system. We are looked down upon if we question anything or any decisions taken in favor of minority. Our Hindu predecessors in last 50 years did not get the required kind of support to fight CONgress decisions, the way today BJP, VHP, SS or RSS does.

For ex. Haj subsidy, muslim personal laws, allowing free mosques at every nukads and junctions with loudspeaker (did they have in Prophets times?).

Impotent and spineless political leadership has brought us to gallows. Today we are in a situation where if we take a decision and our so called Muslim brothers are unhappy, we have to take one step backwards to make them feel happy. In ability to control minority population has also led to a situation where we might end by ceeding land in future, just to keep troubles away and keep ourselves safe.

We need bold leadership and people who will stand by leadership to do major turnover such as
- Modernized madrasa education
- Target for end of Haj subsidy
- Reduce subsidy or social benefits for people / couples having more than 2 or 3 kids.
- No govt jobs for people having more than 2 or 3 kids.
- Isolate Muslim board using political tools. This will reduce influence on normal Muslims. Bring them under complete govt control. Something akin to how China did with Tibetian monks. All policies and rules will need govt approval.
- All madrasas and boards should show their financial incomes or close them down.
- Free education, uniform and books with bicycle for children of poor muslims who have max 2 kids. No benefits if more than 2 kids.

I may sound harsh here. But time has come to draw lines or our 3rd generation onwards we will be a minority in our own country. That day is not so far.

I will give an example here...recently 1-2 yrs back muslims in Switzerland started protests for minarets and loudspeaker on mosques...Swiss government calmly said ok...lets have a vote for this. Majority population voted against it. The result is..no top round minarets and no loudspeakers.

We can say lot of things but somewhere RED line needs to be drawn. We as Hindus are divided between castes and sub castes. We are getting divided day by day due to caste based reservation and politics.. Bihar result is classic example... This situation helps Muslims exploit our weakness and ruin us down further.

Jai Hind
 
My take:

We as a nation have arrived on this situation due to our low mentality. It is very typical of us Hindus to be flexible, accommodating towards others. This in combination with CONgress ruling us for last 60 years has done no good.

CONgress in association with intellectuals has somehow managed to make us feel low in our own country. This has a lot to do with our so called education system. We are looked down upon if we question anything or any decisions taken in favor of minority. Our Hindu predecessors in last 50 years did not get the required kind of support to fight CONgress decisions, the way today BJP, VHP, SS or RSS does.

For ex. Haj subsidy, muslim personal laws, allowing free mosques at every nukads and junctions with loudspeaker (did they have in Prophets times?).

Impotent and spineless political leadership has brought us to gallows. Today we are in a situation where if we take a decision and our so called Muslim brothers are unhappy, we have to take one step backwards to make them feel happy. In ability to control minority population has also led to a situation where we might end by ceeding land in future, just to keep troubles away and keep ourselves safe.

We need bold leadership and people who will stand by leadership to do major turnover such as
- Modernized madrasa education
- Target for end of Haj subsidy
- Reduce subsidy or social benefits for people / couples having more than 2 or 3 kids.
- No govt jobs for people having more than 2 or 3 kids.
- Isolate Muslim board using political tools. This will reduce influence on normal Muslims. Bring them under complete govt control. Something akin to how China did with Tibetian monks. All policies and rules will need govt approval.
- All madrasas and boards should show their financial incomes or close them down.
- Free education, uniform and books with bicycle for children of poor muslims who have max 2 kids. No benefits if more than 2 kids.

I may sound harsh here. But time has come to draw lines or our 3rd generation onwards we will be a minority in our own country. That day is not so far.

I will give an example here...recently 1-2 yrs back muslims in Switzerland started protests for minarets and loudspeaker on mosques...Swiss government calmly said ok...lets have a vote for this. Majority population voted against it. The result is..no top round minarets and no loudspeakers.

We can say lot of things but somewhere RED line needs to be drawn. We as Hindus are divided between castes and sub castes. We are getting divided day by day due to caste based reservation and politics.. Bihar result is classic example... This situation helps Muslims exploit our weakness and ruin us down further.

Jai Hind

:o: This needs Positive rating :tup:
 
The Indian media continues to perpetuate the myth that Muslims are treated in a way that is special. The author conveniently forgets massacres carried out against muslims and the beef ban in a region that is majority muslim. Perpetuating this myth is a disservice to the secular system which people in India are being led to believe is favorable to muslims or christians. It is a dangerous myth because this does not allow them to raise the real issues-the issue of minority rights

Tall talks for someone who is known for ethnic minorty cleansing.

I agree we have some incidents happening. But it is not as serious as our crooked msm shows.

If you want, i can show different means employed in Pakistan to force minorities to suffer in different ways.

Muslims in India and other countries like Pakistan need to realize, we are in 21st century and some things such as mindset, approach need to change. Or else it will end up creating two societies... One knowledgeable and rich vs illiterate and poor.

Regards
 
The Indian media continues to perpetuate the myth that Muslims are treated in a way that is special. The author conveniently forgets massacres carried out against muslims and the beef ban in a region that is majority muslim. Perpetuating this myth is a disservice to the secular system which people in India are being led to believe is favorable to muslims or christians. It is a dangerous myth because this does not allow them to raise the real issues-the issue of minority rights
You conveniently forget a lot of parts too, always. Oh well, there is a reason nobody takes you seriously.
 
OP has given it this topic some due thought and has managed to put across his argument in a coherent manner hence my thanks @Kashmiri Pandit.

This is a very difficult topic for me to comment on and I am very conflicted on this as I am a minority but on some level I agree with OP partially. Still in the interest of balance I would like to raise a few questions:

1. Issue of Polygamy and Women's rights - Govt understandably cannot take a firm decision on Uniform Civil Code in absence of national consensus among Muslims on this matter as this can sow the seeds of further communal disharmony . I and many others whom I know belong to Muslim community are firm proponents of Uniform Civil Code but it is important to realize the following facts

a. Deferment of Uniform Civil Code was a bargain made with some influential Muslim parties in return for their support to India and firm advocacy by Muslims Leaders to preserve their practices. With the benefit of hindsight we can say nothing good has come out of it but still this can be construed as a case of preserving individual rights of Muslims however antiquated and offensive to modern sensibilities they might be.

b. No govt, even the staunchest of right wing specially them would take the risk to legislate on this matter. Less i say about left and congress the better. Hence all hope lies with judiciary, who would only make firm ruling (not observations) when the public opinion is unanimously favorable. I don't see it happening anytime soon hence it is perhaps better we devote our energies to other causes like social development, education, infra etc.

2. RTE, Minority schools, Haj Pilgrimage Subsidy - There is no doubt this is a case of special privileges to minority community. The point is does that community need affirmative action? If yes, the question becomes much broader including the whole gamut of affirmative action present in India including reservations and quotas. Muslims as we all know don't get them to an extent others do. Muslims also are as left behind as SC/ST in many cases. Open quota for muslims and all hell would break loose. In that case the above can be considered as a sweetener. As for Christians and others - I believe we can do away with special privileges.

I know that many would say most troubles Muslims face like their backwardness and poor performance in social indicators is their own fault but Please understand this from other side's perspective too - sometimes we get too carried away by our own narrative and fail to empathize with others. Think what a Muslim feels about these issues - try to understand his PoV. Understand his insecurities.

3. Tolerance and Hindutva - This is a perception battle and a large part of this intolerance debate is politically motivated however that said there is no denying the fact that there is increased hostility towards Minority communities. It is my personal observation that fringe right groups are more assertive and in some cases downright malignant in it's intention towards Muslims mostly. The minority being a minority is more sensitive to such factors hence even the smallest of actions have an amplified effect on the. What is probably an isolated incident can seem like a pattern to the minority.

Now there are three options

a. One can assuage this fears by promoting and actively speaking about tolerance and brotherhood.

b. One can be silent or ambiguous about it - thus creating further insecurity

c. One can openly support anti minority acts - thus firming up the hostility and leading to downward spiral of fissures in our society

I believe we are seeing a combination of b and c with some among right opting for option c and some at the top opting for option b.

Regards

@Bang Galore @SarthakGanguly @Sky lord @Joe Shearer
 
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Another feeling good about themselves thread with stupid comparisons to deny the rise of Hindu extremism . Let forget about Muslims but you don't give any respect and any equal right to dalits who are follower of Hinduism. Give minorities/dalits opportunities of job/education/work, give them equal social status etc instead of giving them right of polygamy lol What is the use of giving them right of polygamy when they are living in slums and cannot afford basic things. Dont looked upon Indian Muslims with suspicion and hostility. Dont expect them to be assimilated into the general Hindu milieu and give up their religious identity. Dont deny them residence in your neighbourhood just because of their religion.This secular nation or worlds largest democracy are not reflected outside of the constitution. Do Muslims have right to eat according to their scripture? If polygamy is allowed then why not beef as they boht are allowed for them according to their religious beliefs? just go and search dozen videos in youtube where Muslims are being tortured/humiliated in the hands of RSS/BJP/Shiv Sena goons for some animals who is more scared and honourable for them than fellow Indians and then they will sout Indian first and Hindu later lol
 
Another feeling good about themselves thread with stupid comparisons to deny the rise of Hindu extremism . Let forget about Muslims but you don't give any respect and any equal right to dalits who are follower of Hinduism. Give minorities/dalits opportunities of job/education/work, give them equal social status etc instead of giving them right of polygamy lol What is the use of giving them right of polygamy when they are living in slums and cannot afford basic things. Dont looked upon Indian Muslims with suspicion and hostility. Dont expect them to be assimilated into the general Hindu milieu and give up their religious identity. Dont deny them residence in your neighbourhood just because of their religion.This secular nation or worlds largest democracy are not reflected outside of the constitution. Do Muslims have right to eat according to their scripture? If polygamy is allowed then why not beef as they boht are allowed for them according to their religious beliefs? just go and search dozen videos in youtube where Muslims are being tortured/humiliated in the hands of RSS/BJP/Shiv Sena goons for some animals who is more scared and honourable for them than fellow Indians and then they will sout Indian first and Hindu later lol

Thank you for advice.

How about you following even half of these with your minorities?
 
Thank you for advice.

How about you following even half of these with your minorities?
we will compare when you will claim India is hindu republic of India rather than secular India.. You have significant number of minorities and people belong or associated with low castes so these issues are more a concern for you. We never kill people for their food habits. we are not running ghar wapsi schemes to convert jahil illiterate villagers by giving them some economic benefits. We dont ask Hindus to leave Pakistan and go settle in India. If they leave voluntarily then its their own choice.
 
I think the SC has ruled that the haj subsidy must end soon, makes sense, let the rich muslims sponsor the lesser privileged among them to do a pilgrimage, why steal everyone's tax money for any religious group when you can put it to better use in a true secular way and help everyone regardless of their "religion".

You will be named and intolerant human being in India.
Spending tax payers money on Haj is absolutely (pseudo)secular.

we will compare when you will claim India is hindu republic of India rather than secular India.. You have significant number of minorities and people belong or associated with low castes so these issues are more a concern for you. We never kill people for their food habits. we are not running ghar wapsi schemes to convert jahil illiterate villagers by giving them some economic benefits. We dont ask Hindus to leave Pakistan and go settle in India. If they leave voluntarily then its their own choice.

Yes, you don't kill for food habits.
Yes, you don't accept ghar wapsi, just killing.
Even we don't ask Muslims to go to Pakistan but if they leave voluntarily it is their choice.
 

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