Probe expands in truck deaths, all 39 victims are from China

[paritosh]

Improving infrastructure and reducing poverty is not enough. There are social freedoms and rights that are important too that you can only get in developed democracies like in Europe. Its an eventuality that China will face.

https://www.learning-theories.com/maslows-hierarchy-of-needs.html

 

[beijingwalker]

China says no confirmation yet on UK truck victims' nationality
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/...firmation-yet-on-uk-truck-victims-nationality

 

[Rusty]

I don't think those illegal immigrants risking their lives think China is the "best". The ones thinking china is the "best" won't leave china actually since they are pretty well off already, so you had it backward.



I don't know there are "a lot" of CCP officials defecting to the west, few, yes, not "a lot". Most of them defecting to the west not for "freedom and rights", but because they are under some sort of investigation for corruption, and jumped ship. But of course west will never admit those defecting officials are corrupt, they call them "freedom" fighters.

Disagree.
In Canada we have so many hardcore Chinese nationalists, to the point where they are starting fights in the streets over the HK issues.

The only explanation I can come up with is compartmentalization. Many of our Chinese friends here do the same.

- China is the best country in the world and does not need any freedoms

/Same Chinese members

- I have bought properties in the west and plan to move there soon.

I have seen this exact thing by our PDF Chinese friends.


The only way people can do that is to that is to compartmentalize both thoughts and not allow them to to interact with each other.

 

[OIO]

LONDON (AP) — All 39 people found dead in a refrigerated container truck near an English port were Chinese citizens, British police confirmed Thursday as they investigated one of the country's deadliest cases of people smuggling.

The Essex Police force said 31 men and eight women were found dead in the truck early Wednesday at an industrial park in Grays, a town 25 miles (40 kilometers) east of London.

A magistrate gave detectives another 24 hours to question the driver, a 25-year-old man from Northern Ireland who has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. He has not been charged, and police have not released his name.

Police in Northern Ireland searched three properties there as detectives sought to piece together how the truck's cab, its container and the victims came together on such a deadly journey.

Pippa Mills, deputy chief of Essex Police, said the process of conducting post-mortem examinations and identifying the victims would be "lengthy and complex."

"This is an incredibly sensitive and high-profile investigation, and we are working swiftly to gather as full a picture as possible as to how these people lost their lives," she said.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry said Chinese Embassy employees in the U.K. were driving to the scene of the crime to aid the investigation.

Police believe the truck and container took separate journeys before ending up at the industrial park. They say the container traveled by ferry from the Belgian port of Zeebrugge to Purfleet, England, where it arrived early Wednesday and was picked up by the truck driver and driven the few miles to Grays.

The truck cab, which is registered in Bulgaria to a company owned by an Irish woman, is believed to have traveled from Northern Ireland to Dublin, where it caught a ferry to Wales, then drove across Britain to pick up the container.

Global Trailer Rentals Ltd told Ireland's national broadcaster RTE on Thursday that it owns the trailer and that it was leased Oct. 15 in County Monaghan, in Ireland, at a rate of 275 euros ($299) per week. The Dublin-based company said it will make the data from its tracking system available to investigators.

The company's directors told RTE it was "shell-shocked" at the news and that it was it was "entirely unaware that the trailer was to be used in the manner in which it appears to have been."

Groups of migrants have repeatedly landed on English shores using small boats to make the risky Channel crossing, and migrants are sometimes found in the back of cars and trucks that disembark from the massive ferries that link France and England. But Wednesday's macabre find in an industrial park was a reminder that criminal gangs are still profiting from large-scale trafficking.

The tragedy recalls the deaths of 58 Chinese migrants who suffocated in a truck in Dover, England, in 2000 after a perilous, months-long journey from China's southern Fujian province. They were found stowed away with a cargo of tomatoes after a ferry ride from Zeebrugge, the same Belgian port that featured in the latest tragedy.

In February 2004, 21 Chinese migrants — also from Fujian — who were working as cockle-pickers in Britain drowned when they were caught by treacherous tides in Morecambe Bay in northwest England.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson vowed in Parliament on Wednesday that people smugglers would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Britain, with its high demand for tourism, restaurant and agricultural workers, remains a very attractive destination for immigrants from all countries, even as the U.K. is rethinking its immigration rules as it prepares to leave the 28-nation European Union.

Nando Sigona, a professor of migration studies at the University of Birmingham, said tougher migration controls born of populist anti-immigrant sentiment across Europe were closing down less dangerous routes to the West, which has encouraged smugglers to take more risks and try out new routes.

"The fact that all these people came from the same country could hint to a more organized crime scenario," he told The Associated Press. "Usually, if it's an ad hoc arrangement at the port, you would get a bit of a mix of nationalities."

He said smugglers can earn more by packing as many people as possible into a ship or truck.

"Death is a side effect," he said.

Sigona, who has studied Chinese immigrants to the U.K., said China's rising middle class has more access to multiple routes to come to the West legally — say, with student or tourist visas. This means that the West is now closer to the public imagination in China, and could prompt those with fewer resources to put themselves and their families into debt in hopes of reaping similar rewards.

U.K. authorities have warned for several years that people smugglers are turning to Dutch and Belgian ports because of increased security measures on the busiest cross-Channel trade route between the ports of Calais in France and Dover in England.

Britain's National Crime Agency warned in 2016 that people smuggling using containers on ferries was "the highest-priority organized immigration crime threat." The same year, the U.K. Border Force identified Zeebrugge and the Hook of Holland in the Netherlands as key launching points for smuggling people into Britain.

Belgian authorities said they had not made much headway in finding out how the container ended up in Zeebrugge.

"Up till now, we have a lot of questions and not a lot of answers. We don't even know which road was followed by the truck in Belgium," said Eric Van Duyse, spokesman for the Belgian prosecutor's office. "We don't know how much time it stayed in Belgian territory. We don't know if it stopped or not."

Most likely they were from Fujian province, smuggling is their tradition.

Disagree.
In Canada we have so many hardcore Chinese nationalists, to the point where they are starting fights in the streets over the HK issues.

The only explanation I can come up with is compartmentalization. Many of our Chinese friends here do the same.

- China is the best country in the world and does not need any freedoms

/Same Chinese members

- I have bought properties in the west and plan to move there soon.

I have seen this exact thing by our PDF Chinese friends.


The only way people can do that is to that is to compartmentalize both thoughts and not allow them to to interact with each other.

You don't understand Chinese, there are conflicts and problems in China but most Chinese will be united when facing external threat.

 

[Beast]

Most likely they were from Fujian province, smuggling is their tradition.



You don't understand Chinese, there are conflicts and problems in China but most Chinese will be united when facing external threat.

Not sure, is it Chinese. So far China UK embassy has failed to ID any of the victims. Quite unlikely they are from China since no database found of them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...9-b2d2-1f37c9d82dbb_story.html?outputType=amp

And also, if they really want to illegal migrant to UK. They can simply signed a tour package and disappeared rather than paid almost $20000 pounds with this dangerous method.

 

[OIO]

Not sure, is it Chinese. So far China UK embassy has failed to ID any of the victims. Quite unlikely they are from China since no database found of them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-latest-chinese-embassy-says-nationalities-not-confirmed/2019/10/24/9f499b20-f6d3-11e9-b2d2-1f37c9d82dbb_story.html?outputType=amp

And also, if they really want to illegal migrant to UK. They can simply signed a tour package and disappeared rather than paid almost $20000 pounds with this dangerous method.

Fujian people can't get visa.

 

[tower9]

Pretty surprising that Chinese people in this day and age would still risk their lives smuggling themselves to the UK when there are plenty of opportunities back in China. I don't see countries with lower GDP per capita doing this.

Disagree.
In Canada we have so many hardcore Chinese nationalists, to the point where they are starting fights in the streets over the HK issues.

The only explanation I can come up with is compartmentalization. Many of our Chinese friends here do the same.

- China is the best country in the world and does not need any freedoms

/Same Chinese members

- I have bought properties in the west and plan to move there soon.

I have seen this exact thing by our PDF Chinese friends.


The only way people can do that is to that is to compartmentalize both thoughts and not allow them to to interact with each other.

A lot of these recent Chinese immigrants live in the West but live in Chinese bubbles where they only speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, have only Chinese friends and speak of the locals as "foreigners".

It's obnoxious. The fact that they would parade around in Canada waving Chinese flags and talk about Chinese nationalism WHILE living in Canada is fucking ridiculous to the tilt. I hate these types of immigrants.

 

[Rusty]

Most likely they were from Fujian province, smuggling is their tradition.



You don't understand Chinese, there are conflicts and problems in China but most Chinese will be united when facing external threat.

For sure, but why move to the west when you can live in Glorious China?
That part I don't understand.

 

[master_13]

For sure, but why move to the west when you can live in Glorious China?
That part I don't understand.

you are confusing nationalism with bragging. Most of these chinese know west is better than china, in terms of clean air, simple life, less pressure, better life style, possible democracy and freedom, these are implied, they don't have to say those, everyone understands. When they say how good china is, it's really trying to push back against some of the vicious and even lies against china, things such as Chinese are "slave labors", chinese have "no human rights" and are "oppressed" in china, chinese are dirt poor, it's nationalistic way of pushing back against some of the extreme bias and even lies spreading against china in the west, that doesn't mean they don't recognize west are in many ways still superior to china, but those known and are not up for debate.

 

[casual]

For sure, but why move to the west when you can live in Glorious China?
That part I don't understand.

pay's better in the west. Also, chinese move to the west for education. for kids who didn't test into good universities in china, their families can pay money for them to go to good university in the west.

 

[Beast]

Fujian people can't get visa.

That's not true. Most Chinese can get Visa no matter southern or northern Chinese especially if you booked tour package.

 

[OIO]

Pretty surprising that Chinese people in this day and age would still risk their lives smuggling themselves to the UK when there are plenty of opportunities back in China. I don't see countries with lower GDP per capita doing this.

For sure, but why move to the west when you can live in Glorious China?
That part I don't understand.

Maybe they have relatives in UK, but they can't get a visa. It's more reasonable if a West person asking the question. The root cause is Chinese missed the age of discovery.

 

[beijingwalker]

No one knows who they were and where they were from yet, their nationality is not confirmed so far.

 

[BL33D]

https://www.learning-theories.com/maslows-hierarchy-of-needs.html

I read about it in my management classes. Applies.

 

[Beast]

No one knows who they were and where they were from yet, their nationality is not confirmed so far.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ain-must-accept-responsibility-not-protecting

China is not a "developed" nation!!!!! Despite US effort trying to make china so and trying to strip all the "developing" nation designation from china at the World Bank and WTO.

China is Indeed a developed nation. The 39 death is not Chinese but Vietnamese.. No Chinese are willing to paid so much for a stupid method to get into UK. As I say, they can simply signed a cheaper tour package and disappeared in UK..

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ain-must-accept-responsibility-not-protecting

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