President Donald Trump's executive immigration order

[Clutch]

Mourning time for Indians..as no "isolated" Pakistan mentioned in the list...!

Pretty sure pakistan would be put on that list soon... it's inevitable..

Pakistan is always the scapegoat for afghan and Indian woes... they blame their internal failures on pakistan.. While the rest of the world eats it up... because we live in the age of "fake news" where truth is the first victim.

 

[somebozo]

Pretty sure pakistan would be put on that list soon... it's inevitable..

Pakistan is always the scapegoat for afghan and Indian woes... they blame their internal failures on pakistan.. While the rest of the world eats it up... because we live in the age of "fake news" where truth is the first victim.

Why isn't pakistan on the list ?? Trump is stupid.

I doubt..there is too much at stake...WOT would go to trash...!

 

[Devil Soul]

Trump says restricted entry for Muslims necessary as world is 'a total mess'
By AFP
Published: January 26, 2017
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U.S. President Donald Trump (L), flanked by Vice President Mike Pence, takes the stage to deliver remarks at Homeland Security headquarters in Washington, US January 25, 2017. PHOTO: REUTERS

WASHINGTON: US President Donald Trump said late Wednesday that his plan to limit the entry of people from several Muslim countries was necessary because the world is “a total mess”.

Interviewed on ABC News, Trump denied that it was a ban on Muslims. “No it’s not the Muslim ban, but it’s countries that have tremendous terror,” Trump said.

Rights advocates slam Trump plans on Muslim immigrants, refugees

“And it’s countries that people are going to come in and cause us tremendous problems. Our country has enough problems without allowing people to come in, who in many cases or in some cases, are looking to do tremendous destruction.”

Trump refused to be pinned down on which countries he was talking about, but did say that he believed that Europe “made a tremendous mistake by allowing these millions of people to go into Germany and various other countries, and all you have to do is take a look, it’s a disaster what’s happening over there.”

According to a draft executive order published in US media, refugees from war-torn Syria will be indefinitely banned, the broader US refugee admissions program will be suspended for 120 days, and all visa applications from countries deemed a terrorist threat — Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen — will be halted for 30 days.

Trump was asked if he was concerned that this would anger Muslims around the world. “Anger? There’s plenty of anger right now. How can you have more?” he said.

“The world is a mess. The world is as angry as it gets. What, you think this is going to cause a little more anger? The world is an angry place. All of this has happened. We went into Iraq. We shouldn’t have gone into Iraq. We shouldn’t have gotten out the way we got out. The world is a total mess.”

Trump immigration and Pakistanis

According to the draft decree, Trump intends to halve the number of refugees entering the United States during the 2017 fiscal year, which ends on September 30.

While the administration of former president Barack Obama had set a target of accepting more than 100,000 refugees this year, the Trump administration aims to slash that to 50,000.

 

[Zibago]

If this happens you can be absolutely sure that Pakistan will be on the next list.

It will be a good thing if you ask me we need to slowly walk away from US we just need a working relation with them

If US bans pak visas... best answere would be to test an icbm

Best reply would be in Afghanistan

 

[BetterPakistan]

Anyway pakistan survives on us aid . Pakistan cant afford to threaten/sabotage wot

Beta, India is the biggest recipient of US aid.

period 1946-2012, has given India the largest amount of economic assistance, while providing Israel the greatest quantity of military assistance over the same interval, according to data compiled by USAID.

Top 10 countries receiving US economic assistance from 1946-2012

1. India: $65.1bn
2. Israel: $65bn
3. United Kingdom: $63.6bn
4. Egypt: $59.6bn
5. Pakistan: $44.4bn
6. Vietnam: $41bn
7. Iraq: $39.7bn
8. South Korea: $36.5bn
9. Germany: $33.3bn
10. France: $31bn

@Ross Geller the world is not that much simpler which is taught to you in India. Grow up and kindly don't believe on your media, they are always the wrong guys. Don't you know what trump says about media?

Now India will again receive the biggest share in US Aid because of their new president. Enjoy biggest beggers.

@somebozo kaisa diya is indian ko?

 

[Ross Geller]

Beta, India is the biggest recipient of US aid.

period 1946-2012, has given India the largest amount of economic assistance, while providing Israel the greatest quantity of military assistance over the same interval, according to data compiled by USAID.

The US also gave Israel the greatest total foreign assistance over the 66-year period, at $199 billion.



@Ross Geller the world is not that much simpler which is taught to you in India. Grow up and kindly don't believe on your media, they are always the wrong guys. Don't you know what trump says about media?

Now India will again receive the biggest share in US Aid because of their new president. Enjoy biggest beggers.

@somebozo kaisa diya is indian ko?

Tu khush reh bas

 

[BetterPakistan]

Tu khush reh bas

Mai hamesha khush rehta hun bs tu j daily indian tv par daikhta hay woh sahi nhi hota

 

[Ross Geller]

Mai hamesha khush rehta hun bs tu j daily indian tv par daikhta hay woh sahi nhi hota

Ok , tu apni jagah khush mai apni jagah.
Indian news channels to hain hi chutiye

 

[LeGenD]

People jumping to conclusions. And I really don't get this fetish for demise of US as if the country is some piece of paper that can be easily shredded. This entire world will perish one day. Worry about the future of yours.

More importantly, developments like the one mentioned in this thread are temporary and represent emergency measures. People should start using some common sense. Learn a thing or two about conflict management. Terrorist incidents continue to occur in US from time-to-time and they are adopting measures to combat it. In-fact, Pakistan should have taken a similar step years ago because the country is plagued with menace of terrorism and a large number of militants turned out to be foreigners.

Now, coming to the main point; Donald Trump is a man of his word. A slap on the face of those who were thinking that he was joking all along during his election campaign. This is the hallmark of being a true leader; he respects the sentiments of those who elect him and he delivers when he has the chance.

A large number of seasoned politicians don't have the spine to do stuff what Trump managed to in a span of just 2 days. This guy will fix America like he promised but he didn't assert that this would be a walk-in-the-park experience for him and his country. Fixing the economy is a long-term objective and jitters are expected along the way.

And Americans don't give a shit about being world policeman at personal level. This role is tainted and controversial.

 

[my2cents]

So far, every move Trump has made has been isolationist, exactly what Trump promised.

Call him whatever you want, but he seems to be keeping his word as president of the United States of America, even if his promises do more damage to the US than good.

Which of his actions are going to damage his nation?? Care to explain.

Which of these -- building the wall, limiting the h1b visas, revoking the Obama care or the latest, suspension of visa to seven muslim countries is going to harm the US??

Isolationist yes but he has not done anything that you would categorize as harming US interests.

 

[LeGenD]

In-fact, I wouldn't say isolationist because US is not ending its trade relations with other countries. It cannot do that.

Protectionist is the right word to use.

 

[mohsen]

Trump’s Muslim Immigration Executive Order: If We Bombed You, We Ban You
Zaid Jilani
January 26 2017, 1:36 a.m.

An executive order that President Trump is expected to sign shortly restricts visits and immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries: Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Yemen, and Iran.

The draft text of the order was leaked to the Huffington Post and Los Angeles Times. Titled “Protecting the Nation from Terrorist Attacks by Foreign Nationals,” it would suspend the issuance of visas for at least 30 days to most people in the seven countries while the administration revamps its vetting procedures. Most citizens of foreign countries must first obtain a visa before being allowed to enter the United States.

“In order to protect Americans, we must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes toward our country and its founding principles,” the draft reads, justifying this blanket prohibition.

The draft relies on Division O, Title II, Section 203 of the 2016 Consolidated Appropriations Act, which lays out security-related exemptions to the visa waiver program, to derive that list of seven countries. In the 2016 law, Iraq and Syria are explicitly listed, Iran and Sudan are included as state sponsors of terrorism, and Libya, Somalia, and Yemen are in the “area of concern” as designated by the Department of Homeland Security.

What all seven countries also have in common is that the United States government has violently intervened in them. The U.S. is currently bombing — or has bombed in the recent past — six of them. The U.S. has not bombed Iran, but has a long history of intervention including a recent cyberattack.

It’s like a twisted version of the you-break-it-you-buy-it Pottery Barn rule: If we bomb a country or help destabilize its society, we will then ban its citizens from being able to seek refuge in the United States.

Connecticut Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy explained this irony in a tweet Wednesday morning:

We bomb your country, creating a humanitarian nightmare, then lock you inside. That's a horror movie, not a foreign policy.

— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) January 25, 2017

Here’s a rundown of the countries and the U.S. interventions there:

• IRAN: Iran was the site of a 1953 coup that was assisted by the CIA. The coup brought the Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi to power — a dictator who ruled the country until his overthrow in the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Following that revolution, the United States government supported Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein’s war on Iran, even as he used chemical weapons against Iranians. In 1988, the U.S. Navy also mistakenly shot down an Iranian civilian airliner, killing all 290 people on board. More recently, Iran was subjected to one of the world’s first state-sponsored cyberattacks, as the Stuxnet virus was deployed against its nuclear program.

• IRAQ: Four presidents in a row have bombed Iraq. After a decade of brutal sanctions that primarily harmed Iraq’s civil society, rather than its government leadership, the U.S.-led invasion in 2003 has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, and the resulting destabilization has made Iraq the “world capital of terrorism.”

• LIBYA: From 1986 air strikes to the 2011 military intervention to more recent attacks against ISIS camps in Libya, the country has almost continually been a site of U.S. military actions. Some of the refugees fleeing the country have said they would rather “die at sea” than return to their country.

• SOMALIA: Somalia has been one of the focal points of the drone war, and U.S. support for the Ethiopian invasion of the country did little to help stabilize a territory that is in perpetual humanitarian crisis.

• SUDAN: In 1998, the U.S. blew up the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical plant, which manufactured over half of the country’s pharmaceutical products. Although the attack was supposedly aimed at Osama bin Laden’s terrorist network, no such link ever emerged.

• SYRIA: The U.S. and other countries have been supporting rebel groups in Syria’s civil war for years. The U.S. is also targeting ISIS and other extreme groups in an extensive air-war campaign. Violence on all sides has led to millions of Syrians fleeing the country, fomenting the worst refugee crisis in modern times.

• YEMEN: Yemen is another ground zero for the drone war. The U.S. has also played a functional role in supporting the Saudi-led intervention into the country’s civil war, which has left over 10,000 dead and has millions facing starvation — and led to a resurgence of anti-American terrorist groups that the drone war was supposed to be curtailing.

And consider that Iran, where al Qaeda, ISIS, and other anti-American terrorist organizations have no significant foothold, is included — but Saudi Arabia, where 15 of the 9/11 hijackers came from and which has been a funding source for extremist groups, is not included.

 

[BetterPakistan]

Ok , tu apni jagah khush mai apni jagah.
Indian news channels to hain hi chutiye

Yar teri Indian news channels wali baat nai khush kr dia...

 

[That Guy]

Which of his actions are going to damage his nation?? Care to explain.

Which of these -- building the wall, limiting the h1b visas, revoking the Obama care or the latest, suspension of visa to seven muslim countries is going to harm the US??

Isolationist yes but he has not done anything that you would categorize as harming US interests.

Actually, he's already done two major damages already. Not only has he caused tensions between Mexico and the US, with the border wall, he's planning on taxing Mexican imports to pay for that wall; This is not what investors want to see, and will likewise also be implemented by Mexico, in a tit for tat reaction: In other words, the US would lose face, because it would be treating a close ally with disdain (which would weaken US relevance with its allies), and would basically accomplish nothing (believe me, the wall isn't going to stop illegal flow of immigrants). Globally, it would hurt America's policies towards a number of issues, from Syria, to Iran.

The second thing he's already suggesting that he'll soon implement is the reinstatement of torture, and the UK has already warned that if Trump reinstates such a policy, the UK would be forced to stop all intelligence sharing and joint military operations, with US forces.

Let's not even get into the issues of revoking Obamacare without a replacement, and banning refugees and how that will affect US stances around the globe.

 

[T-72M1]

Actually, he's already done two major damages already. Not only has he caused tensions between Mexico and the US, with the border wall, he's planning on taxing Mexican imports to pay for that wall; This is not what investors want to see, and will likewise also be implemented by Mexico, in a tit for tat reaction

These are just negotiations on funding the wall, nothing is settled yet but he's going to build it anyway.

Investors seem happy with Trump so far:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...-markets-reignite-trump-infrastructure-rally/

In other words, the US would lose face, because it would be treating a close ally with disdain (which would weaken US relevance with its allies), and would basically accomplish nothing (believe me, the wall isn't going to stop illegal flow of immigrants).

Since when is Mexico a 'close ally' of the US ? neighbours, yes, 'close ally', not so much.

How does him wanting border security, of which the wall is just one part, "weaken relevance" with their other allies ? What business do other countries/allies have wrt the US securing their borders ?

Globally, it would hurt America's policies towards a number of issues, from Syria, to Iran.

The wall has nothing to do with issues like Iran or Syria, at most it'll help stop people from there illegally entering the US through the border with Mexico but those are completely separate issues for the most part.

The second thing he's already suggesting that he'll soon implement is the reinstatement of torture, and the UK has already warned that if Trump reinstates such a policy, the UK would be forced to stop all intelligence sharing and joint military operations, with US forces.

He's deliberately making statements like "fight fire with fire" to let the enemy know he's not playing games. There is no way the UK stops intel sharing and joint anti terror ops over that statement, btw, he made clear that he's going to defer to his Generals on it (who, at least publicly, have said that they wont do it) but personally he would be ok with torturing jihadists.

Let's not even get into the issues of revoking Obamacare without a replacement, and banning refugees and how that will affect US stances around the globe.

dunno about the healthcare thing but how does banning refugees from Syria etc affect US stances (what does that even mean?) around the world ?

Germany, Sweden and other western European countries have suffered greatly because of their open border refugee policies, I thought the temporary ban on them is just plain common sense.