Post supernatural experiences of yours and fallows.

[jamahir]

Thats beside point. This thread is about supernatural experiences.

Then my next post will be that.

BTW, if you doubt/deny one Surah, what stops you from doubting the whole of it. It is okay to be unaware of something but once being made aware it is more suitable to accept your ignorance and learn.

So you are sticking to your point that jinns exist??

Well, it is against forum rules to discuss religion so I opt out.

 

[Hamza913]

I am Muslim. There are no jinns

Quran says there are, so denying that counts as apostasy.

Might wanna take it back now.

 

[Shajida Khan]

So you are sticking to your point that jinns exist??

Who the hell am I to have any point in this. Anyways, I have said too much.

 

[PakSword]

Angels have a different duty. these are different, I dont have any quranic references, if you find any let me know also.

You guys want information on Muwwakils?

 

[Signalian]

Bro if they are not Jinns then who they are?
Only angels are created with noor.

There are kinds of Jinnat....

Marid,
Ghoul...Ghoul e biyabani
Ifreet ... the most powerful
Hamzaad

Etc

The ones you mentioned are different. for example, hamzaad can be referred as anyone's clone or a powerful spiritual being of own self. It sometimes shows itself in the form of a shadow.

This other noori being, moakil, which i mentioned is related to chilla done by someone. Like amil's do chilla, e.g standing in water for 40 nights and reciting certain surah or ayat xyz number of times. So after 40 nights, what do they achieve? That surah or ayat has moakils attached with it and they have a head moakil, a leader. That Amil has to undertake the submission of the head moakil to get control of all other moakils. Reciting that ayat or surah is their diet. The more he recites, the more they come closer to him and stay near him and become stronger. After 40 nights, he follows a certain amal or properly gives a khatam with 2 nafal and dua and gets control of the moakils. The next day he advertises his add as, mehboob aap k kadmon mein, and his shop starts doing business and he gets work done through these beings. That's one way of looking at these creatures.

Then there are cases who recite a certain surah everyday like surah yasin and make it a habit in the form of the chilla. After a few weeks or months or years, they may feel heavy headed or start having certain pain in knees etc or even feel someone is following them while they walk or someone is inside the room but there is no one there. Due to excessive repetition of same surah, they do make these creatures come close and get stronger but dont have the knowledge how to control such creatures. This is why its best to recite Koran from start and end at last and repeat same process as much time as possible.

When an amil tells a client to recite something in repetition, he already has done chilla of that surah and knows how to control and make use of moakils, so no issue arises here. What most greedy amils do is that, they take hold one moakil and then make him a slave for life and then start getting work from him.

I think own spirit and connection should be strong enough to do everything though in spiritual life its common to across many types of spiritual creatures never heard or seen before.

You guys want information on Muwwakils?

Nai i dont, thank you i am not interested, what i know about them is enough for me. My interest is Ishq and spirit, not spiritual creatures.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Bro muwwakil is same as working hard fornshayateen, do shirk and finally these evil magicians get a jinn to help them. And to fool common people they give it a mysterious sounding name i.e MUWAKKIL

You guys want information on Muwwakils?

 

[Ocean]

You guys want information on Muwwakils?

Muwakkils could be both jinns or angels.

Btw many years back i also experienced sleep paralysis tho later it totally went away. I remmebr i would feel my eyes are open and one occassion ifeel i even saw a black shadow forming in room. Also i would feel badly gripped then i would struggle to wake up and i would find myself screaming out Allahs name or saying Allahu akbar in that paralyzed state and then with so much struggle iwould wake uo and i would feel so dizzy it would be as if something is trying to take over my mind and tryong to put me back to sleep and it felt like induced sleep not natural sleep but i would feel NO NO YOU DONT HAVE TO SLEEP STAY AWAKE STAY AWAKE , and then after some while it will be fine. After quran recitation it went away

 

[Signalian]

Muwakkils could be both jinns or angels.

Btw many years back i also experienced sleep paralysis tho later it totally went away. I remmebr i would feel my eyes are open and one occassion ifeel i even saw a black shadow forming in room. Also i would feel badly gripped then i would struggle to wake up and i would find myself screaming out Allahs name or saying Allahu akbar in that paralyzed state and then with so much struggle iwould wake uo and i would feel so dizzy it would be as if something is trying to take over my mind and tryong to put me back to sleep and it felt like induced sleep not natural sleep but i would feel NO NO YOU DONT HAVE TO SLEEP STAY AWAKE STAY AWAKE , and then after some while it will be fine. After quran recitation it went away

One of the symptoms of black magic.

 

[Ocean]

One of the symptoms of black magic.

Lekin ab nahi hota. Some years back it was frequent and very very painful then it went away to almost just once a year . Even now if i ever start getting such dream i suddenly feel in my dream that there is some protective shield which prevents any harm to me and i dont get sleep paralysis as in i get a strong feel kay koi cheez hai jo protect kar rahi hai maybe some random feelings

 

[PakSword]

Bro muwwakil is same as working hard fornshayateen, do shirk and finally these evil magicians get a jinn to help them. And to fool common people they give it a mysterious sounding name i.e MUWAKKIL

No, its a little complicated bro..

First of all, taking any kind of help from any kind of Jinn is not permitted..

They are good jinns.. but.. there is more to the story

Those who have knowledge about this subject say that Muwakkils are jinns, who think themselves as self appointed guardians of Quran.. They consider themselves as Angels (lolz).. and whoever has contact with them, they tell him that they are angels.. in fact they are jinns..

Each one of them continuously recite different Surah of Quran.. They think that reciting the Surah means protecting the words.. (well it is true in a sense because Hafizeen are also protectors in a way). So whoever recites the Surah continuously, they become friends with them.. Then they talk to them and tell the humans to ask them what they want.. Mostly people do wazifa of certain Surah to achieve this objective.. Once they become friends, these humans ask them for a lot of help.. including killing the jinns which are sent by Magicians..

But overtime, these jinn become possessive about the relationship.. So if a person stops some good acts, they force him to do it.. For example, if a person decides to go to a night club, they create such circumstances which are sometimes too dangerous.. If a person doesn't go to mosque for prayers, they force him to go.. and that's why the life becomes very difficult..

They are self appointed extremist jinns.. And getting any kind of help from them is not recommended..

Nai i dont, thank you i am not interested, what i know about them is enough for me. My interest is Ishq and spirit, not spiritual creatures.

Good!

 

[Signalian]

Lekin ab nahi hota. Some years back it was frequent and very very painful then it went away to almost just once a year . Even now if i ever start getting such dream i suddenly feel in my dream that there is some protective shield which prevents any harm to me and i dont get sleep paralysis as in i get a strong feel kay koi cheez hai jo protect kar rahi hai maybe some random feelings

Thats why i said one of the symptoms, because in our culture, even if evil eye hits people, they consider it as magic done on them through relatives.

 

[PakSword]

Continuing from above post about Muwakkils, there are some self appointed protectors of Islam in humans as well..

And everyone of us has met them at least once in our lifetime..

@Signalian @Ahmet Pasha @Ocean

 

[Shajida Khan]

When asking for help or calling from the unseen, AFAIK, you should ask only Allah. In any other case, Jinn, Hamzaad, Mowakil, you never know who or what is 'helping' you and with what intention. This is why a Muslim should remain away from all other unseen things leaving Allah.

 

[Ocean]

Thats why i said one of the symptoms, because in our culture, even if evil eye hits people, they consider it as magic done on them through relatives.

But lets accept in pakistan its also common for relatives to get magicians cast black apells on relatives and people do suffer. I know in some cases its just suspicion magar these things do hapoen quite a lot too. Unfortunately despite pakistan calling itself an islamic republic our gov allows these magician practices to flourish. These magician carry out chillas im graveyards and its very common in pakistan to find old graves dug out and some parts of bones missing cause these magicins take out body bones or skulls for their spells

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

If that were true then it would've been ordered by Allah through quran or Hadis qudisn. Or advised by Prophet Muhammad(SAW) himself. Or atleast the sahaba or the tabeeieen or tabi tabeeieen would have performed such acactions. But what we see on careful analyzation is on the contrary.
This is a very common and dangerous misconception that Islam has a hidden knowledge within it. And can only be unlocked by for example reading a certain surah 1000 times while sitting in a derelict cave. Or saying Allah hoo(which doesnt really mean anything) 10000 times sitting next to a river.
Deen isnvery simple.
There is Allah azzawajal, his prophet, quran, 5x salah, hajj, roza, angels, other prophets and last day.
Simple man. You need to od something for a 1000 times to fulfill basic requirements of a jannati or to get unlock an extra level of spirituality.

No, its a little complicated bro..

First of all, taking any kind of help from any kind of Jinn is not permitted..

They are good jinns.. but.. there is more to the story

Those who have knowledge about this subject say that Muwakkils are jinns, who think themselves as self appointed guardians of Quran.. They consider themselves as Angels (lolz).. and whoever has contact with them, they tell him that they are angels.. in fact they are jinns..

Each one of them continuously recite different Surah of Quran.. They think that reciting the Surah means protecting the words.. (well it is true in a sense because Hafizeen are also protectors in a way). So whoever recites the Surah continuously, they become friends with them.. Then they talk to them and tell the humans to ask them what they want.. Mostly people do wazifa of certain Surah to achieve this objective.. Once they become friends, these humans ask them for a lot of help.. including killing the jinns which are sent by Magicians..

But overtime, these jinn become possessive about the relationship.. So if a person stops some good acts, they force him to do it.. For example, if a person decides to go to a night club, they create such circumstances which are sometimes too dangerous.. If a person doesn't go to mosque for prayers, they force him to go.. and that's why the life becomes very difficult..

They are self appointed extremist jinns.. And getting any kind of help from them is not recommended..



Good!

If it was truly an Islamic republic then all of these scum of the Earth magicians would have been lined up and killed by firing squads.

Atleast that is what was one of the priorities when Hazrat Omar(ra) took power. Also what Hazrat Suleiman alayisalam did.
In the sharia punishment for a magician is to be beheaded.

But lets accept in pakistan its also common for relatives to get magicians cast black apells on relatives and people do suffer. I know in some cases its just suspicion magar these things do hapoen quite a lot too. Unfortunately despite pakistan calling itself an islamic republic our gov allows these magician practices to flourish. These magician carry out chillas im graveyards and its very common in pakistan to find old graves dug out and some parts of bones missing cause these magicins take out body bones or skulls for their spells