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Post Khaleda era for Bangladesh

After Hasina there is no one to lead Awami League but after Khaleda there is Tarek.

I think post Hasina-Khaleda era there will be huge anarchy in Bangladesh. Military invasion or Indian invasion is likely if Tarek Zia doesn't become prime minister but he will turn Bangladesh into Banglastan. :cray:
Awami League has a seasoned group of people who actually lead(Sheikh Hasina is the part of a leadership)...after her if the party stays together the leadership will be the back-seat drivers...they can have a show leader at the front(could be Joy)...problem with BNP is there is an anti-Tareque faction inside BNP that has a high possibility of leaving BNP if Tareque gets power...BNP as we know it will end with Khaleda.
 
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When Khaleda was dragged out in a single dress from her house by court. :cray:

 
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I have come to this forum for several years. I have expressed my opinions and exchanged views with many. In the process I got somewhat carried away and started taking sides in our country politics. At times, I said many unkind words and took part in partisan bickering. Later I have come to regret some of my words and expressed opinions.

We have seen an Army take over a few years ago in 2007. We saw minus 2 formula then, which did not work. Sheikh Hasina came to power after the Army rule in an election in 2009. Then we saw a lot of changes. Lately there was an election in 2014 in which BNP/Jamat did not participate. We saw a lot of political disturbance since then, but things have quieted down now.

We saw that BNP/Jamat have pretty much lost its street power due to continued onslaught by the country's law enforcement agencies on their activists. We also saw how India has played a supportive role for AL to keep this party in power.

I open this thread to discuss with fellow forum members about future of Bangladesh politics, specially about the role of opposition political parties. I have some ideas of my own. I would like to share these ideas, hear ideas from others and open a discussion about the future.

The first idea I would like to discuss is the defeat of Khaleda Zia and how it may affect the future politics of Bangladesh. Since 1991, we have seen that both Khaleda and Hasina have been kind of evenly matched in their political muscle. The result have been parties led by them alternately being elected. But since this latest election, for the first time, Hasina has been in power for two consecutive terms. So this means that we are now at a new phase.

Although since 1991, we officially had democracy (we still do, officially), but all of us know that politics in Bangladesh have never really been fully democratic. Both major poltical parties are run by political dynastic families. These parties themselves have never been democratic in their internal affairs. And every time a party goes to power, they essentially operate like authoritarian dictators and start working to undermine their opponents as much as possible.

That said, since 1991 till a few years ago, the opposing parties did not cross some unwritten boundaries and had a mutual understanding not to cross these boundaries. In last 2 years, these boundaries I believe were done away with and the old rules were no longer followed. There could be many reasons for this. Ever since the killing of Sheikh Mujib in 1975, Indian influence in Bangladesh politics was not very significant. I believe what changed recently was that India became confident enough about its influence within Bangladesh to openly back AL and gave them a signal to break free from the earlier cycle. May be it took all these years for India to work and rebuild its influence within Bangladesh to reach this point.

In this new phase, starting with the latest election, with Indian help and support, AL led by Hasina have taken over reigns of power in Bangladesh. I believe we no longer have even the "imperfect democracy" we used to have earlier. I think many of us could not recognize this new phase at first and were shocked to see the new reality. But now that we know the new reality, how can we adjust and make the best of it, for the future of Bangladesh and its 160 million people? I would like to make the following observations and proposals:

1. Khaleda Zia and her son Tareq Zia are pretty much finished in Bangladesh politics for the foreseeable future

2. The political polarization of Bangladeshi population into two opposing camps have helped outsiders to gain influence and make infiltration and inroad into our country

3. Hasina and her son Joy are the new unofficial dynastic rulers of Bangladesh and they will remain in power for the foreseeable future

4. Bangladeshi people must become used to the above facts on the ground and consider that uniting under one leader and party will eventually make that leader more effective, make them less worried about opposition from within the country and thus give them greater freedom not to depend on outside powers as much

So with this train of thought, I would like to propose that, for the sake of greater national interest, the opposition party workers and activists should switch their loyalty to Hasina led AL and thus make political disturbance a thing of the past for Bangladesh. Sure we may not have democracy for now and for the foreseeable future, but having democracy is not the be all and end all specially for an underdeveloped poor country like Bangladesh. Without political disturbance the country can achieve growth more quickly and easily. One party system worked wonders for development in many Asian Tiger economies and in China.

About India, since India and AL are very close, this means that Bangladesh relations with India will remain strong for the foreseeable future and this may not be a bad thing for Bangladesh. This could be a opportunity to resolve all outstanding issues with our closest neighbor nation and thus make this relationship work for Bangladeshi economy and people.

Considering the prevailing global situation, this is also the time to take stock of Islamic militancy and extremism problem within our Muslim population. We need to make a comprehensive study of all Islamic organizations within Bangladesh to see the ideas and ideologies that has made inroads within Bangladesh. Traditionally 99.9% of our Muslim population belong to the tolerant Hanafi Sunni sect. We need to find out the extent of spread of Wahhabism, Salafism as well as political Islam or Islamism. All of these are intimately tied with extremism and terrorism. Only through careful study we will be able to find the extent of infiltration of these ideas and then we will be able to take counter measures to stop the spread and eventually remove these toxic and deviant ideas from our Muslim population.

Its a pragmatic and objective approach which many of us PDF members lack. Its not really right or wrong approach, but selecting the best approach considering given situation which may not be " right" in absolute terms.

As far I studied, Bengalis from both sides have been too emotional since long and never followed a pragmatic approach in political matter. As a result , nation is divided marginalized in the subcontinent. I will mention two game changing events due to absence of this pragmatism-

a. Bengal was centre of Indian politics and economy during British rule. But Bengalis started violent anti British protest and as a result Indian capital shifted from Calcutta to Delhi. Down fall of Bengal started. Fighting against foreign imperialists was a right approach but not a pragmatic one for the Bengalis as a nation.

b. 1947 East Bengal started violent protest for Pakistan. Instead if they go for a separate state in India with greater autonomy, it would be more pragmatic approach. Like southern India states East/west Bengal , Bihar, Assam could have formed a powerful political and economic block within India and Bengalis ( east +west states) would have 100+ seats in parliament. Eastern block would have been a major force if not controlling Indian economy and politics and together could get bigger pound of flesh. Due to departure of east Bengal, power centre shifted to North (West) India and eastern India is now marginalized within India.

Anyway, I do not have big hope for your western brothers but hope BD will take a pragmatic approach and take best decision for its progress as you said and not waste time in search of a right decision.

I read your earlier posts and know you are not a supporter of the approach what you said here. But appreciate and congratulate you to go beyond your personal likings and propose a most pragmatic approach as per your belief. Many of us cannot do this.
 
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I have come to this forum for several years. I have expressed my opinions and exchanged views with many. In the process I got somewhat carried away and started taking sides in our country politics. At times, I said many unkind words and took part in partisan bickering. Later I have come to regret some of my words and expressed opinions.

We have seen an Army take over a few years ago in 2007. We saw minus 2 formula then, which did not work. Sheikh Hasina came to power after the Army rule in an election in 2009. Then we saw a lot of changes. Lately there was an election in 2014 in which BNP/Jamat did not participate. We saw a lot of political disturbance since then, but things have quieted down now.

We saw that BNP/Jamat have pretty much lost its street power due to continued onslaught by the country's law enforcement agencies on their activists. We also saw how India has played a supportive role for AL to keep this party in power.

I open this thread to discuss with fellow forum members about future of Bangladesh politics, specially about the role of opposition political parties. I have some ideas of my own. I would like to share these ideas, hear ideas from others and open a discussion about the future.

The first idea I would like to discuss is the defeat of Khaleda Zia and how it may affect the future politics of Bangladesh. Since 1991, we have seen that both Khaleda and Hasina have been kind of evenly matched in their political muscle. The result have been parties led by them alternately being elected. But since this latest election, for the first time, Hasina has been in power for two consecutive terms. So this means that we are now at a new phase.

Although since 1991, we officially had democracy (we still do, officially), but all of us know that politics in Bangladesh have never really been fully democratic. Both major poltical parties are run by political dynastic families. These parties themselves have never been democratic in their internal affairs. And every time a party goes to power, they essentially operate like authoritarian dictators and start working to undermine their opponents as much as possible.

That said, since 1991 till a few years ago, the opposing parties did not cross some unwritten boundaries and had a mutual understanding not to cross these boundaries. In last 2 years, these boundaries I believe were done away with and the old rules were no longer followed. There could be many reasons for this. Ever since the killing of Sheikh Mujib in 1975, Indian influence in Bangladesh politics was not very significant. I believe what changed recently was that India became confident enough about its influence within Bangladesh to openly back AL and gave them a signal to break free from the earlier cycle. May be it took all these years for India to work and rebuild its influence within Bangladesh to reach this point.

In this new phase, starting with the latest election, with Indian help and support, AL led by Hasina have taken over reigns of power in Bangladesh. I believe we no longer have even the "imperfect democracy" we used to have earlier. I think many of us could not recognize this new phase at first and were shocked to see the new reality. But now that we know the new reality, how can we adjust and make the best of it, for the future of Bangladesh and its 160 million people? I would like to make the following observations and proposals:

1. Khaleda Zia and her son Tareq Zia are pretty much finished in Bangladesh politics for the foreseeable future

2. The political polarization of Bangladeshi population into two opposing camps have helped outsiders to gain influence and make infiltration and inroad into our country

3. Hasina and her son Joy are the new unofficial dynastic rulers of Bangladesh and they will remain in power for the foreseeable future

4. Bangladeshi people must become used to the above facts on the ground and consider that uniting under one leader and party will eventually make that leader more effective, make them less worried about opposition from within the country and thus give them greater freedom not to depend on outside powers as much

So with this train of thought, I would like to propose that, for the sake of greater national interest, the opposition party workers and activists should switch their loyalty to Hasina led AL and thus make political disturbance a thing of the past for Bangladesh. Sure we may not have democracy for now and for the foreseeable future, but having democracy is not the be all and end all specially for an underdeveloped poor country like Bangladesh. Without political disturbance the country can achieve growth more quickly and easily. One party system worked wonders for development in many Asian Tiger economies and in China.

About India, since India and AL are very close, this means that Bangladesh relations with India will remain strong for the foreseeable future and this may not be a bad thing for Bangladesh. This could be a opportunity to resolve all outstanding issues with our closest neighbor nation and thus make this relationship work for Bangladeshi economy and people.

Considering the prevailing global situation, this is also the time to take stock of Islamic militancy and extremism problem within our Muslim population. We need to make a comprehensive study of all Islamic organizations within Bangladesh to see the ideas and ideologies that has made inroads within Bangladesh. Traditionally 99.9% of our Muslim population belong to the tolerant Hanafi Sunni sect. We need to find out the extent of spread of Wahhabism, Salafism as well as political Islam or Islamism. All of these are intimately tied with extremism and terrorism. Only through careful study we will be able to find the extent of infiltration of these ideas and then we will be able to take counter measures to stop the spread and eventually remove these toxic and deviant ideas from our Muslim population.

Surprized to read such an article from a person who is living in USA, the epitome f democracy. Democracy is not a fight between 2 political parties but its an ability to have your own thoughts and and have the freedom to express it. Its about maturity to respect opposing opinions. Just because BNP and Jamatis did not participate in last elections, it does not make BD undemocratic. BNP/Jamatis actually exercised their democratic right to boycott the elections. 2019 they will have another opportunity. It does not matter which party wins or only one party keeps winning, its actually strengthening the roots of democracy. It takes time for people and politicians to get used to democracy.

Secondly, international influence is a global phenomenon. Its fashionable in South Asia to resent Indian influence and consider being sold off to China or USA as an expression of sovereignty. Nations must realize that their national interest is supreme and diplomatic alignments are done only for national interests. During Cold war era India's defence partner was Soviet Union while her biggest business partner was USA. Emotions are used only to entice domestic voters and not for real politik.

It is upto Bangladeshis to see whether they have progressed or regressed in post khaleda era. They have to see, if they have lost or gained in all these years. They have to decide their future course.
 
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Its likely that tide will turn toward Sheikh Rehana's lineage. Radwan Mujib Siddiq can take over in future. Notably his sister Tulip Siddiq made her road in UK parliament by her own.


Look who is beside Hasina and Modi

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He is still in the family, I believe Bangladesh have huge young people so there should be many talented young leaders coming from ordinary families, the most important thing to be a politician is to be famous first. They should find ways to be famous.

By the way, how old is this guy now....?
 
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if khaleda goes away some one else will fill in the vacuum. AL itself might split if single party rule goes for too long.
BD is doing well economically now and a new bench mark is being set . As such ppl will continue to expect the same. The moment economy slows it will be daggers for AL. Nothing lasts for long.
When Khaleda was dragged out in a single dress from her house by court. :cray:

we have seen too many such incidents in india. just pass it off. they will try to fool the ppl emotionally when every thing else fails.
 
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Anybody hacked Kalu Miah? :shock:

He probably attempting to get back into the good graces of the BAL regime (maybe an upcoming visit?)...I wouldn't be surprised if hes already on a watchlist though....and if he 180's yet again pretty soon.

He is one of those weaklings who believes Bangladesh must always be subservient to some nation...i.e either India or Pakistan....and is incapable of handling its own geopolitics and foreign affairs.

Quite an amusing inconsistent character as a result :lol:.
 
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He is still in the family, I believe Bangladesh have huge young people so there should be many talented young leaders coming from ordinary families, the most important thing to be a politician is to be famous first. They should find ways to be famous.

By the way, how old is this guy now....?

He is like 35. Its shameful for us now as leadership is handed over through sperm. But for a time being we have to tolerate power between elite educated class. Slowly a strong democratic process will grow. Young talented people doesnt mean anything here if they are from poor background. Last time after Zia's assassination Begum Zia and his sons had no proper clothing and house. But uneducated Tareq Zia with his talent under shadow of Khaleda became a big business tycoon looting much of country. This is how these poverty stricken people do when gets power. Shameful indeed.

Radwan Siddiq | LinkedIn
 
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He is like 35. Its shameful for us now as leadership is handed over through sperm. But for a time being we have to tolerate power between elite educated class. Slowly a strong democratic process will grow. Young talented people doesnt mean anything here if they are from poor background. Last time after Zia's assassination Begum Zia and his sons had no proper clothing and house. But uneducated Tareq Zia with his talent under shadow of Khaleda became a big business tycoon looting much of country. This is how these poverty stricken people do when gets power. Shameful indeed.

Radwan Siddiq | LinkedIn

Is he working in England (that research institution)....?

I have seen his English interview on Al-Jazeera, quite articulate person as well, yup quite prospective.

Maybe he joined PDF either like us here. Any suspect yet....? :D
 
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The very basis thing that we are Bengali is controversial. Majority of us in the true sense are not Bengali. You just look 200 hundred years back, people used to identify themselves as Syed, Afghani, Turkey, Persian, Abyssinian etc. Bengali was their "Kutho Bhasa". In the "Endar Mahal", they used read, "Arbi, Fersi and Urdu".

I agree, Bangladeshis' claim about being Bengalis is always controversial and highly questionable, that's why I always proposed that only we the Indian Bengalis of West Bengal, Assam, Tripura, etc. should be considered as real Bengalis, Bangladeshis should be known as Bangladeshis only, not Bengalis,. This will settle lot of confusions and help clearly differentiate between the Bengalis and the Bangladeshis. :)

Surprized to read such an article from a person who is living in USA, the epitome f democracy. Democracy is not a fight between 2 political parties but its an ability to have your own thoughts and and have the freedom to express it. Its about maturity to respect opposing opinions. Just because BNP and Jamatis did not participate in last elections, it does not make BD undemocratic. BNP/Jamatis actually exercised their democratic right to boycott the elections. 2019 they will have another opportunity. It does not matter which party wins or only one party keeps winning, its actually strengthening the roots of democracy. It takes time for people and politicians to get used to democracy.

Secondly, international influence is a global phenomenon. Its fashionable in South Asia to resent Indian influence and consider being sold off to China or USA as an expression of sovereignty. Nations must realize that their national interest is supreme and diplomatic alignments are done only for national interests. During Cold war era India's defence partner was Soviet Union while her biggest business partner was USA. Emotions are used only to entice domestic voters and not for real politik.

It is upto Bangladeshis to see whether they have progressed or regressed in post khaleda era. They have to see, if they have lost or gained in all these years. They have to decide their future course.

He probably attempting to get back into the good graces of the BAL regime (maybe an upcoming visit?)...I wouldn't be surprised if hes already on a watchlist though....and if he 180's yet again pretty soon.

He is one of those weaklings who believes Bangladesh must always be subservient to some nation...i.e either India or Pakistan....and is incapable of handling its own geopolitics and foreign affairs.

Quite an amusing inconsistent character as a result :lol:.

Another excellent post by @Razia Sultana :tup: You should have become a TTA long back, but then.....!

Btw, a year ago the OP was of the opinion that Bangladesh is incapable of being a sovereign nation and it is destined to be a vassal state of one country or another, and being a Chinese vassal state is better than being an Indian vassal state for Bangladesh. He was also of the opinion that China should buy out the 'Bangladeshi mercenary army' to eliminate Sheikh Hasina and take control of Bangladesh. He had written long notes on these ideas.

And then the Bangladeshis blame me for trolling them! :(

Anybody hacked Kalu Miah? :shock:

I think Modi's foreign policy decisions concerning Bangladesh has confused him utterly!! :D
 
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I agree, Bangladeshis' claim about being Bengalis is always controversial and highly questionable, that's why I always proposed that only we the Indian Bengalis of West Bengal, Assam, Tripura, etc. should be considered as real Bengalis, Bangladeshis should be known as Bangladeshis only, not Bengalis,. This will settle lot of confusions and help clearly differentiate between the Bengalis and the Bangladeshis. :)

To claim Bengali you have to show the source why you claim yourself a Bengali. Bengalis are the people of the land of Bhanga. And that Bhanga is still in BD. The people surrounded by Padma Meghna sunderban and some other small and big rivers on west sides are real Bengali. More precisely the Faridpur area people. Later Muslim invaders and British started to name all historical places known as Bengal we know. So why you guys want our name which isnt your part? Its like Africans migrated to Europe million years ago still calling themselves African instead of European.

Vanga - Banglapedia
 
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So why you guys want our name which isnt your part?

Because of your massive vocal Bangistan brigade :D. You will have to prove to us for another 10 to 20 years that you are truly ambassadors of the Bengali culture....after what has happened during BNP rule etc.

If such things return, sorry you are not Bengalis and will not be recognised as such overall by those that have always 100% consistently espoused Bengali culture and society (in India).

I mean there are even Bangladeshi individuals here claiming your national anthem is too "Hindu influenced blah blah".

1971 was a good move to get the ball rolling, but Bangladesh needs more years of maturity and development behind it before it can be properly seen as genuinely Bengali.

Just my opinion of course.
 
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