Possible new terror attack in London unfolding.

[CBU-105]

Are you Muslim or Hindu?

No not all salafi are like this ... way off base

Every single one of them is an incident waiting to happen. We know they are literalists who aspire to live the way they did back in 7th century arabia. We know their favourite hadiths and passages, all you need to do is read the texts to find out what's in their mind.

Every second of life in the west must be absolute torture for these guys, no wonder they keep snapping. Bars on every street, women who dress how they want to, a secular culture.. just horrible.

 

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Every single one of them is an incident waiting to happen. We know they are literalists who aspire to live the way they did back in 7th century arabia. We know their favourite hadiths and passages, all you need to do is read the texts to find out what's in their mind.

Every second of life in the west must be absolute torture for these guys, no wonder they keep snapping. Bars on every street, women who dress how they want to, a secular culture.. just horrible.

Well a Hindu who doesn't know anything...

Khawarji are an offshoot of salafi or wahabis they practise tekfiri... big difference.

I wouldn't expect a Hindu from knowing anything

 

[CBU-105]

Well a Hindu who doesn't know anything...

Khawarji are an offshoot of salafi or wahabis they practise tekfiri... big difference.

I wouldn't expect a Hindu from knowing anything

semantics, but I can play along.

Khwarij were in the 7th century.

These guys are your modern day wahabis/salafi, islamic supremacists essentially.

It's like a grasshopper to locust transformation when they suddenly snap, it is latent within all of them, waiting for a chance to come out, but the mindset is the same.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Can British change the law or add another laws?
I mean, how stupid is that watching your youth poisoned by these radical people?

What have your goverment do so far to change the laws?

Obviously this attack not going to be the last.

Yes I'm aware of that bro. However, it's hard to enact new stringent laws that might be deemed "too harsh" or controversial. This might used by these extremists as well, as they can easily use the excuse of "evil western governments" are targeting muslims and passing "anti Islamic" laws. You know how good these people are when it comes to turning anything that comes from the West as evil and aimed at Islam/muslims. So such laws might be used to furtger their propaganda and brainwashing of muslim youths in Britain even more.

This is an excuse. You wont be allow to open schools asking students to shout hail Hitler without being thrown into jail.

Lol Well, you do have a point. However, the two are different. Society all over the West is well aware of the scars of the Nazis, and laws relating to this had been reacted decades ago after WWII, compared to islamic extremism/terrorism in the West which increased sharply just less than 2 decades ago. So society here needs time to adjust to this relatively new menace.

Every second of life in the west must be absolute torture for these guys, no wonder they keep snapping. Bars on every street, women who dress how they want to, a secular culture.. just horrible

Lol True, and yet most of them won't leave for their "islamic state" back home.
Using their logic , we can ask what are they doing here in a first place?

 

[Banglar Bir]

Channel 4 News
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"I don't think we should be rolling out the red carpet to the President...in the circumstances where his policies go against everything we stand for."

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan criticises Donald J. Trump's response to the London terror attack.

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[mike2000 is back]

Westerners is self castrated

Depends on who you ask. Some Islamic extremists believe we are not castrated enough.

 

[CBU-105]

we can ask what are they doing here in a first place?

religious conquest.

 

[Offshore]

Yes I'm aware of that bro. However, it's hard to enact new stringent laws that might be deemed "too harsh" or controversial. This might used by these extremists as well, as they can easily use the excuse of "evil western governments" are targeting muslims and passing "anti Islamic" laws. You know how good these people are when it comes to turning anything that comes from the West as evil and aimed at Islam/muslims. So such laws might be used to furtger their propaganda and brainwashing of muslim youths in Britain even more.

Lol Well, you do have a point. However, the two are different. Society all over the West is well aware of the scars of the Nazis, and laws relating to this had been reacted decades ago after WWII, compared to islamic extremism/terrorism in the West which increased sharply just less than 2 decades ago. So society here needs time to adjust to this relatively new menace.


Lol True, and yet most of them won't leave for their "islamic state" back home.
Using their logic , we can ask what are they doing here in a first place?

When it come to business or money.. your goverment very Pro-active. But when it come to internal security, your goverment Re-active.
Maybe wait until one of your elite got killed, they will start worried and take action

Bad decision still better than doing nothing.
Time for British use iron claw to skin these radical alive.

 

[mike2000 is back]

With modern control of media and mind shaping techniques, white elites can control their population to a large degree if they want to.

The Anglo-Jewish elites have effectively de-nationalism-ized the white people.

Islamization of west is a deliberate policy, not an outcome of intrinsic growth of Islam in white man land.

What's with you and "white man". Do all Iranians think like that?

When it come to business or money.. your goverment very Pro-active. But when it come to internal security, your goverment Re-active.
Maybe wait until one of your elite got killed, they will start worried and take action

To be honest. I don't think that anything much will change even if that happened. It's more than just that. It's more to do with the way our society has evolved and changed to such an extent that it will be hard for our government to pass such stringent laws without a public backlash. So I don't see any politician or PM that is willing to risk his political career by following this route. Until there is a drastic public change in attitude in favour of such actions , nothing much will change.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Can i ask who is habouring altaf hussain who. Is responsible for thousands of murders in karachi. U sow what u reap. Go ask ur govt why are the keeping a murderer giving him citenzship?

To which they will ask why are (were) millions in Karachi voting for his party?

 

[Trisonics]

Exclusive: Police in Pakistan search former home of London Bridge terrorist Khuram Butt and question his uncle

Plain clothes officers in Pakistan have searched the former family home of London Bridge terrorist Khuram Butt and questioned one of his uncles.

The officers - believed to be from Pakistan's all-powerful Inter Service Intelligence agency, which is Pakistan's answer to M15 - visited the house in Butt's home village of Mujahidabad, around 60 miles south east of the capital, Islamabad.

Butt, 27, one of the three terrorists involved in Saturday's knife rampage at London Bridge, was raised in Britain but spent his very early years in Pakistan.

Khuram Butt, left, and Rachid Redouane
Dozens of officers also searched a restaurant in the nearby city of Jhelum, ten minutes' drive from Mujahidabad, which is thought to belong to Nasir Dar, a local businessman who is an uncle of Butt.

Butt's late father, Saif, is believed to have owned a furniture shop in Jhelum before emigrating to the UK in 1988 with his family.

Plain clothes police (far right) and residents of Khuram Butt's former family home in the village of Mujahidabad, Pakistan
Locals in Mujahidabad, a quiet hamlet in the countryside, spoke of their shock when a large detachment of plain clothes police descended on the village on Tuesday morning and asked where the Butt family home was.

Butt's father, Saif, had sold it back in 2006 to another family who have no connection to them.


Zahid Nawaz, a neighbour, told The Telegraph: "The police asked questions about where Saif and Khurrum Butt's house was. That was the first we came to know that the suspect in the terror attack in Britain belonged in this area. This is a shame for us - we don't want this area to become identified with him and his name."

A plain clothes policeman (left) and neighbours outside the gate of Khuram Butt's former family home in the village of Mujahidabad, Pakistan
Another neighbour, Mohammed Muskain, said: "I just only remember that Kuram Butt was 2-3 years old when he moved with his family to the UK. I can't believe that he could do this terrible attack because his father, Saif Butt, was a humble person, simply a businessman. I can't understand how his son would become a terrorist.

One Pakistani official told The Telegraph that British officials had said that they suspected Butt had been radicalised in the UK rather than in Pakistan, but that they were carrying out searches of family members houses in both Mujahidabad and Jhelum as a precaution.

The uncle whose restaurant was searched, Nasir Dar, is understood to have been questioned but not taken into custody.

"Our British counterparts told us they don't think he was radicalised here, and we think it is probably more likely that he was trained in Syria. But we are searching the homes of any relatives connected to him and we are tracing all telephone calls made by family members," the official said.


Jhelum lies in a part of Pakistan where many members of the British-Pakistani community originally hail from. The nearby city of Mirpur, in Pakistan-administered Kashmir, is known as "Little England" due to its large British Pakistani community.

The region's connection with Britain goes back the building of the vast Mirpur dam in the 1960s, when 5,000 locals whose villages were flooded were given work permits for Britain.

Many moved to east London, Birmingham and the textile towns of northern England, and it is claimed that anything up to 70 per cent of Britain's Pakistani community have roots in the Mirpur region.

In Mirpur, the link with Britain is clear, with shops stocking imported Tescos products, takeaways selling fish and chips, and many businesses advertising with Bradford phone numbers. Yorkshire accents can also be heard.

The disclosure that one of the London Bridge attackers had Pakistani roots will alarm officials in the country's government, who have made much efforts in recent years to rid Pakistan of its reputation as a hotbed of Islamic terror.

In the decade after 9-11, Pakistan's ISI intelligence service was accused of allowing al-Qaeda and Taliban factions to train on its own soil, using them as proxies in neighbouring Afghanistan to stop rival India getting a foothold there.

Islamabad then came under intense international pressure as such groups grew out of its control, using their bases in the country's lawless tribal areas havens to hatch plots on targets in the West.

London Mayor Sadiq Khan bows his head during a vigil in Potters Fields Park in London
Numerous terrorist volunteers from Britain's Pakistani community received training in such camps, most notoriously Mohammad Sidique Khan, the ring leader of the July 7 London bombers, who attended a camp in the tribal district of Malakand.


Islamabad also faced huge embarrassment in 2011 when the US military captured and killed Osama bin Laden at a house in the Pakistani army town of Abbottabad, where he was hiding under the noses of Pakistan's military high command.

However, since 2014, Pakistan's government has been waging what it claimed was all out war on terrorist factions. Angered by two savage Taliban attacks that followed the collapse of peace talks - including one on an army-run school in which 122 children were massacred - Pakistan's all-powerful security established launched operation Zarb-e-Azb - or "Cutting Strike".

Since, then thousands of militants have been killed or imprisoned, while terrorist strikes in Pakistan itself have dropped by around half.

As the Telegraph reported earlier this year, the army has also retaken control of once-notorious safe havens like Miranshah, where terrorists had converted houses into factories churning out bombs on an industrial scale, and also set up studios where suicide bombers could record "martyrdom" videos.

A member loyal to the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) waves an ISIL flag in Raqqa
The military claims the anti-terror operations have made Pakistan much less attractive as a training ground for British jihadi volunteers - especially compared to Syria, which is much closer to Europe.



But experts say some threats still remain.

A few training camps still exist in remote areas, and support for radical Islam remains strong among a significant minority of the country's 190 million people.


Attempts to crack down on hardline preachers in both mosques and religious schools known as madrassas have had only limited success, according to Kamal Alam, visiting fellow at London's Royal United Services Institute, a defence and security think-tank.

"Most of the terror training camps that used to exist in Pakistan are no longer there, and I think most of the radicalisation of young men of Pakistani heritage in Britain is done here in the UK," he told The Telegraph.

London Bridge terror attack: how the world reacted

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"So when they go there, they are already converts to the cause. However, there are still lots of madrassas in Pakistan that will encourage people to go to fight. So young British-Pakistanis may still choose to go there for inspiration, if not actual tactical instruction.

"It is about the ideological side rather than the military side. It is easy for them to go there too as they have relatives out there, whereas if they head to Iraq or Syria they may attract attention from the security services."

Mr Alam cited the example of the Lal Masjid mosque in the heart of the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, which was the scene of a bloody siege in 2007 when a resident cleric led heavily-armed al-Qaeda gunmen in a fight with security forces that left nearly 100 children, soldiers and militants dead.


Despite the bloody confrontation, the cleric, Maulana Abdul Aziz, has continued to preach at the mosque after the collapse of cases brought against him the Pakistani courts, which have often been cowed by militant pressure.

In 2014, he named a library at one of the mosque's seminaries after Osama Bin Laden, and in December of that year he openly declared his support for the Islamic State.

"While Pakistan has won the tactical and military battle against extremism, they are losing the ideological battle," Mr Alam added. "Not only is extremism still there, it is still flourishing, and unfortunately you cannot simply arrest a million people."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...rch-restaurant-owned-relatives-london-bridge/

 

[CHI RULES]

Look at the conflicting view: one Muslim says "should have arrested ANjem Choudhry"


and another says:


so Anjem choudhry is "Expressing his views peacefully".. should he or shoudnt he be arrested?
in a secular democratic country, not voting is an option, but to say to people who want to vote - to not vote - because of religious reasons, thats like breaking the fabric of the country - right?

there would have been an outrage if he would be arrested - look at one of the messages below - should a muslim be arrested just because he is peacefully expressing his views?

The indiscriminate killing has brought destruction in first in Muslim countries and now in Europe.


more conflicting views:
dont kill radical muslims that would anger them more to come back against you


kill them without proper legal recourse:





this conflicting views is what is leading to a paralysis of action.
my 2 cents.

All salafi muslims are like that, these ones just carried out what is in their minds 24/7 365, and that is, killing kuffars. That is literally the only thing these people think about, they read that sahih al bukhari crap daily and keep braying 24/7 to get their chance to act out.

It must also be tough for salafi muslims in western countries, everywhere they look, haram, all the women who don't wear hoods on their heads are 'whores', people drink, eat pork. They should all leave the west and go settle in saudi arabia or join isis, that's where they'll be happy.

Please do check your language Sir, calling Sahih Bukhari a crap, u should mind your langauge pls at public forum. Sahih Bokhari is guiding book for Muslims from all sects. Moreover the people involved in terrorist acts are mostly Khawarijis who do not follow Hadees or judicial laws made by Caliphs.
It is utterly ignorance to mix two school of thoughts with each other. There are two types of struggles going on especially in Islamic world and generally in the world.

One is the conflict between Wahabis and Shias( totally political/sectarian in nature).

Second is the war waged by Khawarijis off course some misguided people of other sects also following them. The war of Khwarijis is against all sects of Islam and non Muslims alike.

 

[NoOne'sBoy]

I watched the documentary. I myself have seen tossers like them on the streets. Never thought they are violent though definitely sick in the head. Looks like that character from Harry Potter who has a long beard. No way in hell anyone can get laid with that look. Not getting pussy can definitely drive a man to the edge I guess.

 

[CBU-105]

Please do check your language Sir, calling Sahih Bukhari a crap, u should mind your langauge pls at public forum. Sahih Bokhari is guiding book for Muslims from all sects.

Sorry that upset your feelings but people need to start speaking up and speaking the bitter truth. Ideally it should be muslims who do so but they'll get killed in their home countries if they do. Sunni muslims know this better than anyone else but they're more interested in shouting (and worse) the shi'ite down when they point it out, and intimidating their own should anyone dare to speak the truth about saudi arabian salafi/wahabi islam. Politicians in the muslim world won't do it for political reasons.

It's a hateful, supremacist worldview where violence has divine sanction and these zombies think thek they'll go to paradise to brutalize underage girls and killing kuffars is the ticket, business class if they do it in the holy month. #salafimindset

Moreover the people involved in terrorist acts are mostly Khawarijis who do not follow Hadees or judicial laws made by Caliphs.

-The wahabi/salafi are literalists, there is no room for interpretation, no morals to be learnt... when they read "no mercy for kuffars.." or something, it means no mercy for kuffars.

It is utterly ignorance to mix two school of thoughts with each other. There are two types of struggles going on especially in Islamic world and generally in the world.

One is the conflict between Wahabis and Shias( totally political/sectarian in nature).

Second is the war waged by Khawarijis off course some misguided people of other sects also following them. The war of Khwarijis is against all sects of Islam and non Muslims alike.

what is this "khwarij" but not deflection.

"khwarij" were 7th century terrorists, these new guys are 21st century iphone terrorists.

"khwarij" is just another "nothing to do with Islam" like slogan, what word you use to describe the literalists means little.

There is a problem in Islam, but I'm not saying all muslims are like that, just pointing out the real cause of all this terror, let's have a real conversation about it, there is very little nuance in the fake mainstream media discourse where they're all about cringy slogans.

 

[Clutch]

semantics, but I can play along.

Khwarij were in the 7th century.

These guys are your modern day wahabis/salafi, islamic supremacists essentially.

It's like a grasshopper to locust transformation when they suddenly snap, it is latent within all of them, waiting for a chance to come out, but the mindset is the same.

Semantics on your part... but I can try to educate Internet educated yet not affiliated like yourself...

Its like this ... you have Hindutvas and their derivative the RSS the extremists Hindutva... the RSS type are prone to raping and lynching just like the ISIS type however it does not mean the all Hindutvas are prone to raping in and lynching although they may share the same sort of regressive doctrine.

Likewise, yet, isis and al qaeeda (remember those guys) are derivative of wahabbisism and salafism (both are almost the same)... but to say all of you are wahabis therefore you are Isis is incorrect... just like if you are Hindutva therefore you are RSS Hindutva may be an exaggeration