Population growth not slowing down

[Saiful Islam]

Some people here like to portray rosy picture. I'm sure I heard this Maulana Tarek Monower saying not have any kinds of birth control. Present govt had put many people to places, but this guy seems to be out of leash. This guy's personal life should be checked and banned from future propagation if he is doing something extra. This guy also wants 100% Muslim people in the country through conversion. That I find a nationalistic tone. Later these people can be put something to hotchpotch of things, not related to any old beliefs.

The problem is, when you mix culture and religion ideas become extremely dangerous and bad for society. If we studied the religion properly we would know that Islam usually deals with things in a pragmatic manner. Don't be a child bearer if you're not financially stable, can't bear more than one wife? Don't marry more.

Maulana Shafi of Hathazari talks about women not being able to attend college because of certain fears, these are actually societal issues deeply ingrained in Bangladeshi society. None of the issues stem from Islam, certainly not rape & certainly not sex before marriage. I'm not one to preach, but people in this day & age are humping everyone like Donkeys. I believe it's widespread in countries like BD than some western countries where liberal values are actually deemed sensible. In fact some western countries conform the values of Islam better than Muslim or majority Muslim states.

 

[bluesky]

Some people here like to portray rosy picture.

@Homo Sapiens is the one who regularly distorts history and now the religion. In today's world, it is possible that many Mullahs also follow the rule of nature because his faith cannot feed his overcrowded house with many children. So, they have changed their position vis-a-vis birth control, but it is not directed in the religion.

It is not true that any religion that started 1500, 2000 or 3000 years ago, when the world was very very very under-underpopulated, would come out with a birth control formula. @Homo Sapiens is a novice in distorting history as well as religion.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

@Homo Sapiens is the one who regularly distorts history and now the religion. In today's world, it is possible that many Mullahs also follow the rule of nature that his faith cannot feed his overcrowded house with many children. So, they have changed their position vis-a-vis birth control, but it is not directed in the religion.

It is not true that any religion that started 1500, 2000 or 3000 years ago, when the world was very very very under-underpopulated, would come out with a birth control formula. @Homo Sapiens is a novice in distorting history as well as religion.

Care to explain where I distorted history ?

 

[bluesky]

Care to explain where I distorted history ?

Do not you really remember? I have pointed them whenever that happened. I do not want to replicate them here. Just one example: the Chakma people, whereby you and your disciple @Bilal9 were criticizing me profoundly for pointing out your distortions about the Chakma people's past demography in CHT. You guys are really xenophobic, Muslim style.

 

[TopCat]

Some people here like to portray rosy picture. I'm sure I heard this Maulana Tarek Monower saying not have any kinds of birth control. Present govt had put many people to places, but this guy seems to be out of leash. This guy's personal life should be checked and banned from future propagation if he is doing something extra. This guy also wants 100% Muslim people in the country through conversion. That I find a nationalistic tone. Later these people can be put something to hotchpotch of things, not related to any old beliefs.

He is a Islamic preacher and its his job to multiply Muslims and covert the entire world. He gets paid for it.
The preacher will do his and the politicians and scientist will do theirs. At the end there will be a balanced society.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

It is not true that any religion that started 1500, 2000 or 3000 years ago, when the world was very very very under-underpopulated, would come out with a birth control formula. @Homo Sapiens is a novice in distorting history as well as religion.

Are you stupid or what ? Why religion should come out with birth control formula ? Even in today's world, some countries are desperately trying to raise birth rate. Look at Europe or Japan. Why Islam or any other religion should come with a topics which is not applicable for all societies or all ages? Religion is about Mankind's relation with God, it is not a business about selling birth control materials. But what is remarkable about Islam is that, it did not encourage or discourage birth control. Which make it possible for Muslim societies to practice birth control without worrying about violating the Islamic teaching. This is very different to what is doing Roman Catholic Church. Their active opposition to contraceptive and abortion is responsible for population explosion in Philippines, East Timor and many countries in Africa where they hold a firm grip over the societies. On the other hand Muslims have no such conundrum. Iran has the fastest declining fertility rate in the world, and they have done it with the direct encouragement of their Mullah lead govt. Do you this is possible under any other religious theocratic regime other than Islam?

Do not you really remember? I have pointed them whenever that happened. I do not want to replicate them here. Just one example: the Chakma people, whereby you and your disciple @Bilal9 were criticizing me profoundly for pointing out your distortions about the Chakma people's past demography in CHT. You guys are really xenophobic, Muslim style.

I did not distort anything about Chakma. This is your delusion and inability to accept the truth overcoming your prejudice. You said, Bengalis were almost totally absent before Ziaur Rahman sponsored rehabilitation program, on the other hand I pointed out with credible reference that, Bengalis were already a big community before Ziaur Rahman, and his program only hasten the already ongoing trend. You said Chakmas are endogenous to CHT and Bengalis are illegal settlers, but I pointed out Chakmas were migrant to CHT from Arakan and a small Chittagonian Bengali community were present in CHT even before Chakma and other tribal migration. If you think these are distortion than nobody can fight with your delusion.

 

[bluesky]

I did not distort anything about Chakma. This is your delusion and inability to accept the truth overcoming your prejudice. You said, Bengalis were almost totally absent before Ziaur Rahman sponsored rehabilitation program, on the other hand I pointed out with credible reference that, Bengalis were already a big community before Ziaur Rahman, and his program only hasten the already ongoing trend.

As usual, you are distorting my statement. Bengalis were only less than 2% only in 1872. Read the excerpt below on the 1872 demography of Paharis in the CHT. Now, your 2% population has risen to how much? Just note how fast the overbreeding Bengali Muslims have engulfed the entire CHT?
The entire world is not enough for them.

Excerpt:
"The present ethnic composition of the CHT is strikingly different from what it had been around a century earlier. In 1872, the CHT population was almost entirely Pahari (98 percent). In comparison, the non-Pahari (mostly Bengali) accounted for a minuscule minority (2 percent)".

"Even up to 1951-56, the various Pahari groups together accounted for 90 percent of the CHT population, with Bengalis comprising most of the remainder. However, by 1991, the share of all the Hill peoples declined drastically to around half (51.4 percent) of the CHT population. Correlatively, the share of Bengalis rose dramatically from around 9 percent in 1951-56 to 48.5 percent in 1991 (2004, p.11)".

 

[Homo Sapiens]

As usual, you are distorting my statement. Bengalis were only less than 2% only in 1872. Read the excerpt below on the 1872 demography of Paharis in the CHT. Now, your 2% population has risen to how much? Just note how fast the overbreeding Bengali Muslims have engulfed the entire CHT?
The entire world is not enough for them.

Excerpt:
"The present ethnic composition of the CHT is strikingly different from what it had been around a century earlier. In 1872, the CHT population was almost entirely Pahari (98 percent). In comparison, the non-Pahari (mostly Bengali) accounted for a minuscule minority (2 percent)".

"Even up to 1951-56, the various Pahari groups together accounted for 90 percent of the CHT population, with Bengalis comprising most of the remainder. However, by 1991, the share of all the Hill peoples declined drastically to around half (51.4 percent) of the CHT population. Correlatively, the share of Bengalis rose dramatically from around 9 percent in 1951-56 to 48.5 percent in 1991 (2004, p.11)".

Talk about 1978, not 1872. In 1978, Bengalis were already 23 percent population of CHT, even if Zia did nothing it still would have climbed rapidly in subsequent decades. We can not go distant past and say 'look they were not there'. If you go back 1606 AD, you would not find even a single White American in the land currently under United States. Now Whites are majority among 329 million people in US. World history changes rapidly. CHT was lightly populated, it was only natural that people from neighboring districts will migrate there. Whatever Bengali migration happened in CHT it was done under same country. It was not an ''invasion'' what some vested groups want to portray it.

 

[TopCat]

Talk about 1978, not 1872. In 1978, Bengalis were already 23 percent population of CHT, even if Zia did nothing it still would have climbed rapidly in subsequent decades. We can not go distant past and say 'look they were not there'. If you go back 1606 AD, you would not find even a single White American in the land currently under United States. Now Whites are majority among 329 million people in US. World history changes rapidly. CHT was lightly populated, it was only natural that people from neighboring districts will migrate there. Whatever Bengali migration happened in CHT it was done under same country. It was not an ''invasion'' what some vested groups want to portray it.

As far as I could remember, there was a treaty with Mughol ruler to not to settle Bengalis in CHT. It was honored by brits and later Pakistan. From this treaty it is understood that the CHT tribes were always under pressure from Bengalis.
And same country logic should not be applied here as there is a real danger of CHT people will loose their identity as well as ethnicity if the trend continues.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

As far as I could remember, there was a treaty with Mughol ruler to not to settle Bengalis in CHT. It was honored by brits and later Pakistan. From this treaty it is understood that the CHT tribes were always under pressure from Bengalis.
And same country logic should not be applied here as there is a real danger of CHT people will loose their identity as well as ethnicity if the trend continues.

In this ages, we can not create any exclusive ethnic zone prohibited for other people. Just because, people from other culture, religion or ethnicity may live as your neighbor, so you may loose your identity. Do you realize how much xenophobic it is? Tribal culture or any other culture do not need any sort of 'protection' from other people. If we go by this 'prohibition' or 'protection' logic then where it will end? Do Afrikaner white South African should have their exclusive ethnic zone in South Africa so that they can protect their identity and culture from the vast majority Black African? Should all the ethnic minority in the world ghettoize themselves in certain exclusive zones to protect themselves from the outside mixing? So we can not perpetuate backdated British policy in Bangladesh. What we need is toleration from all sides, not segregation. All the tribal people are welcome to live any part of Bangladesh, similarly any Bangladeshi have a right to live in CHT irrespective of his ethnic identity. Creating ethnic ghetto in unitary Bangladesh is a big No.

 

[TopCat]

In this ages, we can not create any exclusive ethnic zone prohibited for other people. Just because, people from other culture, religion or ethnicity may live as your neighbor, so you may loose your identity. Do you realize how much xenophobic it is? Tribal culture or any other culture do not need any sort of 'protection' from other people. If we go by this 'prohibition' or 'protection' logic then where it will end? Do Afrikaner white South African should have their exclusive ethnic zone in South Africa so that they can protect their identity and culture from the vast majority Black African? Should all the ethnic minority in the world ghettoize themselves in certain exclusive zones to protect themselves from the outside mixing? So we can not perpetuate backdated British policy in Bangladesh. What we need is toleration from all sides, not segregation.

When certain group need protection then we got to give it to them. It was done in USA, Australia and even in India.
Its not about asking people not to migrate but not to hand out Khas land to the settlers. If you protect most of the forest then the tribes are safe. Its not segregation.

 

[bluesky]

Talk about 1978, not 1872. In 1978, Bengalis were already 23 percent population of CHT, even if Zia did nothing it still would have climbed rapidly in subsequent decades. We can not go distant past and say 'look they were not there'. If you go back 1606 AD, you would not find even a single White American in the land currently under United States. Now Whites are majority among 329 million people in US. World history changes rapidly. CHT was lightly populated, it was only natural that people from neighboring districts will migrate there. Whatever Bengali migration happened in CHT it was done under same country. It was not an ''invasion'' what some vested groups want to portray it.

Bloody girlie nature of a stupid!! Why do you flee from your assumption/distortion that Bengalis were already in the CHT in HUGE number when Ziaur Rahman only hastened the flow? Bengalis were 2% there in only 1872 and in 1975-80 Ziaur Rahman made it about 50% within a tenure of only five years of his Presidency. Now, these Noakhailla parasites are breeding like rats and soon will be about 90% or more.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

When certain group need protection then we got to give it to them. It was done in USA, Australia and even in India.
Its not about asking people not to migrate but not to hand out Khas land to the settlers. If you protect most of the forest then the tribes are safe. Its not segregation.

Protection against whom? Man need protection from ferocious animal, not from other people.

If there is an economic opportunity then people will migrate. It is difficult to restrain migration even between two different countries if there is an economic incentive for that, and even more difficult if it happen within the same country.

It is govt.'s job to decide which Khas land to be distributed and which should be protected. And in this distribution, there should not be any prohibition upon it's citizen based on ethnic origin. Do we want Khas land in CHT should be only distributed among the tribals, but not among the Bengalis?

As far as I know, most of the forest in CHT is already protected under law.

 

[namefield_empty]

even in India.

I wholeheartedly agree, special provisions have to be provided for the ethnic minorities to safeguard the unique way of life and traditions. It's a tried and tested, and a very successful model of governance to placate their grievances and in time, to mainstream those who feel alienated. Assam has been very successful in that respect, as are some other states in India.

Btw, has something concrete come out of the long-standing demand of your CHT tribes to grant them provincial autonomy?

Bloody girlie nature of a stupid!! Why do you flee from your assumption/distortion that Bengalis were already in the CHT in HUGE number when Ziaur Rahman only hastened the flow? Bengalis were 2% there in only 1872 and in 1975-80 Ziaur Rahman made it about 50% within a tenure of only five years of his Presidency. Now, these Noakhailla parasites are breeding like rats and soon will be about 90% or more.

To my knowledge too, this is true.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Bloody girlie nature of a stupid!! Why do you flee from your assumption/distortion that Bengalis were already in the CHT in HUGE number when Ziaur Rahman only hastened the flow? Bengalis were 2% there in only 1872 and in 1975-80 Ziaur Rahman made it about 50% within a tenure of only five years of his Presidency

Where did I ''flee'' from my claim that Bengalis were already in a huge number before Zia? Is not 23 percent a huge number? Or do you want to say, from 1872 to 1978, it remained static at 2 percent? Then suddenly jumped into 50% within 5 years of Ziaur Rahman? What is the proof? Show me any proof that it suddenly jumped from 2% to 50%?

Now, these Noakhailla parasites are breeding like rats and soon will be about 90% or more.

Why your bloody a*s burn if ''Noakhailla'' become 90% by natural procreation? Are you a Chakma separatists exiled in Japan? Do you wish in your mind to implement 'final solution' upon ''Noakhailla'' to cleans your Jummaland from untermensch Noakhailla's presence?