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[Panther 57]

Absolutely right! it did not happen in one day; the preparation took much time and in one night the ships were moved from one place to the other. The transfer in one night was made possible because of the large number of soldiers and horses involved in it

And adversaries, did not know what is happening. Then they certainly deserved to be defeated.

 

[Anotherangle]

And adversaries, did not know what is happening. Then they certainly deserved to be defeated.

..yes, for one thing new ideas (or unconventional things) are difficult to understand especially when they are emerging, and second, secrecy was always valued and practiced in Islamic warfare; we cannot rule out that Sultan Fateh team were quite successful in hiding their real intention.

 

[Panther 57]

..yes, for one thing new ideas (or unconventional things) are difficult to understand especially when they are emerging, and second, secrecy was always valued and practiced in Islamic warfare; we cannot rule out that Sultan Fateh team were quite successful in hiding their real intention.

Unless the whole route, tarrain and surrounding activities are re-evaluated, it is difficult to say how and what actually happened. As regard Islamic warefare is concerned. I would not term all those as Islamic wars. Islamic wars are never commercially driven, nor does Islam advocate conversions through invasion. All those invasions, may be muslim invasions but not Islamic wars. All those adventures took place purely for commercial games or for power.

 

[Anotherangle]

Unless the whole route, tarrain and surrounding activities are re-evaluated, it is difficult to say how and what actually happened. As regard Islamic warefare is concerned. I would not term all those as Islamic wars. Islamic wars are never commercially driven, nor does Islam advocate conversions through invasion. All those invasions, may be muslim invasions but not Islamic wars. All those adventures took place purely for commercial games or for power.

You may be right in general; Istanbul (war) has been mentioned in hadith, so it is/was Islamic war

 

[Panther 57]

You may be right in general; Istanbul (war) has been mentioned in hadith, so it is/was Islamic war

How do you know that it was the same war, there can one one later in life. So when it comes to predictions by Holy Prophet PBUH, we assume or presume correlation a particular incident and not sure.
Lets analyse the Hadith

Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “Verily, Constantinople shall be conquered, its commander shall be the best commander ever and his army shall be the best army ever.”

He has no where indicated that it will be an Islamic war, he did praise commander and his army.

I will like to share some excerpts found during my study.

Muhammad Al-Fateh was the Conqueror of Constantinople. Constantinople is a city connecting the Mediterranean with the Black Sea, and Asia with Europe. It was considered the best global trade center in the medieval ages. About it, Napoleon said: “If the world was one kingdom, there would be no better city befitting to be its capital than Constantinople.” Because of its strategic location and the hadith of Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam), Muslims tried to conquer the city for over 800 years, through 10 attempts. The first was by Othman Bin Affan (radi Allahu anhu), the second and third by Moawiya Bin Abi Sufiyan, the fourth by Sulaiman Bin Abdul-Malik and the fifth by Harun Al-Rashid. There were several other attempts, until Muhammad Al-Fateh conquered it.

 

[Zarvan]

How do you know that it was the same war, there can one one later in life. So when it comes to predictions by Holy Prophet PBUH, we assume or presume correlation a particular incident and not sure.
Lets analyse the Hadith


He has no where indicated that it will be an Islamic war, he did praise commander and his army.

I will like to share some excerpts found during my study.

Mr when he is mentioning war and calling the soldiers and ameer best that means they are blessed and for whom HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW say they are blessed than they are definitely going to Jannah and this war is Islamic Mr
HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW never appreciate un islamic wars Mr

 

[Zarvan]

Unless the whole route, tarrain and surrounding activities are re-evaluated, it is difficult to say how and what actually happened. As regard Islamic warefare is concerned. I would not term all those as Islamic wars. Islamic wars are never commercially driven, nor does Islam advocate conversions through invasion. All those invasions, may be muslim invasions but not Islamic wars. All those adventures took place purely for commercial games or for power.

Mr Islamic wars even in time of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW has commercial aspect too Mr remember war booties they Mr Islam has a whole system Mr it include every thing from economy to military to politics to social life to trade

 

[Panther 57]

Mr when he is mentioning war and calling the soldiers and ameer best that means they are blessed and for whom HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW say they are blessed than they are definitely going to Jannah and this war is Islamic Mr
HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW never appreciate un islamic wars Mr

This article does not support your stand on Islamic war. It is a prediction by Holy Prophet before Dajjal. Where does it say that it is obligatory on Muslims and Islamic countries to wage wars. It does indicate that we should guard against such tendencies and save ourselves from being among those who were condemned.

It also has got no bearing towards the comments which I posted. He has never did praise the capability of commander and the army, but did not state that they are blessed or they waged an Islamic war. Moreover, even if so was the case then what is the guarantee that it was the same war of Constantinople which has been predicted. Our problem is that we interpret the predictions based on our wishes or the first incident we come across. Which may be an incorrect interpretation.

Mr Islamic wars even in time of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW has commercial aspect too Mr remember war booties they Mr Islam has a whole system Mr it include every thing from economy to military to politics to social life to trade

Again an out of context referral to this article. It has nothing to do with Islamic wars. Pakistan and India are two rivalries and are preparing to fight each other since their inception. It is obligatory on us to remain prepared for any aggression from Indian side. As per our religious belief, we will indulge in Jihad, as Jihad has different categories of, this one is for defence of our homeland. However, such war will not be an islamic war.

 

[Zarvan]

This article does not support your stand on Islamic war. It is a prediction by Holy Prophet before Dajjal. Where does it say that it is obligatory on Muslims and Islamic countries to wage wars. It does indicate that we should guard against such tendencies and save ourselves from being among those who were condemned.

It also has got no bearing towards the comments which I posted. He has never did praise the capability of commander and the army, but did not state that they are blessed or they waged an Islamic war. Moreover, even if so was the case then what is the guarantee that it was the same war of Constantinople which has been predicted. Our problem is that we interpret the predictions based on our wishes or the first incident we come across. Which may be an incorrect interpretation.


Again an out of context referral to this article. It has nothing to do with Islamic wars. Pakistan and India are two rivalries and are preparing to fight each other since their inception. It is obligatory on us to remain prepared for any aggression from Indian side. As per our religious belief, we will indulge in Jihad, as Jihad has different categories of, this one is for defence of our homeland. However, such war will not be an islamic war.

Mr when he is mentioning something he is not wasting time to Mr he is saying something so Muslims will follow them Mr and they have to follow them first understand how arabic language works Mr even to say thanks to ALLAH we say ALHAMDULILLAH that doesn't mean Thanks ALLAH that means ALL praise is to ALLAH Mr when he blesses some one he bless them for Islamic work or good deed Mr not for something else Mr every war if a Muslim fight to defend its land or property is an Islamic War Mr Islam war is not to fight something in air Mr Islamic war is to defend Muslims their properties their areas and their lands that is Islamic war Mr

 

[Panther 57]

Mr when he is mentioning something he is not wasting time to Mr he is saying something so Muslims will follow them Mr and they have to follow them first understand how arabic language works Mr even to say thanks to ALLAH we say ALHAMDULILLAH that doesn't mean Thanks ALLAH that means ALL praise is to ALLAH Mr when he blesses some one he bless them for Islamic work or good deed Mr not for something else Mr every war if a Muslim fight to defend its land or property is an Islamic War Mr Islam war is not to fight something in air Mr Islamic war is to defend Muslims their properties their areas and their lands that is Islamic war Mr

Such misconceptions are spoiling image of Islam. You mentioned correctly that war to defend its land and property is a Jihad, but it is not an Islamic war. Islamic wars only in the times of Holy Prophet and now it will be when it will be fought by Imam Mehdi against Dajjal. You and me may try any twist of war, it will not be Islamic war.

 

[Zarvan]

Such misconceptions are spoiling image of Islam. You mentioned correctly that war to defend its land and property is a Jihad, but it is not an Islamic war. Islamic wars only in the times of Holy Prophet and now it will be when it will be fought by Imam Mehdi against Dajjal. You and me may try any twist of war, it will not be Islamic war.

Mr Jihad is Islamic War Mr every Jihad is Islamic war Mr weather fought in time of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW or fought after his life time is Islamic War Mr Islamic war is called Jihad Bis Saif Mr their is no term as Islamic War Mr

 

[Panther 57]

Mr Jihad is Islamic War Mr every Jihad is Islamic war Mr weather fought in time of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW or fought after his life time is Islamic War Mr Islamic war is called Jihad Bis Saif Mr their is no term as Islamic War Mr

No point arguing as you are hell bent upon impressing your point of view without any concrete logic or evidence. Ciao

 

[Zarvan]

No point arguing as you are hell bent upon impressing your point of view without any concrete logic or evidence. Ciao

Mr prove me wrong through Quran and Sunnah Mr I am allergic to other things and please before commenting read Quran and Tafseer and Hadees and Seerat in detail and you will also find out that their is no such term known as Islamic war its only Jihad Bis Saif or Qatal

 

[Zarvan]

 

[Zarvan]