PN's First Since World War-2

[Windjammer]

INS Khukri was an old Type 14 ASW (Anti-submarine Warfare) frigate in the Indian Navy. It was sunk by a Pakistan Navy new French Daphne class submarine PNS Hangor at 2000hrs on 8 December 1971 during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, off the coast of Diu, Gujarat, India. This was one of 2 submarine kills since World War II (the other was in 1982), and remains India's biggest wartime casualty.


Incident

After commencement of hostilities on 3rd December 1971, Indian Naval radio detection equipment identified a submarine lurking in the vicinity of Diu harbour about 35 miles south-west of the port of Diu.

The 14 Squadron of the Western Fleet, Khukri along with sister ships, Kirpan and Kuthar (all named after types of knives), were dispatched on a Hunter-Killer mission to destroy the submarine. There exists some controversy as to why these old ship were sent on the mission instead of newer boats, because the sonar range of these boats was half of that of the newer submarine.

Khurki was the slower of the ships because she was testing a improved version of its 170/174 sonar, which required a slow speed to increase detection. This was to be its undoing.

The submarine sighted the Squadron on the evening of 8th December. It fired two homing torpedoes on a sonar approach (it being night), one of which missed Kirpan at 1957hrs. The second torpedo directed to Khukri struck under its magazine, and the ship sank within two minutes, according to the Pakistani submarine captain, Commander (later Vice Admiral) Ahmed Tasnim. [1]

Casualties
Over 18 officers and 176 sailors were lost in the sinking. The Captain of the ship, Mahendra Nath Mulla, opted to go down with the sinking ship. For this he was posthumously awarded India's second-highest military honour, the Maha Vir Chakra.

StateMaster - Encyclopedia: INS Khukri

 

[Myth_buster_1]

brother this has been discussed already.

 

[Areesh]

Now that's an achievement.

 

[hal-fgfa]

Now that's an achievement.

read the full story

In the western theatre of the war, the Indian Navy, under the command of Vice Admiral Kohli, achieved success by attacking Karachi's port in the code-named Operation Trident on the night of 4-5 December, which resulted in the sinking of the Pakistani destroyer PNS Khyber and a minesweeper PNS Muhafiz; PNS Shajehan was badly damaged. This resulted in tactical Indian success with Pakistan losing 720 sailors killed and wounded apart from losing reserve fuel and many commercial ships, thus crippling the Pakistan Navy's further involvement in the conflict. Operation Python followed Operation Trident which was on the night of 8-9 December, in which Indian rocket-armed motor torpedo boats attacked the Karachi Roads that resulted in further destruction of reserve fuel tanks, as well as the sinking of three Pakistani commercial ships in Karachi Harbour.
In the eastern theatre of the war, the Indian Eastern Naval Command, under Vice Admiral Krishnan, completely isolated East Pakistan by establishing a naval blockade in the Bay of Bengal, trapping the Eastern Pakistani Navy as well as eight foreign merchant ships in their ports. From 4 December onwards, the aircraft carrier INS Vikrant was deployed in which its Sea Hawk fighter-bombers attacked many coastal towns in East Pakistan including Chittagong and Cox's Bazaar. Pakistan responded by sending the submarine PNS Ghazi to negate the threat. Indian Eastern Naval Command laid a trap to sink the submarine and Indian Navy destroyer INS Rajput sank Pakistani submarine PNS Ghazi through depth charges off Vishakapatnam's coast reducing Pakistan's control of Bangladeshi coastline. But on 9 December, the Indian Navy suffered its biggest wartime loss when the Pakistani submarine PNS Hangor sank the frigate INS Khukri in the Arabian Sea resulting in a loss of 18 officers and 176 sailors.
The damage inflicted on the Pakistani Navy stood at 7 gunboats, 1 minesweeper, 1 submarine, 2 destroyers, 3 patrol crafts belonging to the coast guard, 18 cargo, supply and communication vessels, and large scale damage inflicted on the naval base and docks in the coastal town of Karachi. Three merchant navy ships; Anwar Baksh, Pasni and Madhumathi; and ten smaller vessels were captured. Around 1900 personnel were lost, while 1413 servicemen were captured by Indian forces in Dhaka. According to one Pakistan scholar, Tariq Ali, the Pakistan Navy lost a third of its force in the war

Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

if this was achievement so i have no problem

 

[gowthamraj]

^ man, tham is unnecessary here, the thread is for that particular incident. . Otherwise it will became a flame war

 

[Windjammer]

read the full story

In the western theatre of the war, the Indian Navy, under the command of Vice Admiral Kohli, achieved success by attacking Karachi's port in the code-named Operation Trident on the night of 4-5 December, which resulted in the sinking of the Pakistani destroyer PNS Khyber and a minesweeper PNS Muhafiz; PNS Shajehan was badly damaged. This resulted in tactical Indian success with Pakistan losing 720 sailors killed and wounded apart from losing reserve fuel and many commercial ships, thus crippling the Pakistan Navy's further involvement in the conflict. Operation Python followed Operation Trident which was on the night of 8-9 December, in which Indian rocket-armed motor torpedo boats attacked the Karachi Roads that resulted in further destruction of reserve fuel tanks, as well as the sinking of three Pakistani commercial ships in Karachi Harbour.
In the eastern theatre of the war, the Indian Eastern Naval Command, under Vice Admiral Krishnan, completely isolated East Pakistan by establishing a naval blockade in the Bay of Bengal, trapping the Eastern Pakistani Navy as well as eight foreign merchant ships in their ports. From 4 December onwards, the aircraft carrier INS Vikrant was deployed in which its Sea Hawk fighter-bombers attacked many coastal towns in East Pakistan including Chittagong and Cox's Bazaar. Pakistan responded by sending the submarine PNS Ghazi to negate the threat. Indian Eastern Naval Command laid a trap to sink the submarine and Indian Navy destroyer INS Rajput sank Pakistani submarine PNS Ghazi through depth charges off Vishakapatnam's coast reducing Pakistan's control of Bangladeshi coastline. But on 9 December, the Indian Navy suffered its biggest wartime loss when the Pakistani submarine PNS Hangor sank the frigate INS Khukri in the Arabian Sea resulting in a loss of 18 officers and 176 sailors.
The damage inflicted on the Pakistani Navy stood at 7 gunboats, 1 minesweeper, 1 submarine, 2 destroyers, 3 patrol crafts belonging to the coast guard, 18 cargo, supply and communication vessels, and large scale damage inflicted on the naval base and docks in the coastal town of Karachi. Three merchant navy ships; Anwar Baksh, Pasni and Madhumathi; and ten smaller vessels were captured. Around 1900 personnel were lost, while 1413 servicemen were captured by Indian forces in Dhaka. According to one Pakistan scholar, Tariq Ali, the Pakistan Navy lost a third of its force in the war

Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

if this was achievement so i have no problem

Albeit the topic was in reference to a first incident since the Second World War but i guess being stupid doesn't help.

 

[Areesh]

Albeit the topic was in reference to a first incident since the Second World War but i guess being stupid doesn't help.

Well he needs something to sleep tight.

 

[ice_man]

ok coming back to the topic of first submarine kill since World War & not a measuring contest!

the second submarine kill was in the falkland war! its a big thing that since world war 2 only 2 active war kills have been achieved by subs!

Falklands War. The Argentine cruiser General Belgrano was sunk by HMS Conqueror (the first sinking by a nuclear-powered submarine in war).

 

[Mogambo]

INS Khukri was an old Type 14 ASW (Anti-submarine Warfare) frigate in the Indian Navy. It was sunk by a Pakistan Navy new French Daphne class submarine PNS Hangor at 2000hrs on 8 December 1971 during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, off the coast of Diu, Gujarat, India. This was one of 2 submarine kills since World War II (the other was in 1982), and remains India's biggest wartime casualty.


Incident

After commencement of hostilities on 3rd December 1971, Indian Naval radio detection equipment identified a submarine lurking in the vicinity of Diu harbour about 35 miles south-west of the port of Diu.

The 14 Squadron of the Western Fleet, Khukri along with sister ships, Kirpan and Kuthar (all named after types of knives), were dispatched on a Hunter-Killer mission to destroy the submarine. There exists some controversy as to why these old ship were sent on the mission instead of newer boats, because the sonar range of these boats was half of that of the newer submarine.

Khurki was the slower of the ships because she was testing a improved version of its 170/174 sonar, which required a slow speed to increase detection. This was to be its undoing.

The submarine sighted the Squadron on the evening of 8th December. It fired two homing torpedoes on a sonar approach (it being night), one of which missed Kirpan at 1957hrs. The second torpedo directed to Khukri struck under its magazine, and the ship sank within two minutes, according to the Pakistani submarine captain, Commander (later Vice Admiral) Ahmed Tasnim. [1]

Casualties
Over 18 officers and 176 sailors were lost in the sinking. The Captain of the ship, Mahendra Nath Mulla, opted to go down with the sinking ship. For this he was posthumously awarded India's second-highest military honour, the Maha Vir Chakra.

StateMaster - Encyclopedia: INS Khukri

Why are u posting old articles again and again???

Propaganda busted

In India destroyed PNS Ghazi in 1971 war thread

"Windjammer" has said In those fateful days, neither side possessed any real ASW capability hence it would have been impossible to track the Submarine. In all probability it was destroyed by one of it's own mines.




Link of the "Windjammer" statement

http://www.defence.pk/forums/854544-post8.html


Windjammer plz choose ur argument u can't eat the cake and have it too. Why make fun of ur self.

 

[Mogambo]

There are many fundamental faults in Windjammer' claim

1. Before World war -2 there was nothing called pakistan in the world, so everything you do is your first.

2. Indian navy destroyed pakistani navy's submarine "Ghazi" so you EVEN can't claim it as first after world war - 2 by ANY navy.

3. In your own post in PNS Gaazi thread u have said that PN and IN don't posses ASW capacities at those times so ur claim got busted. Choose what you want to say ur fist claim was wrong or this claim is wrong.

 

[Windjammer]

Why are u posting old articles again and again???

Propaganda busted

Make your self worthy and prove that i have even once posted such an article since joining the forum. Incompetent fail.

In India destroyed PNS Ghazi in 1971 war thread

"Windjammer" has said In those fateful days, neither side possessed any real ASW capability hence it would have been impossible to track the Submarine. In all probability it was destroyed by one of it's own mines.




Link of the "Windjammer" statement

http://www.defence.pk/forums/854544-post8.html


Windjammer plz choose ur argument u can't eat the cake and have it too. Why make fun of ur self.

Pathetic attempt to give credit to your big find, seems you are oblivious to any knowledge regarding Naval warfare. Do you even know the difference between ASW and a submarine hunting a surface vessel. Seems you have choked on your slice of cake.

 

[Windjammer]

There are many fundamental faults in Windjammer' claim

Damn, we have you to enlighten us.

1. Before World war -2 there was nothing called pakistan in the world, so everything you do is your first.

A good dose of crash course in English wouldn't go a miss, read again, i said after the second world war, no country in the world managed to destroy a ship using a submarine, you know what that means.

2. Indian navy destroyed pakistani navy's submarine "Ghazi" so you EVEN can't claim it as first after world war - 2 by ANY navy.

Seems you are also oblivious with any history, it's not my claim rather it's a fact of history, besides there is no credibility in the Indian claim.

3. In your own post in PNS Gaazi thread u have said that PN and IN don't posses ASW capacities at those times so ur claim got busted. Choose what you want to say ur fist claim was wrong or this claim is wrong.

Spoon feed time, ASW stands for Anti Submarine Warfare, meaning to hunt and destroy Submarines, and in the case of Khukri, it was a Submarine which destroyed a ship. Can you comprehend the difference. Try to understand the psyche of a subject before touching the reply button.

 

[My-Analogous]

Why are u posting old articles again and again???

Propaganda busted

In India destroyed PNS Ghazi in 1971 war thread

"Windjammer" has said In those fateful days, neither side possessed any real ASW capability hence it would have been impossible to track the Submarine. In all probability it was destroyed by one of it's own mines.





Link of the "Windjammer" statement

http://www.defence.pk/forums/854544-post8.html


Windjammer plz choose ur argument u can't eat the cake and have it too. Why make fun of ur self.

Give me prove and please no more wikipedia because even 10 year old child can change the content.

 

[Icarus]

@Mogambo

Its ok to argue but show some respect, Windjammer is a respected senior member of the Forum. I have seen your comments in the "Eunuchs can defend India Thread" as well, and you seem to be trying to ridicule Windjammer.

 

[Mogambo]

@Mogambo

Its ok to argue but show some respect, Windjammer is a respected senior member of the Forum. I have seen your comments in the "Eunuchs can defend India Thread" as well, and you seem to be trying to ridicule Windjammer.

sir,

its not like that at all. but a senior member should also behave like one. But u will see old articles reposted and fake threads created just to flame.

If u still feels there is my fault I apologizes for that.