PN Marines vying for Military Assault Boats (MAB)

[Fawad alam]

I was wondering why we need to buy these small boats with TOT? we should design and build our own boats in this level.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Me too. I see TOT being done on a number of projects but then after that no further units are produced after the initial production run.

Case in point the Agosta 90B program, the F22p program, Let us see how it goes with Azmat FAC and the STM Tanker program.

 

[PAR 5]

may the first boat in linked PDF file
http://www.technomarine.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/TechnoMarine-Military-Units.pdf

Nope. That is too small a platform and mainly designed for riverines. I have not seen any Military Assault Boat made by TechnoMarine and used by any Navy around the world.

In such cases, we should really try to low-ball the OEM into very competitive pricing plus true turnkey ToT with rights to the original design IP (so that we can learn and build upon it in the subsequent years).

I am not sure that NHQ is equipped with such a negotiations capacity as they move on requirements on urgency basis. For example, in this 14 MABs tender, they want to make 6 boats in Pakistan and buy 8 boats CBU from the OEM. Techno Marine has offered 14 MABs for US$12.5M. That comes to around US$900,000 per boat. That is quite a ridiculous price per boat considering the range, weight capacity and armoring required on it alone. So I am not sure how and what PN is going to get when there exists no MAB ever made by the Polish manufacturer

I always wonder that we have a shipyard that churns out cargo vessels and other stuff but we cant even design and manufacture quality riverine craft inshore patrol boats of quality and substance.

Look at the size of the facility of the Polish Manufacturer and look at the size of KSEW and the number of people working there. It is sorry state of affairs.

Unfortunately, KS&EW lacks modern designing capacity of new vessels. They are dependent wholly on manufacturing under supervision of foreign representatives

 

[araz]

Nope. That is too small a platform and mainly designed for riverines. I have not seen any Military Assault Boat made by TechnoMarine and used by any Navy around the world.



I am not sure that NHQ is equipped with such a negotiations capacity as they move on requirements on urgency basis. For example, in this 14 MABs tender, they want to make 6 boats in Pakistan and buy 8 boats CBU from the OEM. Techno Marine has offered 14 MABs for US$12.5M. That comes to around US$900,000 per boat. That is quite a ridiculous price per boat considering the range, weight capacity and armoring required on it alone. So I am not sure how and what PN is going to get when there exists no MAB ever made by the Polish manufacturer



Unfortunately, KS&EW lacks modern designing capacity of new vessels. They are dependent wholly on manufacturing under supervision of foreign representatives

Thank you for your valuable input. Is it not time for KSEW to take this vital step? However, I also note serious infrastructural deficiencies in other requirements such as appropriate steel/composite plates etc. Could you elaborate a bit more on this subject.
Kind regards
A

 

[PAR 5]

Thank you for your valuable input. Is it not time for KSEW to take this vital step? However, I also note serious infrastructural deficiencies in other requirements such as appropriate steel/composite plates etc. Could you elaborate a bit more on this subject.
Kind regards
A

KS&EW is arrested by demands from Pakistan Navy. The DG KS&EW is a serving Admiral at the end of his tenure and devoid of independent thinking. R&D and Design Department requires out-of-the-box thinking, customer engagement, hiring top professionals in the field from civilian background, etc. KS&EW at this time does not have either the courage nor the inclination to set up such a capability. Jubb Pukee Pakaai Roti mill rahee ho tau apnaa Tandoor koi naheen lagaana chaahtaa

 

[araz]

KS&EW is arrested by demands from Pakistan Navy. The DG KS&EW is a serving Admiral at the end of his tenure and devoid of independent thinking. R&D and Design Department requires out-of-the-box thinking, customer engagement, hiring top professionals in the field from civilian background, etc. KS&EW at this time does not have either the courage nor the inclination to set up such a capability. Jubb Pukee Pakaai Roti mill rahee ho tau apnaa Tandoor koi naheen lagaana chaahtaa

I thought that might be the case. Haram khori at its best. However you have also not pointed to the sourcing of steel/alloy for ship building. Where is this being sourced from? Help appreciated.
A

 

[PAR 5]

I thought that might be the case. Haram khori at its best. However you have also not pointed to the sourcing of steel/alloy for ship building. Where is this being sourced from? Help appreciated.
A

As per my information, steel/alloy is mainly being imported from China.

 

[khanasifm]

PAK marines have 2 may be 3 bigger 8100 and 4-6 smaller 2000 version of these craft, the number is based on old data exact number may have increased over the years

http://www.griffonhoverwork.com/8100td

 

[PAR 5]

DP Navy last week signed the contract with a Polish Company Techno Marine for purchase 14 (30 Tons) and 4 (12 Tons) Military Assault Boats for COASTAL and CREEK areas patrolling respectively

 

[khanasifm]

?? http://www.technomarine.pl

http://www.technomarine.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/TechnoMarine-Military-Units.pdf

SOF chaser tm1226

 

[PAR 5]

?? http://www.technomarine.pl

http://www.technomarine.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/TechnoMarine-Military-Units.pdf

SOF chaser tm1226

Amazingly, the Polish manufacturer is not known for manufacturing the MILITARY ASSAULT BOAT required under these tenders. The brochures you have posted above from their website also does not show anywhere the required boat type. If it is a prototype, than the tender conditions specified that no prototypes will be acceptable. So I really do not know what the Polish have offered and how will it fulfill the stringent PN Marines tender requirements? The total project/ contract value for both boat types is around US$14 million which is quite ridiculously low price considering the simple fact that these boats have to be Bullet Proof against 7.62x39mm calibers. So I am keenly following this to see what comes out at the other end eventually

 

[Cornered Tiger]

Amazingly, the Polish manufacturer is not known for manufacturing the MILITARY ASSAULT BOAT required under these tenders. The brochures you have posted above from their website also does not show anywhere the required boat type. If it is a prototype, than the tender conditions specified that no prototypes will be acceptable. So I really do not know what the Polish have offered and how will it fulfill the stringent PN Marines tender requirements? The total project/ contract value for both boat types is around US$14 million which is quite ridiculously low price considering the simple fact that these boats have to be Bullet Proof against 7.62x39mm calibers. So I am keenly following this to see what comes out at the other end eventually

2 x 12 tons MABs produced at PN Dockyard with transfer of technology from Poland. These boats will be deployed in creek areas for patrolling.

 

[Imran Khan]

2 x 12 tons MABs produced at PN Dockyard with transfer of technology from Poland. These boats will be deployed in creek areas for patrolling.

as i know they need some 12 to 20 of these . two are nothing

 

[Cornered Tiger]

as i know they need some 12 to 20 of these . two are nothing

Yes, 2 more of the same size will be inducted, plus 14 more of 30 tons as stated by thread starter.

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How many of them procured in total? with TOT?

 

[PAR 5]

2 x 12 tons MABs produced at PN Dockyard with transfer of technology from Poland. These boats will be deployed in creek areas for patrolling.

Yes I saw those earlier. This is a totally new design and not in use with any other Navy in the world. Some how the design of the boat is a mix with a RHIB base moulded to a bulletproof cabin that has to hold 20 armed Marines. So let’s see how this radical design specific to Pakistan Navy pans out during actual operations