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Plunder, murders, and rapes by tribals in 1948 war of kashmir...truth?

Onec can expect tribals to plunder but not rape. Wazirs and Mahsuds also plundered kabul after fighting for the cause of Nadir shah, but we didnt hear about rape cases. Nowadays they are into transport and other jobs, but at that time they were providing for themeselves through warring. As they were never paid salaries, so we used to hear cases about them looting caravans , enemy camps, neighbouring tribes etc. It seems indians took advantage of this reputation of tribesmen and fabricated lies of baramulla, adding to it accounts of rapes for weight.

Indians have habit of adding/doing super exaggeration of "rapes" part in their stories and if read their other accounts you will realize that it's not limited to "Barmullah" only. So, take chill pill.
 
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Onec can expect tribals to plunder but not rape. Wazirs and Mahsuds also plundered kabul after fighting for the cause of Nadir shah, but we didnt hear about rape cases. Nowadays they are into transport and other jobs, but at that time they were providing for themeselves through warring. As they were never paid salaries, so we used to hear cases about them looting caravans , enemy camps, neighbouring tribes etc. It seems indians took advantage of this reputation of tribesmen and fabricated lies of baramulla, adding to it accounts of rapes for weight.

How come no one is talking about the plunder, murder and rapes by Indian Army?
 
I have searched about 1948 war of kashmir on internet and found that tribals are described to be indulging in loot, murders and rapes while in our text books tribals are appreciated for helping their kashmiri muslim brothers and playing main role in liberating azad kashmir. How much it true? Were tribals really involved in these atrocities?
Mainly wazirs and mehsuds from FATA joined kashmir war. I checked some books about waziristan operations by british authors and found that in the past wazirs and mehsuds used to loot merchant caravans to and from afghanistan for their living, they also used to attack neighbour pashtun tribes for plunder. British were weary of their attacks on tank and bannu. Infact first british operation against wazirs started on request of dawars, a weaker and peaceful tribe in north waziristan, they were sick of waziri attacks on them.
In ayub khan 60s times wazirs attacked bannu and expelled all bannuchis from it, they plundered bannu. Marwats and bannuchis then fought back and recovered back bannu from them and pushed them back to their hills, so i understand if tribals have looted in kashmir but rapes? Rapes is unimaginable in tribal areas and it never happens. war. I checked some books about waziristan operations by british authors and found that in the past wazirs and mehsuds used to loot merchant caravans to and from afghanistan for their living, they also used to attack neighbour pashtun tribes for plunder. British were weary of their attacks on tank and bannu. Infact first british operation against wazirs started on request of dawars, a weaker and peaceful tribe in north waziristan, they were sick of waziri attacks on them.
In ayub khan 60s times wazirs attacked bannu and expelled all bannuchis from it, they plundered bannu. Marwats and bannuchis then fought back and recovered back bannu from them and pushed them back to their hills, so i understand if tribals have looted in kashmir but rapes? Rapes is unimaginable in tribal areas and it never happens.

Who said rapes don't happen in tribal societies? It just don't get reported.

And they did all that on their way to Kashmir, in fact that actually slowed down their movement and IA got the time to reach there on time to protect the capital from falling after the king of Kashmir signed the papers to join India. :)

How come no one is talking about the plunder, murder and rapes by Indian Army?

Because this is military history & strategy section, please open a thread in members' club if you want to discuss fiction. :-)
 
Who said rapes don't happen in tribal societies? It just don't get reported.

And they did all that on their way to Kashmir, in fact that actually slowed down their movement and IA got the time to reach there on time to protect the capital from falling after the king of Kashmir signed the papers to join India. :)
NO. You are trying to spin the situtation which is not easy.
 
It is a sin to rape Non Muslim in Islam and one who commit this act from Tribal lashkar was trialed by their Emir. I am Proud on my beloved Tribes.

Huh ?

Does this imply that for a follower of Islam its not a sin to rape a Muslim ?

I would expect it to be a sin to rape - religion of the victim notwithstanding.

What happened to the accused after they were ' trailed' & any Idea who their Emir was ?
 
NO. You are trying to spin the situtation which is not easy.

It is as straight as a fulltoss, I don't need to spin the facts.

Wow denial. So Pushtun are evil, your Army are angels?

Pushtuns are ragtag force, our army is professional, they don't start looting & raping in taimur, chenghis or babur style ignoring their mission.
 
Huh ?

Does this imply that for a follower of Islam its not a sin to rape a Muslim ?

I would expect it to be a sin to rape - religion of the victim notwithstanding.

What happened to the accused after they were ' trailed' & any Idea who their Emir was ?
In islam It is an immediate death penalty for rapist. There are many Emirs but who took trail was belong from afridi tribe . RIP poor nun :(
 
It is as straight as a fulltoss, I don't need to spin the facts.



Pushtuns are ragtag force, our army is professional, they don't start looting & raping in taimur, chenghis or babur style ignoring their mission.
What ever... Tribes are our proud we will remain thankful for this Holy cause . :pakistan:
 
In islam It is an immediate death penalty for rapist. There are many Emirs but who took trail was belong from afridi tribe . RIP poor nun :(

Make up your mind, in your last post the sin was only if Non Muslims were raped.

The Emir must have a name or a link to the fact that a trail was conducted ?
 
Make up your mind, in your last post the sin was only if Non Muslims were raped.

The Emir must have a name or a link to the fact that a trail was conducted ?
Not at all.I was pointed to Non muslims because the victims were non muslims. Why are you so curious about Emir's name?
 
Nice only 1 or 2 rape cases. The way you are throwing the numbers, may be you might very well know the date, names of the victims as well. I am sure the victims would have been Hindus. How can a Muslim loot, kill or rape another Muslim? right?? The ones who are indulging in those acts as of today are anyways declared non muslims by the likes of you. Isn't it correct?

Also, why loot only Hindus for food and shelter. Didn't Muslims had food and shelter? As if tribals would have really cared!! They were uncultured savages and did what they were good at doing i.e. loot and rape irrespective of the religion of the victims.

Yup, just like the Indians of modern day Bharat.
 
Not at all.I was pointed to Non muslims because the victims were non muslims. Why are you so curious about Emir's name?

Because it appears to me that you are fibbing.

Post a link to the claim of trail.
 
In islam It is an immediate death penalty for rapist. There are many Emirs but who took trail was belong from afridi tribe . RIP poor nun :(

But then it is extremely hard to prove rape if we go Islamic way. Finding 4 male witness who witnessed the rape, and are willing to support your claim, is next to impossible.

Yup, just like the Indians of modern day Bharat.
Are you from the tribal belt? It looks like going by the way you behave.
 
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