PIA New Delhi office receives closure notice

[Viking 63]

No problem they like to f*** around, simple solution, BAN their flight over Pakistan going westward !!! and then enjoy all their airlines go out of business one by one...

 

[Umair Nawaz]

here this will help you...

The Afghan officials pointed out
that huge amount of Pakistani
goods were transported through
Afghanistan to Central Asian
countries every day. Transit trade
between the two countries is
governed by the Afghan-Pakistan
Transit Trade Agreement that
came into force in June 2011. The
pact, brokered by the US, allows
Afghan trucks to carry goods up
to the Wagah border crossing.
However, Afghan trucks are
barred from carrying Indian
exports on their return journey
from Wagah, he added.
Pakistan recently refused to
allow Afghanistan to transport its
goods up to the Wagah border
with India claiming this was not
permitted under the bilateral
transit trade pact
Afghanistan warns Pakistan over Wagah border access | Pakistan Today

Dont expect this stupid transit agreement to with stand since it was brokered by the Americans themselves, while we know how are the relations b/w Afghanistan-Pakistan-India. In this agreement the Afghan trucks can come all the way to lahore! which is total unjust since Even Chinese trucks have to dump their cargo in the Pak China border and from there the pakistani trucks carry the cargo all the way down to the ports. Now about the Pakistan exported goods are concern i think the more realistic route will be from China to CARS not Afghanistan route since Afghanistan's security is worst and there is no real hope of its improvement in short to medium run. So the best feasible route is the Chinese one ignoring Afghanistan route since it can give access to much larger part of CARs including Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Russia and even with East Asian countries like Koreas, Hong Kong, Japan, Taiwan etc..
Pakistan can even use the Tibetan route to access all the way up to Myanmar, Thailand and other ASEAN countries. This route will bypass any indian territory and will be much much more beneficial to Pakistan in the long run then any indian or indian influenced route.
With Afghanistan we can have access to only Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

How so?

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dear i think you student of internaiola relation right ..
can you thow some light on internatioal treaty and covetion if any for such ban.. and precedents with geopolitical implication in new liberal world .. ?

Thread was opened by your Indian brother!


Star Alliance is not Indian owned...I am a frequent flyer of that and they exchange planes all the time...1 min you are in Luftansa the next they can swap it with any other airways...So Air India will need to let all its traffic go to other partners and concentrate on going Eastwards

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true.. but its not that simple.. they will not join alliance to cut their profit and stake....
its exactly oppostie as taking advatgae of synegery.. ?
is PIA instar alliance if yes why if no why...
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yes indian routes have more imp disetination in west ergion aak gulf europe and usa....
but there is alwyas way out if you close airspace..
AIr india can take hits aka GOI but can GOP take hit for PIA for long? if india reciprocate ban all flight via pakistan..?
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as world is still not open all airspace but airline got way out. they wil figutr out this too if you ban ...
Ukraine Joins North Korea as No-Fly Airspace Trouble Spot - Bloomberg
International aviation authorities close Ukraine airspace after Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 ‘shot down’
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PIA is dfrrent issue and air space close is difrrent

 

[imiakhtar]

can you legaly do t as per international norm and rules?

Pakistan can do whatever she likes with her own airspace.

same works both ways. All PIA flights to south east will have to take a much larger detour.

PIA has less than 5 flights that require transit of Indian FIRs and none of them are daily.

All EU, North America and some Mid-East Air India flights require transit through either Karachi or Lahore FIR sectors.

Should India's politicians continue to play games, Pakistan should ban all VT-XXXX registered aircraft from transiting Pakistani airspace.

This would hurt India a lot more than Pakistan and the detours required for Europe and North America would cost Air India millions in just the space of a month.

 

[karan.1970]

PIA has less than 5 flights that require transit of Indian FIRs and none of them are daily.

All EU, North America and some Mid-East Air India flights require transit through either Karachi or Lahore FIR sectors.

Should India's politicians continue to play games, Pakistan should ban all VT-XXXX registered aircraft from transiting Pakistani airspace.

This would hurt India a lot more than Pakistan and the detours required for Europe and North America would cost Air India millions in just the space of a month.

That's the problem with incomplete analysis. Just see what percentage are these flights of the total flights of PIA. Also compare the size of India vs Pakistan and hence the amount of detour that the respective flights have to take if India is closed for Pakistani flights and vice versa. Also remember that its only flights from Delhi airport that need to fly over Pakistan. International flights from Bangalore, Hyderabad, Mumbai, Chennai etc all bypass Pakistan anyway. On the other hand, irrespective of where the flight takes off from in Pakistan, if its going to Nepal, HongKong, BD or south east asia, it needs to go over India.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Pakistan can do whatever she likes with her own airspace.



PIA has less than 5 flights that require transit of Indian FIRs and none of them are daily.

All EU, North America and some Mid-East Air India flights require transit through either Karachi or Lahore FIR sectors.

Should India's politicians continue to play games, Pakistan should ban all VT-XXXX registered aircraft from transiting Pakistani airspace.

This would hurt India a lot more than Pakistan and the detours required for Europe and North America would cost Air India millions in just the space of a month.

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no dear.. there must be some rules to folloow.. its not that simple

 

[kurup]

Lot of Pakistanis crying and whining in this thread .....

 

[Soumitra]

That's the problem with incomplete analysis. Just see what percentage are these flights of the total flights of PIA. Also compare the size of India vs Pakistan and hence the amount of detour that the respective flights have to take if India is closed for Pakistani flights and vice versa. Also remember that its only flights from Delhi airport that need to fly over Pakistan. International flights from Bangalore, Hyderabad, Mumbai, Chennai etc all bypass Pakistan anyway. On the other hand, irrespective of where the flight takes off from in Pakistan, if its going to Nepal, HongKong, BD or south east asia, it needs to go over India.

You may have to close your flights to bangkok, Dhaka, KL, Beijing etc if India closes its airspace

1 The fuel cost will be high which will hit your bottom line

2 To recover higher fuel cost if you increase fares then you will be uncompetitive. People will prefer to fly to dubai and then take flight to these destinations

3 There will be huge increase in time of flight by going around India.

 

[salarsikander]

Time to ban airspace for all Indian airlines.

Or shoot down anything that flies from INDIA

 

[Umair Nawaz]

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dear i think you student of internaiola relation right ..
can you thow some light on internatioal treaty and covetion if any for such ban.. and precedents with geopolitical implication in new liberal world .. ?

nt

Dear i have long stopped giving my opinions here and my professional services in the matters relating to indian government and nation. Thank You.

But the reason why i asked this question is to know what u feel is right and wrong.


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''Pakistan through nefarious tactics put Indian Airlines in a condition to stop flights to Pakistan. As such, till such time that IA/AI (Indian Airlines/ Air India) starts operating flights to Pakistan and requires to purchase property in Pakistan, the proposal may not be allowed on strict protocol of reciprocity.” - See more at: MHA wants ED to take over PIA assets | The Indian Express

@Dem!god @Lord Zen @mr. nair @karan.1970 and other indian......? The real reason has just came out now!
Its not rules of the country to be followed but its tit for tat policy. If u want Air India to purchase the property in Pakistan then she should follow Pakistan's Laws as well. I dont think its too much to ask.

 

[Lord ZeN]

Dear i have long stopped giving my opinions here and my professional services in the matters relating to indian government and nation. Thank You.

But the reason why i asked this question is to know what u feel is right and wron''Pakistan through nefarious tactics put Indian Airlines in a condition to stop flights to Pakistan. As such, till such time that IA/AI (Indian Airlines/ Air India) starts operating flights to Pakistan and requires to purchase property in Pakistan, the proposal may not be allowed on strict protocol of reciprocity.” - See more at: MHA wants ED to take over PIA assets | The Indian Express

@Dem!god @Lord Zen @mr. nair @karan.1970 and other indian......? The real reason has just came out now!
Its not rules of the country to be followed but its tit for tat policy. If u want Air India to purchase the property in Pakistan then she should follow Pakistan's Laws as well. I dont think its too much to ask.

Is Air India operating in Pakistan ?
I don't think it's a tit for tat policy... But if relation with India gets hostile we may revoke certain privileges given to Pakistan & it's subsidiaries. We are just strictly following our rules which we never did earlier in order to prevent a diplomatic row with GoP.

 

[karan.1970]

Dear i have long stopped giving my opinions here and my professional services in the matters relating to indian government and nation. Thank You.

But the reason why i asked this question is to know what u feel is right and wrong.


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''Pakistan through nefarious tactics put Indian Airlines in a condition to stop flights to Pakistan. As such, till such time that IA/AI (Indian Airlines/ Air India) starts operating flights to Pakistan and requires to purchase property in Pakistan, the proposal may not be allowed on strict protocol of reciprocity.” - See more at: MHA wants ED to take over PIA assets | The Indian Express

@Dem!god @Lord Zen @mr. nair @karan.1970 and other indian......? The real reason has just came out now!
Its not rules of the country to be followed but its tit for tat policy. If u want Air India to purchase the property in Pakistan then she should follow Pakistan's Laws as well. I dont think its too much to ask.

Comprehension is such an issue with you guys.. Let me bullet it out for you

1. First of all, about the rules. The rules are as follows as per the article quoted by you. In this case PIA violated the rules and did not take prior permission. So the assets need to be disposed off..

According to the May 1977 agreement between PIA and RBI, the Pakistan airline would require prior permission of the RBI to acquire immovable property. The Foreign Exchange Management Act also requires companies registered in Pakistan to take prior permission of RBI to purchase immovable assets. In this case, PIA informed RBI after purchase of the property in June 2005

2. Secondly, if PIA wants that approval, it will be based on RBI's discretion which will depend on whether Air India gets a similar playing field in Pakistan.


I mean, c'mon you guys.. Try and understand the article before you start jumping around.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Dear i have long stopped giving my opinions here and my professional services in the matters relating to indian government and nation. Thank You.

But the reason why i asked this question is to know what u feel is right and wrong.


.......................................................................


''Pakistan through nefarious tactics put Indian Airlines in a condition to stop flights to Pakistan. As such, till such time that IA/AI (Indian Airlines/ Air India) starts operating flights to Pakistan and requires to purchase property in Pakistan, the proposal may not be allowed on strict protocol of reciprocity.” - See more at: MHA wants ED to take over PIA assets | The Indian Express

@Dem!god @Lord Zen @mr. nair @karan.1970 and other indian......? The real reason has just came out now!
Its not rules of the country to be followed but its tit for tat policy. If u want Air India to purchase the property in Pakistan then she should follow Pakistan's Laws as well. I dont think its too much to ask.

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Thanks but no thnks for your services..
indian forign policy is with right minds and doing right action ..
better give your services to GOP .. its g8 skill to have petrol pump lock down when international price is all time .. may be historic low for next few decades.. what a forgin policy .. Wow
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issue
1. you are on wrong side of law.. as per agreement of May 1977 agreement between PIA and RBIof india..
so they took action 9 yr late .. read full article not bit and piece

2. Law of reciprocay in internatil diplomacy..
as you know diplomacy is all about understading and unwrtten words
as you suggested ... and point out discripancy yourslef.. .... india should have done it before .. if not now.
there is no free lunch.. give and take .. simple..
as example given below .. we go extra mile .. so you too.. no free lunch to USA.. then forget about pakistan ...
this is call forign policy... a policy...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/28/w...employee-retaliation.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
India retaliates, Delhi Police remove barricades from outside US embassy - The Times of India
India asks US embassy not to screen movies at American centre - The Times of India
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Reciprocity (international relations) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Reciprocity (international relations)
In international relations and treaties, the principle of reciprocity states that favours, benefits, or penalties that are granted by one state to the citizens or legal entities of another, should be returned in kind.

For example, reciprocity has been used in the reduction of tariffs, the grant of copyrights to foreign authors, the mutual recognition and enforcement of judgments, and the relaxation of travel restrictions and visa requirements.

The principle of reciprocity also governs agreements on extradition.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

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Thanks but no thnks for your services..
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i just gave my answer to the question or opinion u asked. Rest of my post was not for u but for those who were saying that they could have not been following rules and its reported . RBI was informed when they had opened the office. The issue is not abt rules as reported the source from which i have quoted a paragraph but its yr own tit for tat response since yr own airlines here was punished to have not followed the rules so if they have taken that to their heart and left the country then its not my countrymen's fault nor is of GOP nor PIA.

Is Air India operating in Pakistan ?
I don't think it's a tit for tat policy... But if relation with India gets hostile we may revoke certain privileges given to Pakistan & it's subsidiaries. We are just strictly following our rules which we never did earlier in order to prevent a diplomatic row with GoP.

as mentioned in this article they are not . There were no privileges involved in this case.

Comprehension is such an issue with you guys.. Let me bullet it out for you

1. First of all, about the rules. The rules are as follows as per the article quoted by you. In this case PIA violated the rules and did not take prior permission. So the assets need to be disposed off..



2. Secondly, if PIA wants that approval, it will be based on RBI's discretion which will depend on whether Air India gets a similar playing field in Pakistan.


I mean, c'mon you guys.. Try and understand the article before you start jumping around.

Yr airlines and nations get the privileges as reported in this forum time and again. I could have said this for new members but yr a member of this forum whose even senior to me!

So if u want us to give u a level playing field then abide our rules as well. And if we ask u to do so then plese do that and dont take it to yr heart and terminate yr operations (air india) by saying that we are using nefarious tactics to ban yr airlines and do a tit for tat.

 

[SrNair]

just ban indian flights over Pakistan.Most westward flights pass over Pakistan

You cant do anything in international air route .And we can manage to avoid Pak airspace

what is the result of wars from 6th Generation to 72th ?

Creation of a new nation as BD.